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[Subguy614]

US Navy here. Simply, no. The CO was always refered to by "Captain", "Skipper", or his military rank ( ie Commander) even in social settings.

[Legion is Skynet]

GBJ13 wrote...

Yeah, the opening sequence did make me chuckle. "What our plan?" "Fight or die!" Man, they totally missed that brilliant plan at the War College. 

Oh come on, I thought it was nuanced. He succinctly covered both the "fighting" and "potentially dying" part of the plan. It's that type of brilliant, ballsy strategery that elevates empires...

[Orthodox Infidel]

sky99cap wrote...

So, Shepard's a "Staff Commander?"

Maybe, but that wouldn't explain how he's considered a superior officer to "Major Alenko," who was explictly referred to as "Staff Commander Alenko" in ME2. Unless the explanation is that they made a mistake retconned the Alliance ranks to match the modern US military.

Before people say it: Yes, I'm aware that Kaidan could be following Shepard's orders on the Normandy because Shepard is the Normandy's CO, but that doesn't explain why both Joker and Kaidan himself have dialog clearly indicating that Shepard outranks Kaidan.

[Zertz]

One on one/among a TIGHT group (Its just you and Vega, with Mr. Cortez potentially in earshot depending on how loud you speak) one Special Forces soldier to another? Maybe.

Vega seems like the kind of guy who gets away with a lot of this stuff, and probably has more than a few conduct sheet entries for boys will be boys offences, but is extraodinairely proficient so half the time he gets a pass.

Shepard, more often than not, is portrayed as a Bunny-Eared-Lawyer type of mildly military figure - unless you pick certain Renegade themed responses.

My 2 cents from a Canadian Army perspective is that this sort of relationship is POSSIBLE, but pretty unlikely. But hey, you're trying to stop an ancient race of clthulu-esque machines from wiping you all out - that seems kind of unlikely as well.

[Aiyie]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

sky99cap wrote...

So, Shepard's a "Staff Commander?"

Maybe, but that wouldn't explain how he's considered a superior officer to "Major Alenko," who was explictly referred to as "Staff Commander Alenko" in ME2. Unless the explanation is that they made a mistake retconned the Alliance ranks to match the modern US military.

Before people say it: Yes, I'm aware that Kaidan could be following Shepard's orders on the Normandy because Shepard is the Normandy's CO, but that doesn't explain why both Joker and Kaidan himself have dialog clearly indicating that Shepard outranks Kaidan.

at least in the US Navy there's something called "positional authority"

it basically means that, regardless of your rank, if the position you're in gives you authority over something, everyone else has to obey it, no matter their rank.

i.e. a 3rd class petty officer is standing watch on the quarterdeck.  he can refuse to let an admiral aboard if he has good reason to.

[sky99cap]

I guess they couldn't promote Shepard after the song came out.

[SeanThen1]

No. It would have been completely unacceptable where I served.

[RHINOK 9]

Marine Corps 2007-2011. A lot of things in this game bug the shiv out of me.
The fact that cerberus troops(indoctrinated civilians) hold their smgs properly and shepard doesn't. The saluting alternating from the right hand to the left hand. YOU NEVER SALUTE WITH YOUR LEFT. This makes me want to ffffffffffffuuuuuuuu. Femshep also salutes with her thumb tucked in her palm, another no-no. Combat rolls? *tactical facepalm*

I'll have to play through again to nitpick more but, yeah more stuff irks you after you've served.....

[jstme]

sky99cap wrote...

jstme wrote...

Who knows, maybe Alliance military does not work the same way. Soldiers are required to call their superiors by nicknames to keep their real name secret.
Anyway, this is added for character flavour in science fiction game. "Vega = rebel without a cause" type of thing.

You mean like not saluting officers in the field, for fear snipers would pick them off?

Ya, I can see that, "Hey, Loco where did you want me to go again?"   That would fool those crazy husks.

But this fine tradition (loco=CO) was born during Turian wars. No sane Turian (hey,centurion. cool) would acknowledge that there is a possibility of treating superiors in that manner.
Saved lots of good officers. Life expectancy for senior officers jumped from 3 minutes in combat to wooping 6 minutes.
Junior officers got few extra seconds of life too.
Good times,good times.
Off course husks eat the brains with disgusting disregard to whether its fromer owner was puny rank and file or it is superior quality of officer material.
But i heard that we are building some super secret weapon that would solve this war in matter of few red/green/blue seconds so this is the reason Alliance military academy did not advise to change the "senior loco/lola" strategy.  
True story,by the way.

Modifié par jstme, 07 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[Joel2211]

Yeah been in the Navy for going on 8 years in August and that would never happen, I have had really down to earth CO's in my squadron VFA 211 but not to the point where I would have a nickname for them nor would anyone else. Now other pilots and WSO's I would joke with them and we would make fun of each other and over seas go out drinking but not with the CO.

[sky99cap]

You aredales had all the cool nicknames.

Some how "Slow and steady" just didn't cut it.

[Barbarossa2010]

As a former CO, there is plenty of room for informality as long as it's spread evenly and there is zero room for anyone to interpret favoritism into it. Professionalism must be maintained or the command environment becomes problematic. Environmental dependent really; and the level of informality is certainly subjective. Good command judgement rules of course. Vega was over the line. If something like that happens in private, there's a bit of wiggle room; once someone else witnesses it, it's a problem.

It's just best to not have those sorts of relationships in any command environment. Don't get me started on the whole LI thing--let's just say my suspension of disbelief is forced into high gear.

Never felt the need for subordinates to be my friend, but I would consider many of them as such.

