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[Eli Parker]

Aiyie wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

It depends on how close you are with them and who is around. If it's just you two and you are close then why not?

we pulled into lamad, italy once... i was getting hammered at some local bar and our skipper came by.  had a few shots with us (very cool of him, since normally enlisted and officers do NOT mingle... hell, surface ships had specific hallways on the ship where enlisted guys weren't even allowed to walk without permission).

still wasn't stupid enough to ever give him the impression i thought we were on the same level.  that sort of thing comes back to haunt you.

What I had was alot of higher ups that had a high ego, and anybody below them were dirt (there were a few ppl I liked, but that was far and inbetween).

we had a few of them, usually recent annapolis grads, or ironically enough, former enlisted guys.

the first batch usually learned whats what quickly enough (both my skippers were fairly tough on baby-faced officers and would put them in their place pretty quick)... the second group though.  well, it usually took them royally boning things up for them to figure out that just because they didn't wear a blue shirt anymore, they weren't gods among men.

I had both commissioned/Non-commissioned officers that were power hungry, and I was stuck in the unit until I got out. 

[dezpinato]

yes and no

[AtreiyaN7]

I have a friend who's a Ranger, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't do the nickname thing with a CO. However, this is not the real military. I think the Normandy situation is a unique one and that Shepard's functioned outside the norms of most Alliance military for a while now. Maybe he/she is somewhat more lax about rules and regulations for the most part at this point. Also, haven't Shepard and Vega been hanging out for a while together on Earth while Shepard was under house arrest? If they have a pre-existing friendship (of sorts), maybe it's not that big a deal.

Besides, if you feel like maintaining strict formality and discipline, you can tell him to quit it like others have pointed out. I was amused by his nickname, but I'm not in the military.

[humes spork]

I'm not in the military, but I know enough about military protocol to understand the game and the circumstances it presents are to be taken with a grain of salt considering Shepard can greet and address the in-universe equivalent of a five-star while dressed like a streetwalker.

Modifié par humes spork, 07 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[kegNeggs]

I was on good terms with my CO, never would've dared.

[Legion is Skynet]

Aiyie wrote...

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Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

At least with Star Trek they go out of their way to say that Starfleet isn't really like the military. Or they did in the beginning; they've been steadily militarizing Starfleet since Roddenberry died.

Yeah, but I don't think Star Fleet has an enlisted force AT ALL. They take every one of their Senior Officers on the away missions and leave some Ensign captaining the ship. In terms of "military authenticity", most fiction doesn't get it right, but Mass Effect is (I think) a bit more accurate than Star Trek. And that's... that's really saying something.

the only sc-fi that comes even remotely close to portraying a believable military was the BSG remake they did a few years ago.

and even then alot of it was pretty out there.  course it was a little understandable considering the setting and all.

True. Also Starship Troopers (the book, not the damned movie) did a very good job of portraying general life inside the military, even if the customs and courtesies were a bit out there.

[AnuzaGray]

There is always a mixture in the military of officers and noncoms that are willing to mingle with enlisted personnel and those who have their heads so far up their ass they think that they're god.

It isn't incredibly uncommon for COs to have tight bonds with officers and higher noncoms (think E7s and up).

[GarethJShep]

my father was and so was my grandfather.

[adam32867]

always makes me think of the transvstite from the song Lola

[tybbiesniffer]

Aiyie wrote...

hell, surface ships had specific hallways on the ship where enlisted guys weren't even allowed to walk without permission.

I snuck through those hallways more than once.  I never called the CO anything other than "Sir", though.  We used to address the officers we stood watch with on the bridge as "Mr. (whatever)" but that's about as informal as I ever got.

[sky99cap]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

I don't really mind, as I don't watch stuff like that to get authenticity (it's not Band of Brothers or anything). In fact, I was quite amused when the Captain in the new Star Trek movie made a damned cadet the First Officer, and then STILL sent him on a dangerous mission.

"Sir, there are other... well, anybody else, really. Literally ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SHIP outranks suspended cadet Kirk here. Do we, I mean, do we just not care about chain of command anymore, or something? Did I miss a brief? Also, how do we not have Space Marines to deal with these combat missions? We're in the future, how are Space Marines not a thing?"

Weren't there Marines in ME1?

