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[Qutayba]

Why does he think it's a bad thing to take longer between episodes? I think THAT is the source of the problem right there. Are development studios going to strive for quality, or mass produced crap?

[Jackal7713]

Really, do you think it was just ME 3 that caused EA to get this title?

It couldn't be the fact they charge large amounts for DLC to every sports game.

It couldn't be that they rip off Sims customers left and right.

The list goes on and on. Its just not ME3

[The Angry One]

Justin2k wrote...

Umm.. how is it made up?  Its pretty explained.

But ok, lets say retake has 60,000 members.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.
Lets say for every 1000 fan in retake, theres 10,000 non vocal fans that agree with them.
thats 600,000.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.

The simple fact is, Retake is certainly a minority. 
And the people that agree with Retake do not even make up half of ME3's sales.

You are obviously really really upset at this fact, because all i see is negativity, anger and sadness from you in every post, but unfortunately this is just the truth of the matter.  The majority of the fans, whether they liked it, loved it, hated it, do not care enough to say/do anything about it and will not be adversely affected from buying the next bioware title.

You're assuming numbers, and basing statistics from that.
How is that not made up?

[Evil Minion]

The Smitchens wrote...

legion999 wrote...

"I can’t think of anything that EA does that is bad enough to warrant this distinction.  They sell entertainment products that are better than the average, at competitive prices.”

Is it just me or does this look like EA's paying him to say this?

And after reading the rest of the article it becomes apparent he is yet another person who has no clue.

Is it really that hard to believe that just maybe someone authentically thinks that EA isn't as bad as a lot of people say?  We're a widely varied race with different opinions.  People disagree.  It happens.  Who cares?

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

I don't see how any video game company ever could qualify for that title.  They make video games.  Period.  It's not like they had a giant oil leak that flooded into the gulf of Mexico for three months while no one did a single thing about it.

Exactly.

Calling a company "evil" or "worst company in America" because it makes lousy games is assinine.

Video games are friggen TOYS. I can think of thousands of other much more relevant and important issues facing society today besides playing with TOYS.

Modifié par Evil Minion, 07 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[Qutayba]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I thought Forbes were the good guys in all this.

Guess it's us against all the internets now. They're still going to lose but they can keep coming at us.

Don't confuse the reporter with the interviewee.

[The Night Mammoth]

Reverse Centaur wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

Actually yes, I do think that is the reason. It doesn't mean that EA would have been loved without this controversy, but ME3 ending whiners are exactly why they came out on top of this poll.

You have literally no way of proving that. 

[goose2989]

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

Not a single person with a brain. However, it does give people a convenient excuse to put some spin on why EA was voted the worst company. 

[Sal86]

Justin2k wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Not really.  The custom loss is far less than I think a lot of you think it is.

Retake has about 60,000 members right?  The going stat for vocal complainers is 10% of the non vocal ones.  So you would make that 600,000 non vocal people upset.  So 660,000.  Right there we do not have even a quarter of 2.8 million.

You then decide on a number that is satisfied by DLC or awaiting to see.  One in 6 perhaps?  So we are left with 550,000 upset people.  Now of that, only one in five is actually going to never buy another bioware product again.

Roughly we are left with 110,000 customers lost.  From 2.8 million.

Being a majority on the forums may seem like a side is winning, but in reality, it never was.

So you respond to my note that he's making up statistics by making up statistics.
Alright.

Umm.. how is it made up?  Its pretty explained.

But ok, lets say retake has 60,000 members.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.
Lets say for every 1000 fan in retake, theres 10,000 non vocal fans that agree with them.
thats 600,000.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.

The simple fact is, Retake is certainly a minority. 
And the people that agree with Retake do not even make up half of ME3's sales.

You are obviously really really upset at this fact, because all i see is negativity, anger and sadness from you in every post, but unfortunately this is just the truth of the matter.  The majority of the fans, whether they liked it, loved it, hated it, do not care enough to say/do anything about it and will not be adversely affected from buying the next bioware title.

I think you are missing the point being made about made up statistics. Numbers that follow 'let's say' are classified as made up in my book. It could be more, it could be less but unless you have a reason for those numbers you don't know any better than the rest of us.

Modifié par Sal86, 07 avril 2012 - 10:50 .

[DavidMW]

Reverse Centaur wrote...

Actually yes, I do think that is the reason. It doesn't mean that EA would have been loved without this controversy, but ME3 ending whiners are exactly why they came out on top of this poll.

I respectfully disagree. EA has bad business practices. Milking people for cash (microtrans, pay to be the best) is the most unpopular.

ME3 has little to do with that, people have been hating EA in the 100's thousands for a while.

Modifié par DavidMW, 07 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[Carlthestrange]

Sadly folks, we've reached that final phase. We're dammed if we do, and dammed if we don't.

If the DLC won't give you what you want, vote with your wallet, and stop supporting ether EA or Bioware.

[Ridwan]

ticklefist wrote...

Michael Pachter. The same guy, who in 2005, told us the PS3 would have reached PS2 sales numbers by 2010. The same guy that "predicts" how much a game sold the month before.

My question: If he's an analyst, where's the actual analysis? 

