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[Byronic-Knight]

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

I consider it closer to Starship Troopers-esque sci-fi. 

Modifié par Byronic-Knight, 07 avril 2012 - 10:55 .

[govs6360]

No but I did let Vega call my shepard Loca because my platoon use to call my gunny el pollo loco

[Giggles_Manically]

As my Grandfather (45 year veteran of the PPCLI and retired CWO) said:
"You are there to be their boss, not their friends"

Officers really should not be making friendly with grunts.
But they should be friendly with Grunt.

Since he would eat you.

[Montana]

Not a chance.
Although Vega is an officer himself, I was merely an enlisted.
Officers talk differently to eachother, at least in the Swedish army.

[MorSterling]

The CO? Never in an official setting. In a private setting if a friend yes if they earned it.

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

During WW2 it wasn't uncommon for Australian privates to call their officers by their first names.

[Barbarossa2010]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As my Grandfather (45 year veteran of the PPCLI and retired CWO) said:
"You are there to be their boss, not their friends"

Officers really should not be making friendly with grunts.
But they should be friendly with Grunt.

Since he would eat you.

Let's face it, Grunt was a special case...you know being...well...a pure Krogan and all.  Once he called me Battlemaster, I could quit the fake tough guy front.   Vega on the other hand; I bled him.

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As my Grandfather (45 year veteran of the PPCLI and retired CWO) said:
"You are there to be their boss, not their friends"

Officers really should not be making friendly with grunts.
But they should be friendly with Grunt.

Since he would eat you.

During WW2 German officers were encouraged to be friends with the men under their command.  The Germans were the most effective fighting force during the war.

[Japkap79]

Depends alot on the company commander and your sgt. we had a few Captains and LT's who wanted to be on first name basis and if we had a nick name they had heard they might call us that, and we might call them something like hey LT or hey boss to the captain but never loco or lola.

Other officers and such if you speak out of turn or dont turn and salute them at every turn they would put you on guard detail for a weekend leave period.

Modifié par Japkap79, 07 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[ryuasiu]

I wanted to serve but could not with the whole "don't ask don't tell" BS

Anyway I think its just a matter of Shepard not seeing himself as a CO as well as not letting his crew see him as a CO. They see him as a regular grunt on the ground because well...he is on the ground. If you go through and read the books its VERY strict on conduct and such. So I don't think it is an issue with the service I think it's just Shepard.

As far as him calling me Loco if I was in Shepard's shoes...as long as he didn't pull that crap off in front of an admiral or dignitaries and still addressed me as an officer no issues. The only time I really had an issue was:

1:) Ashley's BS. No I don't work for Cerberus anymore and I am now your officer. stop ******* and follow orders. Also when I first saw her I wanted to remind her she was not in accordance to military grooming standards.

2) When Joker made the comment about the Asari needing less dancers and more commandos. I normally let his **** slide because hes the best pilot in the system but I was very tempted to kick his *** off the ship for that one.

[Legion is Skynet]

RHINOK 9 wrote...

Marine Corps 2007-2011. A lot of things in this game bug the shiv out of me.
The fact that cerberus troops(indoctrinated civilians) hold their smgs properly and shepard doesn't. The saluting alternating from the right hand to the left hand. YOU NEVER SALUTE WITH YOUR LEFT. This makes me want to ffffffffffffuuuuuuuu. Femshep also salutes with her thumb tucked in her palm, another no-no. Combat rolls? *tactical facepalm*

I'll have to play through again to nitpick more but, yeah more stuff irks you after you've served.....

Marine Corps 2000-present. The saluting with the left hand thing drove me nuts too. The combat rolls... Well, I've done that quite a few times myself in a field environment, and I let my Marines do it in the field as well. Might not look professional, but it certainly helps with breathability in temperate climates. 

May I ask where you served?

[suprhomre]

Mass Effect is not realistic calling a CO for loco in real life would probably lead to some painful exercise. I guess the writers have never spend some time in the military. Not to mention the art team have never ever tried real life combat., light ball armour anyone, making noise during combat and so on. All combat involving spec ops are speed, shadow and silence. But, it's all fiction so I don't mind.

