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[Cobra's_back]

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

[Unfallen_Satan]

He lives? I mean definitely?

[Jacobcus]

Rheinlandman wrote...

Do we even know if Red really kills all the Synthetics?

I mean as far as I see it all three endings were so damn ambiguous that the extended endings might as well be considered new endings. Do we really trust stargodchildthing?

Also killing the Geth would probably kill the Quarians, so its double genocide.

The Quarians on Rannoch are for the first time living without their fleet and its resources and maybe fairly dependent on the Geths help with recolonization during the Battle for Earth.

So Shepard? 4-Time Xenocide allstar? Geth, Quarian, Reaper, and EDI (a unique example of Sapient awareness).

We won't know until the ambiguity is cleared in the extended cut, but thankfully it seems that more than just Hudson and Walters are involved in the choices.

With how bad they did the endings, it doesn't really flat out state that it does kill them, the Godchild says Shepard can also destroy the Geth if he wishes, doesn't really state that they die, EDI was at end as well, but probably just another plot hole, and as for the OP's original question, Renegade survives because he cares for himself, Paragon dies because he is self sacrificing, only thing that makes logical sense in there ending.

[Jacobcus]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

[Rheinlandman]

Unfallen_Satan wrote...

He lives? I mean definitely?

If you have over 4k EMS rating, yes.

Over 5k EMS rating Red Ending is the "Best" ending, it requires the most work to unlock.

[Cobra's_back]

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

Nice try, but No he did not. I finished the game twice with the Red and he didn't say it.

[Jacobcus]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

Nice try, but No he did not. I finished the game twice with the Red and he didn't say it.

Shepard states in ME2 and I believe ME1 that killing the Geth is Genoicide, whether he states it right at the end is irrelevant because he believes it is Genocide.

[Aleru]

Because like Tali said. the Geth can copy paste themselves in... any hardware that have enough processing power? They are software. they can live in yout notebook and then download themselves again in some other synthetic body...

but anyway.  "Victory at any cost... dont forget that doctor"   jenkins
I dont know if i have been watching too many spies vids, but thats what spectres do. Protect galactic stability...even if that means killing an entire race. That was Saren do when he was working with anderson...and the council was ok with that. 

Modifié par Aleru, 11 avril 2012 - 05:46 .

[Jacobcus]

Aleru wrote...

Because like Tali said. the Geth can copy paste themselves in... any hardware that have enough processing power? They are software. they can live in yout notebook and then download themselves again in some other synthetic body...

Whenever they fuse with Legions Reaper Tech and gain a soul and mind, they become hardware. I believe they also lost there ability to merge into other bodys as well.

[Aleru]

Jacobcus wrote...

Aleru wrote...

Because like Tali said. the Geth can copy paste themselves in... any hardware that have enough processing power? They are software. they can live in yout notebook and then download themselves again in some other synthetic body...

Whenever they fuse with Legions Reaper Tech and gain a soul and mind, they become hardware. I believe they also lost there ability to merge into other bodys as well.

but tali says that after the mission on rannoch (if you saved both sides)... 

[Cobra's_back]

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

This is a youtube video of the Catalyst Conversation. Shepard does not state it is genocide.

[Jacobcus]

Aleru wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

Aleru wrote...

Because like Tali said. the Geth can copy paste themselves in... any hardware that have enough processing power? They are software. they can live in yout notebook and then download themselves again in some other synthetic body...

Whenever they fuse with Legions Reaper Tech and gain a soul and mind, they become hardware. I believe they also lost there ability to merge into other bodys as well.

but tali says that after the mission on rannoch (if you saved both sides)... 

She also states they have a soul, they may still beable to link together like wifi, but they have there own mind as well now.

[Little Princess Peach]

Mandalore313 wrote...

It's not genocide because they're robots.


/hides

if they are self aware they are alive and robots is not the term I would use maybe Androids like commander Data since they are more advanced

[Cobra's_back]

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

Nice try, but No he did not. I finished the game twice with the Red and he didn't say it.

Shepard states in ME2 and I believe ME1 that killing the Geth is Genoicide, whether he states it right at the end is irrelevant because he believes it is Genocide.

That was an intended act not a resultant.

[Rheinlandman]

Jacobcus wrote...

Aleru wrote...

Because like Tali said. the Geth can copy paste themselves in... any hardware that have enough processing power? They are software. they can live in yout notebook and then download themselves again in some other synthetic body...

Whenever they fuse with Legions Reaper Tech and gain a soul and mind, they become hardware. I believe they also lost there ability to merge into other bodys as well.

After Rannoch you hear about the Geth helping Quarians boost their auto-immune systems by uploading into their suits.  So they still have the ability to change platforms, but where before many Geth operations could share a platform, each operation is a unique individual and requires its own personal platform at any one time.  Which kind of changes the Quarian/Geth relationship from two species coexisting into a true symbiotic relationship.

