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Iam not the first nor will I be the last to make such a thread. We all know 9/10 relathionships handled in game were either craptacularly underdone or rose to the level of Ok but not quite whole. What I'm doing is laying out suggestions that BW could fix w/ a patch or incooperate it into the romance DLC (if they ever chose to make one)

I'll be vauge for now but generally our LIs fall into one of two camps: crewLI and noncrew LI. We can't expet for BW to make noncrew LI into them because some do have valid reasons for not being able to join our cause in this method but what can occur are changes to how we the players spend our time with them.
 
NON-CREW LI
For me I think a few of these could join up on ship (more on that later) but for now given how BW has scripted them I think it would be made more enjoyable if:

1. We got holocomm with them - you could have several prescripted just because calls with the LI you could speak to them about several topics and your relationship. After those moments your LI will randomly call you Trynor will again say " Commander [ insert LIs name here] is on the comm link for you" Trynor doesn't even need to know they are your LI she is after all just giving you information. In addition the commlinks is also were you can receive/give comfort & support, and help each other with the ups/downs of the war and each other's situations.

2. Break dates - Each LI would get one unique to them and their circumstances. For instance Miranda isn't going to go to a nightclub if she's still being hunted by Cerberus she'll want something nice but private so she lessons her chance of drawing attention to either of you. Thane can't leave the hospital so he'll meet you on the roof for a lunch, ect. These would either be initiated via email or holocomm invite.

3. You would receive 2 - 4 emails from your LI on various topics and you could actually pick a mood reply for them LI will bring it up next holocomm conversation on how your response helped/hurt them or their situation.

4. If the LI has a long run in the game they will invite shep to the citadel to an apartment and it would be small talk and then they'd make love to shep this wouldn't be a prebattle type of thing it would however fit into the the LIs time frame. Unfortunately do to privacy and how short his life is Thane nor Jacob due to his cheating would get these.

5. Exclusive to Thane and Jacob would be other scenes. Thane would have a moment of heart to heart in a new location at the hospital maybe VS comes into it as well physically if you romanced them prior. Jacob would be able to feel the wrath of shepard you can drag him off to a corner and begin that conversation on why he's such a jerk and didn't wait much less see you on Earth and figure out can you forgive him or not.

6. 2 Shore leave moments these would occur when shep gets off the ship and if he can find them on the citadel he can get a few moments of one on one time with them.


CREW LI

For being on your ship and having the most access with Shep these still left players feeling like they sure got some holes in them. They all come on the ship at different points but that doesn't mean they should've been rushed for it.  

1. Regardless of when your LI comes aboard you should still be able to experience multiple ups/downs with them. Each one brings unique circumstances aboard when they arrive not to mention if you romanced an alien they're comming onto the ship at shep's worse moment of his life so given that we should be able to have up/down moments between our LI and Shep both should receive/give comfort to whomever needs it at these times.

2. At least 2 on ship and 2 off ship moments with LI. These would not be invite meetings the player would simply be running around and their LI would be out in public if you talk to them you'll get the moment. On ship if you find them at a certain point in game you'll get the moment these moments wouldn't necessarily crop up only when you are helping your LIs world they could come before, during, or after the event.

3. Invite breakdate via email they say they want to hangout but in reality they'll surprise you with a date unique to them no copy/paste lunch dates. These would really reflect who your LI is and the way they feel for you.

4. Extended love scenes some players got 1 second so those need to go up in time, pacing, and before/after conversations. It also couldn't hurt for BW to show some suggestive skin shots even if your LI is alien after all you didn't pick that LI for their looks but for who they are so showing some of their alien skin would be part of accepting them. In the case of Tali take off the helmet and show her face side and front w/o it.

5. Key moment relationship fallout/building up/deepening depending this if mainly for the LIs Liara and Thessia she comes along and what you say and do during/after will help. When you go to comfort her romanced sheps of her get extended time here they will cheer her up if they can and after that moment when she comes back to reality the scene will keep going now would be a time for relationship building, strengthening, or destruction and weakness.

Same with Tali and Mshep but in their case they've got so much chaos for one scene to cover theirs would take place in two parts after you come back from being in the geth world your LI will come to your cabin and speak to you on it (really anycrew LI will have this talk) the LI will be worried for shep, their mental state, as well as begin to inquire on the LP shep has to try to reassure them and or shep can choose to look to them for support saying how they didn't want to be in there and how that effected them this point would allow players to experience ups/downs, give/receive comfort, and relationship expansion/lessening deepening/reversal.

The next scene would be really exclusive to tali/shep its after Rannoch is taken back she comes up again is so happy she flings her arms around you and you two again get a relationship bonding moment she'd speak about Earth and you as the player now can air out how this is effecting shep and if its effecting why you got her homeworld back or not and you ask her about details of her home she wants, ect.

NON - crew + others joining up?