[Japkap79]

People seem to focus on all the weird little things, like the roll and the nicknames, Shepard might outrank James and such but he is a squadmate so to speak, and there is banter between privates and even towards a persons squadleader and if you get into the thick of it with your LT along for the ride there will be a certain amount of respect there but still professional when it counts (so there might be nicknames between privates and even there CO's), Shepard might hold the rank of commander but he/she is still just another person in the thick of it in the game.

If it was a game like battlefield and not like ME i might get a bit annoyed at the salutes and the rolls but ME is set in a scifi universe so there is alot of room to wiggle so too speak, in games like ME and such there is alot of banter between squadmates and crewmates onboard the normandy, that is the atmosphere of it and also what i like in the game, the fact that you dont need to be the strict by the book pardon the expression jarhead, towards everyone to get the job done i like that.

[BadlyBrowned]

 Considering you can enter sexual relationships with your subordinates I do not think military professionalism is a priority of the developers. 

[stuka1000]

sky99cap wrote...

Would you have called your CO "Loco" or "Lola"? 

To their face?

Ex-British Army, REME
No way would I have ever reffered to my CO that way, I didn't much care for the inside of the guardhouse and I'm talking from experience

[RenownedRyan]

I've never been in the military. But my family has been, and I know enough about it to know that you call your commanding officer "Sir" or by his rank. Calling him any nickname would result in severe punishment. For those of you saying this is in the future military/sci-fi military-- the Roman Legions referred to their commander as "Imperator." This practice will be with the military forever.

Also, I played football.  Same rules applied.  If you didn't want to be tortured with punishment drills, it was "Sir" or "Coach."  This is dealing with a sport, not life and death.   Respect is important whenever there is a chain of command.

Modifié par RenownedRyan, 08 avril 2012 - 01:15 .

[Reorte]

I don't see why the Alliance military protocol should particularly match any present-day country's. I think there was something to that effect in the ME1 codex, about exactly what degree of formality etc. is required being entirely down to the ship's commander. Where real-life military experience should come in is arguing about whether or not that would make the ship an operational disaster.

[locsphere]

I was in the service, Served OEF, Spent a lot of time off base. There are nicknames among the Enlisted. My nickname was Shaft, along with bags, and teeth, were a few of my friends. Usually among the lower enlisted. We would not call any Officer by a nickname, because you just didn't do it. Don't know why, but you didn't.

[RenownedRyan]

Serious question: Everyone here could come up with a better nickname than loco, right?

[Reorte]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

 Considering you can enter sexual relationships with your subordinates I do not think military professionalism is a priority of the developers.

in ME1 Ashley or Kaidan refuse precisely because you shouldn't, at least up until the point where you break all the rules anyway by stealing the original Normandy. Liara isn't Alliance. In ME2 it's Cerberus in any case, so who cares what their rules are? ME3 is a bit confused on the subject though.

[Made Nightwing]

When I was with the Australian Air Force Cadets, we called our squadron XO, a regular Air Force Sergeant called Barr, 'Barrie'. However,we were senior Cadet NCOs, we never called him that in the presence of the cadets, and he wasn't an officer.

That said, you do get the option to remind James to call you Commander. If you invite him to keep calling you by the nickname, it's kind of obvious that your Shepard is not a strict officer.

[Reorte]

On the subject of nicknames my dad was an officer in the Royal Navy. I know that there were nicknames for him (and I can see why they were what they were ) but I'd have been amazed if they were ever used to his face.

[Warrior Craess]

depends entirely on your relationship with the CO. Yes I served, and in your standard non elite units it would be a big problem.

However in the elite units, they do not go around calling themselves Cpt, sgt or lt.

There is always a nic name.

[sky99cap]

locsphere wrote...

I was in the service, Served OEF, Spent a lot of time off base. There are nicknames among the Enlisted. My nickname was Shaft, along with bags, and teeth, were a few of my friends. Usually among the lower enlisted. We would not call any Officer by a nickname, because you just didn't do it. Don't know why, but you didn't.

There must be a degree of separation between officers and enlisted, and between squad leaders and their men  - because that officer or squad leader at some time, is going to have to send his men into danger and possible death, and there can't be any hesitation or favoritism.

[sky99cap]

New nic names - just between buds; "Razor" and ...?

Some time I'll tell you all the one a P-3 pilot hung on me.