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[M0keys]

Just wondering how Bioware thinks the player avatar commiting total genocide of an entire race of sentient, friendly beings is supposed to give us, as they said at PAX, satisfaction?

Who do they think their player base is? Genocide isn't cool

[scrapmetals]

So the Catalyst isn't lying at all? Everything the kid said was true?

[Mandalore313]

It's not genocide because they're robots.


/hides

Modifié par Mandalore313, 07 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[M0keys]

scrapmetals wrote...

So the Catalyst isn't lying at all? Everything the kid said was true?

As far as I can tell. Otherwise the endings are meaningless no matter which way you slice it.

[Dandynermite]

Because it's Bioware its fine.
Your committing genecide if you kill all the reapers too, don't forget that.

Kill all reapers vs kill all organics, really that different in the end?

[Lesbian Wood Elf]

I wiped them out before the ending and felt like a hero.

[M0keys]

Dandynermite wrote...

Because it's Bioware its fine.
Your committing genecide if you kill all the reapers too, don't forget that.

Kill all reapers vs kill all organics, really that different in the end?

Um, yes.

[Dandynermite]

M0keys wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Because it's Bioware its fine.
Your committing genecide if you kill all the reapers too, don't forget that.

Kill all reapers vs kill all organics, really that different in the end?

Um, yes.

In what way? Its one race, with conflicting opinions to the other race, wiping them out to save the races of the future really?

Its exactly the same, kill all reapers is not defence...

[Siibi]

Starbrat is lying, the Geth and EDI are fine.

[MyChemicalBromance]

If what the catalyst says is true, destroy is a terrible ending.

If he's lying, it's the only ending.

IT theorists promote Destroy because they believe it is Shepard fighting indoctrination, and nothing after the beam actually took place. They use the "breath" scene to back this up.

[scrapmetals]

The kid said Destroy would kill Shepard.

It didn't. So who's to say Destroy killed the Geth?

And many people have seen Edi step out of the Normandy when they chose Destroy. I wasn't one of them though. (Part of my reason for picking Destroy was to get rid of her anyway.)

Modifié par scrapmetals, 07 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[Artking3]

Kill a few million to save a few trillion.

War is about hard choices.

[Crazyjeffy]

Well, between Mass slavery and suicide and mass indoctrination and suicide, i think it was worth it.

[Apple Lantern]

M0keys wrote...

Just wondering how Bioware thinks the player avatar commiting total genocide of an entire race of sentient, friendly beings is supposed to give us, as they said at PAX, satisfaction?

Who do they think their player base is? Genocide isn't cool

Genocide is the reason why I didn't pick the destroy ending initially. I was fully set on wiping out the reapers, since I find it better to commit genocide on a race of beings that wants to commit omnicide. However, I couldn't bring myself to kill the Geth, since I'd saved them and Legion (who I really liked) sacrificed himself to give complete sentience. Same with EDI, considering she had evolved to the point where she could have a relationship with an organic. Couldn't do it, so I went with the green ending. 

If Indoctrination Theory is true, then **** Bioware for indoctrinating me like that. :x

[Creepter]

I like to imagine that the Geth were willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
Is it an excuse? No. But I don't believe that Shepard deserve death just for choosing that option.

[Shallyah]

1. They're robots.
2. Even if you want to compare them with an organic race (which is stupid, but let's buy for a moment the "omg but they're sentient beings" argument) - One "race" dies so millions others won't be exterminated in the millions of years to come. Greatest bargain in the history of the Galaxy. Sure, it sucks that Geth die, but accepting the deal is a no-brainer.

Modifié par Shallyah, 07 avril 2012 - 08:24 .

[ImmovableMover]

Well if you didn't pick it, it wouldn't give YOU satisfaction...duh? Seeing Shepard survive (and its the only choice which allows him to survive) would be satisfying for those who picked the Destroy option.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Shallyah wrote...

1. They're robots
2. Even if you want to compare them with an organic race (which is stupid, but let's buy the "omg they're sentient" argument) - One "race" dies so millions others won't be exterminated in the millions of years to come. Greatest bargain in the history of the Galaxy. Sure, it sucks that Geth die, but accepting the deal is a no-brainer.

If you accept what the Catalyst says is true, choosing Destroy will bring all the problems back, and someone will build the Reapers again.

[sth88]

If the extended cut still forces you to commit galaxy-wide genocide on the scale of a Reaper invasion, I don't care if Shepard lives or dies. The ending wouldn't be fixed.

[Fawx9]

He lied.

Both Shepard and Quarians use synthetics to live. Yet we see him and Tali alive and well after it all. Hell even Edi can walk out of the ship.

[Sparse]

Well Shepard can always deny it.

"It was the Reapers. Don't worry though, I stopped them".

[LegendaryBlade]

Artking3 wrote...

Kill a few million to save a few trillion.

War is about hard choices.

Or I could kill zero and save a few trillion.

The smarter choice isn't always the harder one

[goose2989]

Siibi wrote...

Starbrat is lying, the Geth and EDI are fine.

Don't get your hopes up, buddy. Bioware, most specifically Jessica, has stated that Shepard can live with "sacrifices." I'll bet you wiping the Geth out is one of those sacrifices 

I want Shepard to live just as much as anyone, but from Shepard's perspective, it can be viewed as selfish. Within the confines of the current ending choices, that is. "I'd rather wipe the Geth out than die!" See what I mean? Just don't think that I like it, though.

[The Angry One]

Artking3 wrote...

Kill a few million to doom a few trillion.

War is about hard choices.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Manton-X2]

If you take what glowboy says as truth then it goes way beyond that. We know that Shepard will die because he is part synthetic. From talks with EDI you find out that Shepard is completely human with implants (and none of those are in his brain). So, you can pretty easily extrapolate that if it's killing him because he has implants, then everyone with implants potentially dies along with the entire Geth race. That includes:

- Quarians (heavily modified with cybernetic implants)
- All biotics of every race (these implants tied directly into their nervous systems)
- All Asari (since all Asari are biotics)
- In fact, anyone with heavy implant modifications (which is the majority of the Citadel races)

But it doesn't stop there. In the majority of the galaxy where they don't even know these events are taking place people would be dropping dead. Such as a place at the tech level of , say, our current world. I'm guessing all those heart patients with pacemakers and artificial hearts are toast.

With one choice, hastily accepted, Shepard basically becomes the murderer of more people and races than any organic in the history of the universe - you're talking a death toll in the billions, if not trillions depending on how wide spread life is. Not exactly that hero legacy I was hoping for.

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