[iamthedave3]

In fairness to Vega and the Lola thing, there's a backstory to it related to a woman he served under. Bit of a ballbreaker apparently.

However, he still shouldn't have said it. Shep's not his friend, she's his superior officer and entitled to the respect and professionalism that goes with it.

But that said, the army - unless Hackett's involved - is mostly portrayed as a 'band of brothers' sort of affair like it is in the movies. So fair enough. I find the Alliance military boring anyway so it doesn't matter. I kick all the human members off my team ASAP. The only human I ever brought regularly was Zaeed. Love that guy.

Oh, not in the service. Just wanted to clear up the 'Lola' thing. It's not meant to 'mean' something like 'Loco' is.

Modifié par iamthedave3, 07 avril 2012 - 08:49 .

[lockdown51]

I'd never call a CO anything but sir or their rank, but we used to call our butter bar LT "Pens" informally. That man always had a million billion pens on him and he would give them away if anyone happened to not have a pen on them that day.

[The Angry One]

Personally I think the imminent collapse of all civilisation might make people feel that the regs are relaxed somewhat.
Just saying.

[Smiley556]

Sergeant (medical) here. And I would, among other things. That said though, im in the dutch military, we are very informal compared to other countries (which usually got the brits an US pissed at us in kandahar...).

[Corrupt Feces]

I chided that cretin vociferously, and told him to go probe himself.

[Legion is Skynet]

Smiley556 wrote...

Sergeant (medical) here. And I would, among other things. That said though, im in the dutch military, we are very informal compared to other countries (which usually got the brits an US pissed at us in kandahar...).

I've worked with the Dutch military doing training before. They were a solid bunch. Much respect.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

The Angry One wrote...

Personally I think the imminent collapse of all civilisation might make people feel that the regs are relaxed somewhat.
Just saying.

 
Usually in critical times regs are strengthened, not relaxed. At least as far as military goes. Which makes a lot of sense.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 07 avril 2012 - 08:53 .

[AnuzaGray]

It's also shown that Vega doesn't really give a rat's ass about regs, but gets away with it because he's probably in the top .1% of soldiers/marines.

[Archontor]

I'm not in the military so I just don't care, and frankly the obsession military forum goers show with protocol in a fictional universe with a fictional force is a tad annoying at times.

[Legion is Skynet]

sky99cap wrote...

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

I don't really mind, as I don't watch stuff like that to get authenticity (it's not Band of Brothers or anything). In fact, I was quite amused when the Captain in the new Star Trek movie made a damned cadet the First Officer, and then STILL sent him on a dangerous mission.

"Sir, there are other... well, anybody else, really. Literally ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SHIP outranks suspended cadet Kirk here. Do we, I mean, do we just not care about chain of command anymore, or something? Did I miss a brief? Also, how do we not have Space Marines to deal with these combat missions? We're in the future, how are Space Marines not a thing?"

Weren't there Marines in ME1?

That was a tangent on the Star Trek thing. I believe Ashley is a Space Marine.

[sky99cap]

What about saluting a teleconference image?

[The Angry One]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Personally I think the imminent collapse of all civilisation might make people feel that the regs are relaxed somewhat.
Just saying.

 
Usually in critical times regs are strengthened, not relaxed. At least as far as military goes. Which makes a lot of sense.

True, but I'm talking on a personal level for someone like Vega.
I mean, what is Shepard going to do? Put him in the stockade?

And to be fair he only keeps calling Shep that with their approval.

Modifié par The Angry One, 07 avril 2012 - 08:57 .

[Orthodox Infidel]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

sky99cap wrote...

Weren't there Marines in ME1?

That was a tangent on the Star Trek thing. I believe Ashley is a Space Marine.

Yeah... Technically, Kaidan is too, since he's now called "Major" and that's supposed to be a Marine rank equal to "Captain" yet he calls Shepard his superior officer and Shepard is only a "Commander" which would make some sense in reality but "Commander" is a rank that doesn't technically exist in the Alliance according to the original codex entries.

Somebody, somewhere, retconned something. >__<

[fearan1]

I have served 15 years in the Army and no this would not be said in public. However in game my shep leads by Charisma not rank and is not too military anymore I thought all the saluting out of place anyone one think Shep would not have went through Hackett and Anderson if he had to lol .

As a side note in real world army allot of Special forces are more tight knot and nick names could stick in a small team such as the Normandy.