BTW, all vets make sure to visit and support those in my sig. Thank you all for your service in whatever nation you were born to.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 07 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[delldo]

I currently serve and consider myself close to my CO and we always throw around playful banter at one another, however, when it comes down to business and we are performing our duties it is all military baring all the way. I think it is like this with most units, we are brothers and sisters serving the same cause, we all know where the line is and know when not to cross it.

[Costin_Razvan]

Before people say it: Yes, I'm aware that Kaidan could be following Shepard's orders on the Normandy because Shepard is the Normandy's CO, but that doesn't explain why both Joker and Kaidan himself have dialog clearly indicating that Shepard outranks Kaidan.

Shepard's a Spectre, Thus he/she outranks even admirals.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Aiyie wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

sky99cap wrote...

So, Shepard's a "Staff Commander?"

Maybe, but that wouldn't explain how he's considered a superior officer to "Major Alenko," who was explictly referred to as "Staff Commander Alenko" in ME2. Unless the explanation is that they made a mistake retconned the Alliance ranks to match the modern US military.

Before people say it: Yes, I'm aware that Kaidan could be following Shepard's orders on the Normandy because Shepard is the Normandy's CO, but that doesn't explain why both Joker and Kaidan himself have dialog clearly indicating that Shepard outranks Kaidan.

at least in the US Navy there's something called "positional authority"

it basically means that, regardless of your rank, if the position you're in gives you authority over something, everyone else has to obey it, no matter their rank.

i.e. a 3rd class petty officer is standing watch on the quarterdeck.  he can refuse to let an admiral aboard if he has good reason to.

Problem with this is that Kaidan talks to Shepard as if he's outranked in the beginning if you import (I don't remember if he said "sir" or not, I'd have to check again), and Joker has a line about "pointing a gun at a superior officer," and both of those lines happen regardless of whether Kaidan is on the ship or not.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Before people say it: Yes, I'm aware that Kaidan could be following Shepard's orders on the Normandy because Shepard is the Normandy's CO, but that doesn't explain why both Joker and Kaidan himself have dialog clearly indicating that Shepard outranks Kaidan.

Shepard's a Spectre, Thus he/she outranks even admirals.

Most Shepards aren't a Spectre at the start of the game.

[Joel2211]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

As a former CO, there is plenty of room for informality as long as it's spread evenly and there is zero room for anyone to interpret favoritism into it. Professionalism must be maintained or the command environment becomes problematic. Environmental dependent really; and the level of informality is certainly subjective. Good command judgement rules of course. Vega was over the line. If something like that happens in private, there's a bit of wiggle room; once someone else witnesses it, it's a problem.

It's just best to not have those sorts of relationships in any command environment. Don't get me started on the whole LI thing--let's just say my suspension of disbelief is forced into high gear.

Never felt the need for subordinates to be my friend, but I would consider many of them as such.

BTW, all vets make sure to visit and support those in my sig. Thank you all for your service in whatever nation you were born to.

May I ask what command you were a CO at and branch? 

[Siggs84]

Seeing how BroShep can bang Ashley in ME1 I don't think a strict adherence to formality is common place in the Alliance Military.

And as for calling my CO Loco, well... If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

[Siggs84]

Joel2211 wrote...

Yeah been in the Navy for going on 8 years in August and that would never happen, I have had really down to earth CO's in my squadron VFA 211 but not to the point where I would have a nickname for them nor would anyone else. Now other pilots and WSO's I would joke with them and we would make fun of each other and over seas go out drinking but not with the CO.

I had a family member fly with the Checkmates off the Kitty Hawk back in the 80's.

[Barbarossa2010]

Joel2211 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

As a former CO, there is plenty of room for informality as long as it's spread evenly and there is zero room for anyone to interpret favoritism into it. Professionalism must be maintained or the command environment becomes problematic. Environmental dependent really; and the level of informality is certainly subjective. Good command judgement rules of course. Vega was over the line. If something like that happens in private, there's a bit of wiggle room; once someone else witnesses it, it's a problem.

It's just best to not have those sorts of relationships in any command environment. Don't get me started on the whole LI thing--let's just say my suspension of disbelief is forced into high gear.

Never felt the need for subordinates to be my friend, but I would consider many of them as such.

BTW, all vets make sure to visit and support those in my sig. Thank you all for your service in whatever nation you were born to.

May I ask what command you were a CO at and branch? 

U.S. Army, INF, Company Commander. 82d ABN Div.

[Joel2211]

Siggs84 wrote...

Joel2211 wrote...

Yeah been in the Navy for going on 8 years in August and that would never happen, I have had really down to earth CO's in my squadron VFA 211 but not to the point where I would have a nickname for them nor would anyone else. Now other pilots and WSO's I would joke with them and we would make fun of each other and over seas go out drinking but not with the CO.

I had a family member fly with the Checkmates off the Kitty Hawk back in the 80's.

No crap? That's awesome, I came to the squadron in 04 when they had F14s and was a maintainer on the F18 SuperHornet. 

[Evil Minion]

sky99cap wrote...

Would you have called your CO "Loco" or "Lola"? 

To their face?

I'm in the military now.

I might call my CO "Loco" if he/she was cool with it.

[VAIOMANIAC]

I called my lieutenant by her first name once a major overheard it and I was transfered out of her unit.
He tought we seemed a little too close and he was right.

Was actually gonna quit the military, anyay long story short I quit and me and this lieutenant started dating

[BARRAGE 74]

I was in a medical unit which at times can be pretty slack, but even still we weren't on first name basis with our officers.