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[M0keys]

veramis wrote...

“As far as I can tell, it was a vocal minority of several thousand, but
given that the game shipped 3.5 million units and likely sold through
2.8 million, I can’t believe that the backlash comprised more than 10
percent of consumers, and think it’s more likely closer to 1 percent,”
said Pachter.

Pachter should see how many people voted for EA over BoA. Also he should think about committing suicide because we don't need videogame analysts like him.

He's not really a videogame analyst, per se. Check out my post from earlier.

[Justin2k]

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I know retake do not want to hear this, but he is probably right when he says that it's about 1% of total customers that are vocally protesting and 10% of customers that were not fully satisfied.

I mean, he is an analyst, and the maths does work out to show the people who will refuse to buy Bioware again as a very very small minority. Something like 80k out of 2.9 million or something.

Retake is little more than a drop in the ocean for Bioware. And the controversy seems to have raised sales, not dropped them.

He's a biased analyst, his statistics are made up and mean nothing.

Not really.  The custom loss is far less than I think a lot of you think it is.

Retake has about 60,000 members right?  The going stat for vocal complainers is 10% of the non vocal ones.  So you would make that 600,000 non vocal people upset.  So 660,000.  Right there we do not have even a quarter of 2.8 million.

You then decide on a number that is satisfied by DLC or awaiting to see.  One in 6 perhaps?  So we are left with 550,000 upset people.  Now of that, only one in five is actually going to never buy another bioware product again.

Roughly we are left with 110,000 customers lost.  From 2.8 million.

Being a majority on the forums may seem like a side is winning, but in reality, it never was.

Modifié par Justin2k, 07 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[The Smitchens]

legion999 wrote...

"I can’t think of anything that EA does that is bad enough to warrant this distinction.  They sell entertainment products that are better than the average, at competitive prices.”

Is it just me or does this look like EA's paying him to say this?

And after reading the rest of the article it becomes apparent he is yet another person who has no clue.

Is it really that hard to believe that just maybe someone authentically thinks that EA isn't as bad as a lot of people say?  We're a widely varied race with different opinions.  People disagree.  It happens.  Who cares?

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

I don't see how any video game company ever could qualify for that title.  They make video games.  Period.  It's not like they had a giant oil leak that flooded into the gulf of Mexico for three months while no one did a single thing about it.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Justin2k wrote...

I know retake do not want to hear this, but he is probably right when he says that it's about 1% of total customers that are vocally protesting and 10% of customers that were not fully satisfied.

I mean, he is an analyst, and the maths does work out to show the people who will refuse to buy Bioware again as a very very small minority. Something like 80k out of 2.9 million or something.

Retake is little more than a drop in the ocean for Bioware. And the controversy seems to have raised sales, not dropped them.

Here is the thing though the people who bought the game and don't care about the ending probably won;t care if it is changed either so they are a non issue. The people who do care about the ending are the people who climb up a mountain to sing the praises of Bioware and thus are the same people that can keep Bioware as a top tier developer or the people that can destroy them. Which side do you want those people on?

[DavidMW]

I have to wonder if all the insults being thrown our way is part of a poor attempt to convince sheep the masses to avoid listening to us or quite possibly to destain us and activly attack us.

Meh, I dont care. I'll keep and voice my opinion regardless of who attacks me or what they label me as...

[coles4971]

Funny how everyone was jerking off of Forbes when they were siding with Retake ME3, and then the moment they say anything against them, people are just like "LOL FORBES DEY R SCUM".

[Jackal7713]

Justin2k wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I know retake do not want to hear this, but he is probably right when he says that it's about 1% of total customers that are vocally protesting and 10% of customers that were not fully satisfied.

I mean, he is an analyst, and the maths does work out to show the people who will refuse to buy Bioware again as a very very small minority. Something like 80k out of 2.9 million or something.

Retake is little more than a drop in the ocean for Bioware. And the controversy seems to have raised sales, not dropped them.

He's a biased analyst, his statistics are made up and mean nothing.

Not really.  The custom loss is far less than I think a lot of you think it is.

Retake has about 60,000 members right?  The going stat for vocal complainers is 10% of the non vocal ones.  So you would make that 600,000 non vocal people upset.  So 660,000.  Right there we do not have even a quarter of 2.8 million.