Supplemental question: Why do none of the people that speak to this windbag not say, "do you mind if I see the work you did in order to come to these conclusions?"

Don't forget how he kept predicting year after year that "Nintendo will release a Wii HD this year".

[Jackal7713]

goose2989 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

Not a single person with a brain. However, it does give people a convenient excuse to put some spin on why EA was voted the worst company. 

This.

The sheep will use anything to help them.

[Solmanian]

N7soldier wrote...

someone should patch his mouth.

 It's funy. He doesn't agree with you, but still encourage you to voice your opinion. Your opinion: "If you don't agree with me, than you need to STFU"...

real classy.

[Nyila]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Really, do you think it was just ME 3 that caused EA to get this title?

It couldn't be the fact they charge large amounts for DLC to every sports game.

It couldn't be that they rip off Sims customers left and right.

The list goes on and on. Its just not ME3

Yeah, just about every game franchises that EA got their greedy paws on are being milked. It's pretty sad really..

Modifié par Nyila, 07 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[M0keys]

Could someone please just listen to me? I'm trying to tell you guys who Michael Pachter is :/

[Fireblader70]

This guy believes that consumers should gobble up EA products simply because they are good, at 'competitive prices'. In other words, he thinks we should be ignorant of the processes behind development, and focus on the entertainment more than anything else.

Fair enough... but I am no cow to be milked, and I'll be damned if Michael Pachter, of all people, is going to convince me otherwise.

[Jeb231]

Well we can see until the sale numbers for the next months and DLC items post release but I predict Pachter to be way off (as usual).

[Justin2k]

Sal86 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Not really.  The custom loss is far less than I think a lot of you think it is.

Retake has about 60,000 members right?  The going stat for vocal complainers is 10% of the non vocal ones.  So you would make that 600,000 non vocal people upset.  So 660,000.  Right there we do not have even a quarter of 2.8 million.

You then decide on a number that is satisfied by DLC or awaiting to see.  One in 6 perhaps?  So we are left with 550,000 upset people.  Now of that, only one in five is actually going to never buy another bioware product again.

Roughly we are left with 110,000 customers lost.  From 2.8 million.

Being a majority on the forums may seem like a side is winning, but in reality, it never was.

So you respond to my note that he's making up statistics by making up statistics.
Alright.

Umm.. how is it made up?  Its pretty explained.

But ok, lets say retake has 60,000 members.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.
Lets say for every 1000 fan in retake, theres 10,000 non vocal fans that agree with them.
thats 600,000.  Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.

The simple fact is, Retake is certainly a minority. 
And the people that agree with Retake do not even make up half of ME3's sales.

You are obviously really really upset at this fact, because all i see is negativity, anger and sadness from you in every post, but unfortunately this is just the truth of the matter.  The majority of the fans, whether they liked it, loved it, hated it, do not care enough to say/do anything about it and will not be adversely affected from buying the next bioware title.

I think you are missing the point being made about made up statistics. Numbers that follow 'let's say' are classified as made up in my book. It could be more, it could be less but unless you have a reason for those numbers you don't know any better than the rest of us.

It's ten percent.  As a general rule the people that complain about a product are ten percent of the amount of people unhappy with that product.

Even if we were to raise that number substantially, you'd need at least 20% of regular joes to agree with Retake before even hitting half of ME3's sales.

Therefore it is pretty safe to assume that the people who are negatively affected are the minority.  Although without knowing the unknowable (amount of people who haven't posted an opinion who are unhappy) you can never provide definete proof.  Just an estimate.  10% is the safe number for that estimate, used by companies all the time.

[Hexley UK]

Dude's a pompous douche and has no idea what he's talking about.

End of line.

[The Smitchens]

M0keys wrote...

Could someone please just listen to me? I'm trying to tell you guys who Michael Pachter is :/

Listening means people open the opportunity to be proven inaccurate about their preconceived notions.  Most people, I think, aren't willing to take that chance. 

Have fun screaming at that wall, though.

[The Anti-Saint]

BiowarEA must have paid him a handsome sum of cash to do that roundabout PR/DC. EA's stock must be taking some serious hits.

[Combine911]

[Garlador]

Patcher? The same Patcher who said the Wii was doomed to failure and the 3DS was going to be the end of the Nintendo? That Michael Patcher?

There's a common law; whatever Michael Patcher says, the opposite is true.

Unless he predicts such grand things as "Call of Duty might sell well this year" or "I believe companies losing money might be making bad choices."

[Jackal7713]

Fireblader70 wrote...

This guy believes that consumers should gobble up EA products simply because they are good, at 'competitive prices'. In other words, he thinks we should be ignorant of the processes behind development, and focus on the entertainment more than anything else.

Fair enough... but I am no cow to be milked, and I'll be damned if Michael Pachter, of all people, is going to convince me otherwise.

competitive prices? They're games are $60 just like everyone else. I would like to ask whats competitive about EA's pricing?

On a side note, this just proves he's talking out of his ass.

[M0keys]

The Smitchens wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Could someone please just listen to me? I'm trying to tell you guys who Michael Pachter is :/

Listening means people open the opportunity to be proven inaccurate about their preconceived notions.  Most people, I think, aren't willing to take that chance. 

Have fun screaming at that wall, though.

Yeah, thanks.