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[Dandynermite]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

Well thats a lie. If they had off "Killed us all" then there would be no organic life at all. As commented they leave the Yax or whatever home planet alone, just like they left Javic.

The destroy option kills every reaper, because they are a reaper, including the reapers still entering the galaxy who haven't even engaged in combat and we don't know their motives.

So killing all the reapers is also GENOCIDE

[Dendio1]

I killed the batarian star system. I am told by just about everyone from the illusive man to tali to not be afraid to make the hard choices. the last thing javik said to me was keep your resolve, this will not end on an easy decision. Kaiden sacrificed his life for the cause. I had more than enough reasons...to do what I had to do. DESTROY the reapers!

[The Angry One]

Chrillze wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

nobody is killing the geth just because they are geth, they are killing the geth because that's the only way to destroy the reapers. 

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

[FatalX7.0]

AlexPorto111 wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

I'd call you weak for not trying harder.

[Necrotron]

I agree completely. I don't find Shepard being a mass murderer a worthwhile trade-off for the ability to reunite with his love interest.

Control seems like a terrible choice too, considering Shepard shouldn't trust anything the starchild says, especially when the only reasoning why control is stated to work is, "The Illusive Man couldn't because he was already indoctrinated..." Okay...not going to just trust you on that okay.

Synthesis is much less outright evil, but still a terrible thing to do to all sentient beings in the galaxy.

So, that leaves nothing. Either die, or chose a horrible option. Not sure which to pick.

[Strange Aeons]

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

Every single Reaper in existence is actively engaged in a war to destroy you.

I'd say that situation is a bit different.

[Hogge87]

M0keys wrote...

Just wondering how Bioware thinks the player avatar commiting total genocide of an entire race of sentient, friendly beings is supposed to give us, as they said at PAX, satisfaction?

Who do they think their player base is? Genocide isn't cool

Thing is, at least to me, the option of Geth-Quarian co-existence never appeared, so my Shep has already commited the genocide... sort of.

You're talking about Shepard acting in an altruistic way: he exterminated one race so that ten others can continue existing. Are you talking about the Geth or the Reapers? Because to be honest, I'm not certain that the Reapers are truly aware. They seem to be pre-programmed, unable to motivate why they're doing what they're doing. Pretty much like a way more advanced cruise-missile.

[DubVee12]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

 You kill 300,000 batarians and nobody even seems to care, yourself included! And you think killing the geth matters?

Exactly. You care more about robots than Batarians.

I actually hate them both, but I didn't kill all the Batarians. In destroy, you are killing ALL geth.

[Zuka999]

All of the choices are stupid. Just let Marauder Shields kill you.

[CronoDragoon]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In other words, I played through the game as a fan of the franchise too

Cheers.

Allan

That's fine Allan, but what you are saying is that you are okay with the whole Tali/Legion thing being reduced to a reason to make you hesitate destroying the Reapers. In fact, being such a great part of ME2/3, it should have allowed you to refuse the choices presented to you or modify them. Destroy does not refuse the Catalyst's reasoning because that choice is not "Destroy the Reapers" it is "Destroy all Synthetic Life," which is still a decision basing itself upon the Catalyst's premises.

[bpzrn]

The endings are poorly done, senseless, do not follow the story-line and are incoherent

BW killed the story FREE DLC wont help if your keeping the endings as is.

[Dandynermite]

The Angry One wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

nobody is killing the geth just because they are geth, they are killing the geth because that's the only way to destroy the reapers. 

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

If you hit the hostage in the shoulder they will fall and leave yourself free to double tap the gunman before they can harm anybody, saving everybody and only applying superficial wounds to the hostage.

So yes. 

[Chrillze]

the geth are just talking toasters, they had to be sacrificed for the greater good

[legion999]

AlexPorto111 wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

A race exterminated so that every other race in existence can be free. I'd call that a fair sacrifice.

I wouldn't.

[Village_Idiot]

The Angry One wrote...

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

If it means the ten other hostages you failed to mention get to survive, then yes. But I get the analogy.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 07 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[Shock n Awe]

M0keys wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

So the Catalyst isn't lying at all? Everything the kid said was true?

As far as I can tell. Otherwise the endings are meaningless no matter which way you slice it.

The Catalyst is lying.  People have apparently had EDI come out of the Normandy after Destroy, and the Catalyst heavily implies that Shepard will die from it too, which he obviously doesn't.

Playing as a Paragon, Destroy option is my canon.

Modifié par Shock n Awe, 07 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[The Angry One]

Dandynermite wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

nobody is killing the geth just because they are geth, they are killing the geth because that's the only way to destroy the reapers. 

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

If you hit the hostage in the shoulder they will fall and leave yourself free to double tap the gunman before they can harm anybody, saving everybody and only applying superficial wounds to the hostage.

So yes. 

Perhaps I should've been more specific.
Is it acceptable to kill the hostage to end the gunman's threat?

[Jacobcus]

The Angry One wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

nobody is killing the geth just because they are geth, they are killing the geth because that's the only way to destroy the reapers. 

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

Nah, you go Nicolas Cage on their ass and headshot the gunman 
ಠ-ಠ

[M0keys]

The Angry One wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

nobody is killing the geth just because they are geth, they are killing the geth because that's the only way to destroy the reapers. 

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

No. Never. I might shoot the hostage in the leg, though, just to be cute and surprise the gunman enough to reveal himself and then take him out.

I'd pay for all medical bills for the hostage, of course.

[legion999]

Chrillze wrote...

the geth are just talking toasters, they had to be sacrificed for the greater good

<facepalm> You do realise how dangerous thatline of thought is right?

[Mallissin]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
In the end, I chose the destroy ending.  I found it bittersweet because it came at the cost of the Geth, but ultimately freeing the galaxy of the Reapers is something my Shepard felt had to be done. 

Murderer.

[The Angry One]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

If it means the ten other hostages you failed to mention get to survive, then yes.

Eschew negociation, get right to the killin'?
You'd make the stranger who replaced Commander Shepard in the last 5 minutes of the game proud.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Well... If killing the reapers is genocide then I'll gladly commit it. The alternative is that we are exterminated. That's not a pleasant thought.

[Dandynermite]

The Angry One wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Your still all ignoring the fact killing the reapers is also Genocide! Just because they are one the other team doesn't make them any less of a "being" than the Geth!

You don't know what genocide means. It doesn't mean "killing every member of a race/species." It means killing them because they belong to that race/species. No one is killing the Reapers because they belong to the Reaper race. They are doing it because THE REAPERS ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL.

nobody is killing the geth just because they are geth, they are killing the geth because that's the only way to destroy the reapers. 

Tell me something. If a gunman holds an innocent person hostage, do you consider it acceptable to shoot the hostage to kill the gunman?

If you hit the hostage in the shoulder they will fall and leave yourself free to double tap the gunman before they can harm anybody, saving everybody and only applying superficial wounds to the hostage.

So yes. 

Perhaps I should've been more specific.
Is it acceptable to kill the hostage to end the gunman's threat?

No, because you can shoot them in the shoulder. If there is a way around it then obviously not. It also depends who the hostage is. If a gunman grabs a drug dealer or murderer as a hostage and your a police sniper, aren't you taking down two birds with one stone

[tractrpl]

The "they're just machines" argument people don't really get it. They're no different from us. The reporter said "can we trust machines that can be hacked by the most advanced race in the galaxy". If I was there, I would have mentioned that the geth are more hack-resistent than we are. Husks and the indoctrinated are "hacked" organics. Because the geth can easily "rewire" their brains, they're more hack resistent than we are. They are not machines, they are life forms.