You then decide on a number that is satisfied by DLC or awaiting to see.  One in 6 perhaps?  So we are left with 550,000 upset people.  Now of that, only one in five is actually going to never buy another bioware product again.

Roughly we are left with 110,000 customers lost.  From 2.8 million.

Being a majority on the forums may seem like a side is winning, but in reality, it never was.

Your agrument still doesn't address the fact Bioware lied to their customers.

[The Angry One]

Justin2k wrote...

Not really.  The custom loss is far less than I think a lot of you think it is.

Retake has about 60,000 members right?  The going stat for vocal complainers is 10% of the non vocal ones.  So you would make that 600,000 non vocal people upset.  So 660,000.  Right there we do not have even a quarter of 2.8 million.

You then decide on a number that is satisfied by DLC or awaiting to see.  One in 6 perhaps?  So we are left with 550,000 upset people.  Now of that, only one in five is actually going to never buy another bioware product again.

Roughly we are left with 110,000 customers lost.  From 2.8 million.

Being a majority on the forums may seem like a side is winning, but in reality, it never was.

So you respond to my note that he's making up statistics by making up statistics.
Alright.

[Jackal7713]

coles4971 wrote...

Funny how everyone was jerking off of Forbes when they were siding with Retake ME3, and then the moment they say anything against them, people are just like "LOL FORBES DEY R SCUM".

Kido you really need to grow up alittle before talking with the adults.

[Carlthestrange]

Well, all Bioware had to do was announce some new DLC, and BOOM! The entire media industry turns on those who see right through it all.

[Reverse Centaur]

I love it. Bravo Mr. Pachter. 100% spot on.

[ticklefist]

Michael Pachter. The same guy, who in 2005, told us the PS3 would have reached PS2 sales numbers by 2010. The same guy that "predicts" how much a game sold the month before.

My question: If he's an analyst, where's the actual analysis? 

Supplemental question: Why do none of the people that speak to this windbag not say, "do you mind if I see the work you did in order to come to these conclusions?"

Modifié par ticklefist, 07 avril 2012 - 10:45 .

[Sal86]

This 1% business amuses me greatly. His opinions I can't discount (same as anyone else's opinions) but his mathematics is quite simply wrong.

2.8m x 0.01 = 28,000

What is 28,000? Why, it's about 1/3 of the vocal group, not to mention the unknown quantity that have remained silent.

I didn't know what a video game analyst was either and goggle doesn't turn up much by way of an answer, in fact my brief search suggested to me that this fellow is the one and only well known video game analyst out there. Joystiq gave me this insight:

"Analysts are the life-blood of investors. We need some kind of opinion of where a company may be going; if we don't get it, we feel uneasy about a company's future. Michael Pachter is one of those people.

In an interview with N'Gai Croal, Pachter primarily discusses his bullish Xbox 360 predictions and how they've essentially fallen flat. He cites the bigger impact the lack of HD sets in homes had as well as miscalculated the price-insensitivity of the hardcore crowd. He thinks a simple price cut won't solve the matters (at least until his magical $150 mark is hit). Pachter further states he expects the PS3 to sell at the same rate as the 360 did since launch.

Given Pachter's history, we're beginning to wonder if he is on a stretch of bad luck, or shouldn't be listened to at all. He did predict the PS3 would outsell the Wii (then called Revolution) by up-to 60% this year as well as predicted 2006 to be a slow year for gaming (deemed wrong by his future prediction to buy GameStop stock); neither prediction came out close. We guess it is true; analysts are people paid to have an opinion."

Draw your own conclusions.

[mereck7980]

You have to admit that EA wining the worst company in America award is kind of silly. I am not a fan of how they have handled the endings controversy, but honestly the WORST company in America?

They aren't poisoning people's groundwater, kicking people out of their homes, defrauding their clients out of millions of dollars, or pumping massive amounts of chemical waste into rivers.

Lets put things into perspective here, there are companies that behave far worse than EA ever could.

[DavidMW]

coles4971 wrote...

Funny how everyone was jerking off of Forbes when they were siding with Retake ME3, and then the moment they say anything against them, people are just like "LOL FORBES DEY R SCUM".

I was under the impression that Forbes were not for or against, some articles sided with Retake and some went against it. Wasnt that clear from day 1? 