Some noncrew I thought didn't present much in the way of obstacles as to why they couldn't join up with you Miranda's being hunted down so why not come along? Jacob being a two timer if you forgave him why can't he leave her for you? Ect.

I thought it was nice BW wanted to give us two unique crewmen but honestly they could've been made optional or killable and their spots refilled by PLAYERS choice. If players were given the option to take/not take Eva's body by not taking it EDI doesn't get a body but she still will privately chat with shep in his cabin about weather or not she should remake herself for the crew's sake, Vega if you don't para him in the fight can/would die on Mars, VS can be told to get lost this leaves open 3 slots that the players should've been able to fill with select crewmen like: Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, and Legion 

Players should also be able to persuade if their para/ren scores are high enough for: Samara, for admiral krios to give up Kal Reegor to be your squadmate, Shaila (feros girl), Jack, Gavon, Athena, Rannoch heavy geth, Grunt and or that stand in Krogan you can ask them both if either one would like to join when you meet them to check out the lost krogan men but only one can/will join you if you ask.

The player if they choose not take/kill off Vega, Eva's body, and VS would then be allowed to pick or persuade three of any of the names listed above. If for instance the player chooses not to take Eva's body, kills vega, but keeps VS they only can pick two of any of the names above. Since Legion and Mordin both must die in their events after they die the player can again pick two more off the list above to replace these member's spaces. If you for instance relace a dead Mordin with Gavon you won't find Gavon in medical you will instead find Gavon down on deck 4 boxing and talking with Cortez if Vega is dead.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 07 avril 2012 - 09:43 .


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I totally agree most of the romances were no way what anyone was expecting except for those who were predicting the worse.

However I understand that Bioware could not cater for everyone's wants in this subject because of the amount of possible romances etc.

I do think your ideas are good like the comms chats in your quarters with your LI between missions every so often like the one conversation like that you get with Miranda in the spectre office (which is oddly always empty) and at least some more conversation and more like a relationship between such characters as you very well noted.

However I doubt they will be adding much on this subject maybe at best one or two Liar of the shadow broker DLC for those that are not already part of the normandy crew, like missions with them being part of your squad for a short time period (Jack really is screaming out for this to happen to her story)

The only character's that this would be hard to do this with is Miranda, Thane and Jacob because Miranda has a major role in the story already, Thane dies after act 1 and Jacob dumps you and pretty much wants barely anything to do with you.

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Vega should also be a romance option. ;)

Modifié par KloieKat, 07 avril 2012 - 11:08 .


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Do want. Miranda really did deserve better.

Hell, all of the ME2 exclusive romances deserve better.

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Fix them?

:o

Wrex broke Garrus D:

Modifié par Inside_Joke, 07 avril 2012 - 11:07 .


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KloieKat wrote...
Vega should also be a romance option.



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KloieKat wrote...
Vega should also be a romance option.


Also this.

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o Ventus wrote...

Do want. Miranda really did deserve better.

Hell, all of the ME2 exclusive romances deserve better.


Agreed!!! Each romance should have been made special and unique! None left behind and neglected.

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That's the idea and if BW decided to also make Vega and taking Eva's body option (like patch it into the romance dlc) then also patch in the ability to take on Miranda, a forgiven Jacob, and Legion or convince Samara, Athena, Feros girl, Jack, Gavon, Athena, Rannoch heavy geth, Kal, Grunt and or that stand in Krogan on grunt's mission so long as grunt is squad leader, and new addition Virmire girl (thermopolis?) aka the scientist you let go on Virmire.

There are even places still left open for them like the observation deck, grunts old room, the hanger bay they would also get dialogue added on and off ship and during missions. And if the player chooses Mordin or Legion after said characters die and before the citadel is taken the player can ask or convince any of the mentioned people above who aren't dead or working for the war effort at that time.

For instance

Miranda - you can ask her to join you twice once during her first holo meeting then again after she saves her sister if she dies during this mission or leave for the crucible she is no longer available to ask if Legion or Mordin die

Jack - must be convinced when you meet her in Purgatory otherwise she will be unavailable after that.

Grunt or the stand in krogan must be convinced before you setout to explore the caves and the player once getting an ok by either krogan can not convince the other to join like convince second krogan to join your team Grunt will decline your offer saying he'd rather stay and smash his men's heads in. Once the mission is over you will get a cutscene of convinced Krogan meeting shep in the meeting room and saying how egar they are to start killing things and he will be found down on deck 4.

Samara must be convinced on the citadel before she leaves for war.

Feros girl (shaila) can be asked via email once she sends you her email telling about the colony you can reply back inviting her to join your crew an invisible dice rolls 50/50 on if she'll join or not if it turns up yes she'll email you and say I'll come on board once you dock at the citadel. Once you do said action she'll meet you at the air lock and go into the ship. She would become an unlocked romance for mshep (I can't remember if she hits on fshep back in 2 but if she did she'd be unlocked for her too)

Virmire scientist girl - Just thought to add this one but she'll email while she is in c-sec custody asking you to release her into your custody she promises to do whatever you need. Go to the spector office to secure her transfer to your ship she will become your fighting scientist onboard the ship and can be found in medbay with chakwas you can then begin to change her very twisted mindset. She is only available to players who kept her alive. She'll also be the wikkia on indoctrination so you can ask her alot on it.