[mango smoothie]

I had no problem committing genocide on the Reapers. They committed genocide on thousands perhaps millions of races beforehand, about time they get their own medicine. I also had no problem sacrificing the Geth to destroy the Reapers, because even though I really liked the Geth they're still just machines to me.

[Jacobcus]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

This is a youtube video of the Catalyst Conversation. Shepard does not state it is genocide.

Edit:Really an intended act? It is still Shepards belief. Your evidence is as shallow as the Indoctrination Theory people still believe in.

Modifié par Jacobcus, 11 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[jsadalia]

Nobody knows what happened with any ending. The Catalyst is not infallible and always correct. The very fact that Shepard was able to disrupt his plans is proof of this.

And the little bastard might be lying, anyway.

[Thargorichiban]

Has anyone considered that the Catalyst might want to live? Why is everything he said assumed to be true?

Couldn't it be possible that when he claimed all other AI's would die as a result of the "Destroy" option he was just talking out of his ass to prevent Shepard from wiping out the Reapers and himself?

From the evidence of Shepard surviving (when he has reaper tech in him) it seems like this could be a possibility. The Catalyst could have just been playing on Shepard's very human emotions to make sure that an organic wouldn't end himself and his toys.

[Bill Casey]

Dandynermite wrote...

In what way? Its one race, with conflicting opinions to the other race, wiping them out to save the races of the future really?

Its exactly the same, kill all reapers is not defence...

Okay Doctor Who...

[Cobra's_back]

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

This is a youtube video of the Catalyst Conversation. Shepard does not state it is genocide.

Edit:Really an intended act? It is still Shepards belief. Your evidence is as shallow as the Indoctrination Theory people still believe in.

You can call it what you want. The bottom line is that I totally disagree with you. I really don't think you have a leg to stand on as well.  Let su say we both disagree.

[Bill Casey]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

No it doesn't...
That's argumentum ad verecundiam, a logical fallacy...

[Jacobcus]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

double post

Totally disagree.Trying to shut someone down for their opinion isn’t going to work. You don’t have to listen, but it is still their opinion.

The Mass Effect Universe confirms it as Genocide, so no opinions really matter, this Topic is not about whether its Genocide or not. End of discussion.

You mean the boy states it. I think Shepard can think for himself. End of discussion never works. Here is what really works.

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

Ya Shepard can think for himself, that is why he states it is Genocide as well, I believe he says this more then once, your case was just proven wrong.

This is a youtube video of the Catalyst Conversation. Shepard does not state it is genocide.

Edit:Really an intended act? It is still Shepards belief. Your evidence is as shallow as the Indoctrination Theory people still believe in.

You can call it what you want. The bottom line is that I totally disagree with you. I really don't think you have a leg to stand on as well.  Let su say we both disagree.

Evidence from past games clearly prove it is Genocide, but I will agree to disagree 
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[Cobra's_back]

Bill Casey wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

You can prove your case better if you have a degree in Military law or International law. It also helps a family member or a friend is currently an officer with the Military.

No it doesn't...
That's argumentum ad verecundiam, a logical fallacy...

You mean:

• Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.
  
  
• The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.
  
  
• The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.
  
  
• The "tu quoque" or charging the locutor with "being just like the person" the locutor speaking about, is a narrower variety of this fallacy. In other words, rather than trying to disprove a remark about someone's character or circumstances, one accuses the locutor of having the same character or circumstances.
  
  
• In cross examination or in debate, the point is often expressed as "My point might be bad, but yours is worse."
  
  
• If the subject includes an assessment of behavior, the point can be put "So I do x [some specific action], but you do too."
  
  
• Since the circumstantial variety of the ad hominem can be regarded as a special case of the abusive, the distinction between the abusive and the circumstantial is often ignored.

I never meant to insult. I do however value the opinion of an expert in the field. If I insulted anyone, please accept my sincere and deepest apologies.

[tjc2]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Still think its a bit sketchy that a few hundred EMS difference somehow means Shepard can live or that a beam can do something different. Yes the fleets can defend the Crucible, allowing it to fire, but how do they allow it to fire differently? How does having another 200 EMS from lets say, the Terminus Fleet, allow the beam to do something new? How would that change if Shepard lives or dies?

That's more an issue of game production though.  When developing the game, you have to pick some sort of threshold, and if you make it more of a gradient you're going to end up shooting yourself in the foot for representing that in a meaningful way.

You also start to get into semantics over what exactly 1 unit of war score actually represents.  There's no good reason for why 3999 EMS kills Shepard and why 4000 EMS spares him aside from "It's a video game and it's a lot easier to do it that way then some other way."

I think this can be extended to other games as well.  I mean, why is a character still able to fight at 1/100 health (often at the same ability as 100/100), but then suddenly 0/100 it's just game over.

You could dice roll the ending a little bit. If you have 3999 you have a 99% chance of getting the 4000 ending, if you have 3001 score you have a 1% chance. And then of course after 5000 there is only one ending and under 2500 there is only one ending.