[MaximusRex]

"Michael Pachter, videogame analyst, Wedbush Morgan Securities"

He's a terrible analyst, he blames upset ME3 fans for screwing over poor ol EA with the consumerist, then goes on to say we are likely less then 1% of sales. If upset fans are less then 1% of sales how come Bank of America couldn't beat out EA? The Consumerist themselves said over 250k votes were cast, and 2/3 went to EA, that's 166k votes against them, well over his 1% figure. I can't believe they let this guy give people financial advice.

Modifié par MaximusRex, 07 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[Justin2k]

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Not really.  The custom loss is far less than I think a lot of you think it is.

Retake has about 60,000 members right?  The going stat for vocal complainers is 10% of the non vocal ones.  So you would make that 600,000 non vocal people upset.  So 660,000.  Right there we do not have even a quarter of 2.8 million.

You then decide on a number that is satisfied by DLC or awaiting to see.  One in 6 perhaps?  So we are left with 550,000 upset people.  Now of that, only one in five is actually going to never buy another bioware product again.

Roughly we are left with 110,000 customers lost.  From 2.8 million.

Being a majority on the forums may seem like a side is winning, but in reality, it never was.

So you respond to my note that he's making up statistics by making up statistics.
Alright.

Umm.. how is it made up?  Its pretty explained.

But ok, lets say retake has 60,000 members.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.
Lets say for every 1000 fan in retake, theres 10,000 non vocal fans that agree with them.
thats 600,000.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.

The simple fact is, Retake is certainly a minority. 
And the people that agree with Retake do not even make up half of ME3's sales.

You are obviously really really upset at this fact, because all i see is negativity, anger and sadness from you in every post, but unfortunately this is just the truth of the matter.  The majority of the fans, whether they liked it, loved it, hated it, do not care enough to say/do anything about it and will not be adversely affected from buying the next bioware title.

[M0keys]

coles4971 wrote...

Funny how everyone was jerking off of Forbes when they were siding with Retake ME3, and then the moment they say anything against them, people are just like "LOL FORBES DEY R SCUM".

Michael Pachter does not work for Forbes.

He works as a "consumer analyst" for Wedbush Morgan (http://en.wikipedia....bush_Securities) which is a holdings corporation that works directly with EA.

Pachter is best buddies with EA in terms of business right now. You can see/read him giving a glowing introduction to EA CEO John Riccitiello in this Shareholders Conference meeting from earlier this year, in this transcript

files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1727883589x0x551670/86a5c9a0-1ee8-480f-887b-04bf50c8d268/ERTS_Wedbush_03082012_Transcript.pdf

I would not worry about his opinion too much! He's just trying to keep shareholders from freaking out.

Modifié par M0keys, 07 avril 2012 - 10:47 .

[Ratham]

Reverse Centaur wrote...

I love it. Bravo Mr. Pachter. 100% spot on.

Trolololol

[clarkusdarkus]

when pachter scores 4 touchdowns in 1 game like albundy i'll be sure to agree with him

[dezpinato]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I thought Forbes were the good guys in all this.

Guess it's us against all the internets now. They're still going to lose but they can keep coming at us.

hes a gaming journalist who is in the pocket of all the major companies.  forbes otherwise has been really good about the stories they have put forth.

also he  is whining about gamers whining.  he is no better than the worst on these forums. how can he call himself a journalist.<_<

[tschamp]

The reason we get games like Max Payne and Alan Wake only every six years or so is that the developers strive for perfection, and whiny gamers are only going to cause their beloved games to take even longer between episodes. The BioWare guys are prolific, but if they slow down development of future games to make sure that everybody is happy, consumers will have even fewer choices, and will have something new to complain about. Game development is a balance between delighting consumers and making a profit, and if everyone focuses on guaranteeing 100 percent satisfaction, development costs will rise unacceptably, and nobody will make any money.”

Is this guy serious? I would have waited another year,2,3,or 6 years for Mass Effect 3 if they would work out the glitches, quest system, face importer, ending, weapons upgrade, and added more squad members.

[Reverse Centaur]

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

Actually yes, I do think that is the reason. It doesn't mean that EA would have been loved without this controversy, but ME3 ending whiners are exactly why they came out on top of this poll.

[DiE231]

Don't expect game critics to side with fans, big companys like EA have these guys by the balls, last thing they want is to get on their badside and stop being their biatch.

[Ridwan]

Lol Pachter. There's a blogger called Sean Malstrom who's an expert in tearing him apart.