Jacob - must be forgiven by the player to have him join up and he must be convinced to leave that girl for you. Unlocks his romance and he'd be shifted to getting content for crewmember LI section above.

Legion - can be asked after you rescue him but will only be able to be used up until you free Rannoch so if you complete Rannoch right after you take him on it won't be long before he's dead and you'll need to find another party member.

Mordin you must ask him while he's on the ship tending to the female krogan once he says yes he can be taken out on any missions until you complete Tuchanka then you'll have to replace his slot wit someone else.

To get Kal - You must speak to the admiral of the heavy fleets, you must convince him anytime he is on ship with you. He will say he will consider it the other check is you must save him then he will email you and say Kal is on his way after you log out of your email Joker will be on the comm and say how a Quarian shuttle is asking for permission to dock then you can meet Kal on deck 4 he will also be found moving between deck 4, chatting with Garrus, and chatting with Tali. ( If Tali isn't romanced you can convince him to try for her if you do they'll get together if you don't she'll go with Garrus)

I can always list the complete conditions list I thought of for each potential new crew member if you guys would like.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 12 avril 2012 - 03:56 .


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I was incredibly sad that I didn't get to cuddle with Garrus :C
EVERYONE came up to my room but him, except for the ending. I was very sad.

Although the ME2 cuddling always made me giggle because it was so dang awkward to look at xD

Vega.
Yes. Please. Want.
He flirts with femshep like crazy, make him a romance option. I'd totally skip out on Garrus for one game and romance Vega.


How awkward would it be to romance Javik? Incredibly awkward, but it would also be hilarious, so throw him in.

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o Ventus wrote...

Do want. Miranda really did deserve better.

Hell, all of the ME2 exclusive romances deserve better.


YES HELL INDEAD they all deserved better, Samara should be allowed to be a squad mate once you find her in the game on Lessus.

Next Thane fans deserve more, I'd let Kirrahee die to save Thane and have him back also that brings a sense of choice into the game.


Jacob fans sould get either a single Jacob, or be able to convince him to leave Bree

Jack fans should get allowed to have her back

In fact I'd like it if all the ME2 LI's could join your team after a certain point in the game, Thane (after Cerberus Coup), Samara (Lessus), Jacob, (that frozen planet) Miranda (after the Geth/Quarian act). Jack, (Grissom)  did I forget anyone?

I'd also like to have interchangable squade mates, Like what if I want to kick Liara, Tali, Garrus, James, Javik, Ashley, EDI all off of my squad raster and replace them with Grunt, Zaeed, Kasumi, Jacob, Miranda, Samara, Thane, Jack,  and so on That would be cool and give ME3 huge replay value

If ya agree with this can I get a HECK YEAH?!!!

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for me its necessary fix the romance about Liara, because in the time capsule scene Liara talk my Female Shepard friends, but sei have a romance whit Liara i retake the romance after Mars,and the romance whit Liara have start in ME1 was continue in ME2 after the dlc LotSB, and after Thessia my Female Shepard not have the possibility to consular Liara like a partner, the paragon interrupation its only for friends, this is unacceptable

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I think the crew-romances are fine as they are. I hate to bring that up, but this is not a romance-sim. To extend the romance-content like you suggested, would lead to more romance content than actual missions...

It's just that non crew-members deserve better, because currently it seems like they are nothing more than side-kicks for the real romances. It's like they have been made in ME2 only as a possibility to cheat on your true love from ME1. It's like you are never expected to be with them.

However, They should share the same amount of time with Shepard than every other squadmate. It's sad that you have more intimate moments with Liara than with your LI. That she is always the one looking for you, not your LI.

It's impossible to change that now, but I would buy additional DLC which provides what the ME2-squadmates deserve.

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o Ventus wrote...

Do want. Miranda really did deserve better.

Hell, all of the ME2 exclusive romances deserve better.



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Too bad that my romances (Miranda and Jack) didn't pass walters blue test...

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Honestly, I liked having Shep/Jack become a long-distance relationship. I thought her time in ME3 was pretty well done, and then I felt like him having to remember and fight for her while she's not there adds to the drama of a war-story. Because that's what it is, a war-story, not a dating-sim.

A would just add a couple things:
-- Jack sees Shep in his cabin after the shuttle scene (ending the Grissom Academy mission), the dialogue to re-kindle or break-up romance is moved here. If re-kindled, Shepard "apologizes" to Jack some more about leaving her. ^.^
-- Dance at Purgatory, add an emotional goodbye scene rather than end abruptly with fade-to-black.

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It's been a while so let's put this back out there.

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We already have a thread like that - post your ideas there:

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