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[Village_Idiot]

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

[Vespervin]

Artking3 wrote...

Kill a few million to save a few trillion.

War is about hard choices.

"We are each a nation."

Then don't forget about all the Geth that I gave sentience too and all of the Quarians because of their synthetic implants. Then there's every biotic out there, so most of the Asari are done for. 

Modifié par Vespervin, 07 avril 2012 - 08:30 .

[robertm2]

there robots its not genocide. the reapers will destroy or harvest all organic life so they must be destroyed. the geth cannot be trusted and have attacked organics in the past and thus must also be destroyed.

[Kanon777]

Also EDI's body has been shown to survive the destroy ending, its possible that the highest EMS of red endin only destroyed the reapers...

[m3mental]

Think it depends on your EMS. The higher the ems is the more accurate the crucible will be when fired. For example when you have the really low ems you wipe out everything on earth but if you have the high one I think you can see Edi exit the ship on the weird planet and also see shepard wake up.

[M0keys]

Shallyah wrote...

1. They're robots.
2. Even if you want to compare them with an organic race (which is stupid, but let's buy for a moment the "omg but they're sentient beings" argument) - One "race" dies so millions others won't be exterminated in the millions of years to come. Greatest bargain in the history of the Galaxy. Sure, it sucks that Geth die, but accepting the deal is a no-brainer.

No. Genocide is never a bargain. I had just fought to unite the Quarians and Geth in peace. Everything I ever fought for tells me that genocide is wrong.

So I guess maybe it's okay if you killed the Geth anyway? If you're the kinda guy who's okay with it and don't see the Geth as a growing species of peaceful creatures, regardless of their internal makeup.

[Enado]

M0keys wrote...

Just wondering how Bioware thinks the player avatar commiting total genocide of an entire race of sentient, friendly beings is supposed to give us, as they said at PAX, satisfaction?

Who do they think their player base is? Genocide isn't cool

Depends on the species.... Turian...

Modifié par Enado, 07 avril 2012 - 08:37 .

[Robhuzz]

Because BioWare didn't give us another option than to believe the starchild and go along with it.

While I know by now BioWare dislikes logic in their game endings, there's no reason why the crucible red ending should even harm the Geth, let alone destroy them. Sure they've got programming updates that were originally made by the Reapers, but just about every bit of tech in the galaxy is based on reaper tech (Mass effect technology) so if the Geth are destroyed by the ending, ALL tech in the galaxy needs to be destroyed by that ending. That didn't happen. Starkid was either lying or BioWare is just adding another plot hole. But what's one more right?<_<

[Vespervin]

robertm2 wrote...

there robots its not genocide. the reapers will destroy or harvest all organic life so they must be destroyed. the geth cannot be trusted and have attacked organics in the past and thus must also be destroyed.

Did you play Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2? Because of you did you'll realise how your statement on the Geth makes no sense. So I guess humanity should be wiped out because Cerberus was bad. 

Also, the Reapers are sentient. They are as much alive as you or I. (that is, until starchild ruined that)

[MyChemicalBromance]

The Angry One wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

Kill a few million to doom all life.

Destroy/War is for knuckleheads.

Fixed for accuracy.

Updated.

[M0keys]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

What if the Starchild said the red ending would genocide mankind instead? Is that still okay?

[Strange Aeons]

It's not ok, really.

All three "choices" we're offered are terrible and each directly violates the lessons established by the previous games in its own unique way. The one option that would actually be consistent with Shepard's character within the current structure of the ending is the one we're not offered: defy the catalyst and trust in your friends, your principles, and the strength of everything you've accomplished to fight the Reapers on your own terms.

The only heroic ending available in the existing game is to ignore the Catalyst, sit back and watch the fireworks until the Crucible is destroyed and you get a non-standard game over. At least you go down fighting instead of surrendering to the perverse logic of the arch-villain.

Modifié par Strange Aeons, 07 avril 2012 - 08:37 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Mandalore313 wrote...

It's not genocide because they're robots.


/hides

/facepalm
 
In fact when you seen archives of Geth you could realized the Legion has a soul almost since start  even in strange form, after upgrade from Reapers every Geth become person, living, thinking maybe not breathin person ...
With morning war enden, geth rather choose life in separation than life with war against galaxy and creators.

[M0keys]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

1. They're robots
2. Even if you want to compare them with an organic race (which is stupid, but let's buy the "omg they're sentient" argument) - One "race" dies so millions others won't be exterminated in the millions of years to come. Greatest bargain in the history of the Galaxy. Sure, it sucks that Geth die, but accepting the deal is a no-brainer.

If you accept what the Catalyst says is true, choosing Destroy will bring all the problems back, and someone will build the Reapers again.

Other ending allow the same to happen. Thats because next trilogy will be probably about a tech singularity 

There won't be a next trilogy. It won't last that long because I'm not sure the current team knows the ingredients to a truly succesful series.

[NoUserNameHere]

... because after all that 'does this unit have a soul?' talk on Rannoch, it turns out it was them or us all along. Tali's character develoment is moot. Legion's sacrifice was meaningless. I want to ragemurder a kitten.

[M0keys]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

... because after all that 'does this unit have a soul?' talk on Rannoch, it turns out it was them or us all along. Tali's character develoment is moot. Legion's sacrifice was meaningless. I want to ragemurder a kitten.

Maybe they were writing an ending to a totally different series, woke up the next morning, and went, "Oops! we got drunk! we shouldn't have sent the ending off to production! WAAAIT!"

but nope. too late.

the true tragedy of Bioware: downfall at the hands of budweiser

[Kanon777]

M0keys wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

What if the Starchild said the red ending would genocide mankind instead? Is that still okay?

Yes

[M0keys]

tobito113 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

What if the Starchild said the red ending would genocide mankind instead? Is that still okay?

Yes

Did you also sabotage the genophage, kill Mordin, kill Wrex, kill Samara, kill Samara's daughter and kill Legion to boost your EMS? 

I guess the renegade path exists for a reason

[robertm2]

Vespervin wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

there robots its not genocide. the reapers will destroy or harvest all organic life so they must be destroyed. the geth cannot be trusted and have attacked organics in the past and thus must also be destroyed.

Did you play Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2? Because of you did you'll realise how your statement on the Geth makes no sense. So I guess humanity should be wiped out because Cerberus was bad. 

Also, the Reapers are sentient. They are as much alive as you or I. (that is, until starchild ruined that)

ive played every game several times over. defend the reapers is foolish they deserve to die sentient or no. the geth may have a good side but that side will not stay good for long. you set out to destroy the reapers from day 1 and im not about to cancel that out just because the geth will die too. and if let the legion give them the upgrades then the geth can have original thought and thats just asking for trouble.
 

[Village_Idiot]

M0keys wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

What if the Starchild said the red ending would genocide mankind instead? Is that still okay?

Yes. The nature of the race was never the point here- it's a case of saving as many lives as possible.

Synthesis violates every single living being in the galaxy. Control operates under the assumption Shepard is qualified to rule over a race of omnipotent space-demons. As far as I'm concerned, the only way to solve the Reaper question is to remove them entirely- they're far too dangerous to remain in existence. If that means exterminating a race to do so, be they Geth, human or whatever, then so be it.

[bthillman]

Something you're supposed to speculate about.

[M0keys]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

What if the Starchild said the red ending would genocide mankind instead? Is that still okay?

Yes. The nature of the race was never the point here- it's a case of saving as many lives as possible.

Synthesis violates every single living being in the galaxy. Control operates under the assumption Shepard is qualified to rule over a race of omnipotent space-demons. As far as I'm concerned, the only way to solve the Reaper question is to remove them entirely- they're far too dangerous to remain in existence. If that means exterminating a race to do so, be they Geth, human or whatever, then so be it.

But then you're agreeing with the Reapers, that annihilating intelligent life to save the rest is actually the way to go. It's just on a slightly smaller scale.

[Artking3]

Vespervin wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

Kill a few million to save a few trillion.

War is about hard choices.

"We are each a nation."

Then don't forget about all the Geth that I gave sentience too and all of the Quarians because of their synthetic implants. Then there's every biotic out there, so most of the Asari are done for. 

I don't think the Asari need implants like human biotics, their biotics seem more like natural abilities. It was a basic class in their schools.

I didn't forget about the Geth. By the quote "We are each a nation", I think Shep had destroyed thousands of "nations" in 3 games.

I think the Quarians survived. Tali walked off the Normandy in one piece.

It does seem more likely that Star Child lied about the consequences of your actions. After all, it created the Reapers, and they were not "Beyond our comprehension".

Modifié par Artking3, 07 avril 2012 - 08:47 .

[FatalX7.0]

M0keys wrote...

Just wondering how Bioware thinks the player avatar commiting total genocide of an entire race of sentient, friendly beings is supposed to give us, as they said at PAX, satisfaction?

Who do they think their player base is? Genocide isn't cool

Destroy is like the Renegade option.

You kill the enemy without regard for other synthetic beings, and you can survive in the end.

Seems like something a ruthless kinda guy would do.

Well, except for losing his balls and bowing down to some random hologram.