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[Hexley UK]

Garlador wrote...

Patcher? The same Patcher who said the Wii was doomed to failure and the 3DS was going to be the end of the Nintendo? That Michael Patcher?

There's a common law; whatever Michael Patcher says, the opposite is true.

Unless he predicts such grand things as "Call of Duty might sell well this year" or "I believe companies losing money might be making bad choices."

Yes the very same "Genius".

[Jackal7713]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

BiowarEA must have paid him a handsome sum of cash to do that roundabout PR/DC. EA's stock must be taking some serious hits.

You should see it. Its been really bad for a month now.

[jcmuki]

M25105 wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

Michael Pachter. The same guy, who in 2005, told us the PS3 would have reached PS2 sales numbers by 2010. The same guy that "predicts" how much a game sold the month before.

My question: If he's an analyst, where's the actual analysis? 

Supplemental question: Why do none of the people that speak to this windbag not say, "do you mind if I see the work you did in order to come to these conclusions?"

Don't forget how he kept predicting year after year that "Nintendo will release a Wii HD this year".

Micheal Pachter is a idoit who should be ignored, he is as much an analyst as the groundhog predicting if spring will come early that year

[Son-Gohan]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Sadly folks, we've reached that final phase. We're dammed if we do, and dammed if we don't.

If the DLC won't give you what you want, vote with your wallet, and stop supporting ether EA or Bioware.

This.

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Justin2k wrote...

There's also a general rule that states that for every vocal complainer there are 26 others who won't voice their opinion publicly. 

The results from that rule might be slightly different.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 07 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[the-cniht]

Patcher doesn't work for Forbes. He's just quoted in the article, and the article is on his opinion.

Read the article fully so you can actually comment with some clarity. Patcher, who when your read the article it is clear he has done very little to NO research into the subject.

I am able to bring this up with his own words namely:

"They treated their customers with respect, addressed the situation directly and promptly, and are offering free DLC to satisfy those who hated the ending. I shudder to think what will happen if gamers don’t like the new ending choices."

Problem. Bioware's press release clearly stated they are not offering any 'new choices'. Mr. Patcher has not read nor researched the issue he's commenting on. He's a hack financial analyst that works for Wedbush Morgan Securities, period. Money men and bean counters don't get to comment on product standards. Mr. Patcher also is avoiding the statistical analysis of backlash. If 2.6 million copies of a game sold and you have over 50k people that are able to inundate places like Consumerist.com and or donate up to 80k toward charity in protest response on quick notice that means a lot more then those 50k people are pissed off.

There is no such thing as a 'vocal minority'.  That's a term ignorant people unable to compete in the area of ideas come up with to try to dismiss an opinion, idea, or thought, they don't want to hear.

Modifié par the-cniht, 07 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[Phaedros]

Qutayba wrote...

Why does he think it's a bad thing to take longer between episodes? I think THAT is the source of the problem right there. Are development studios going to strive for quality, or mass produced crap?

He's talking money & quantity .. not game & quality.


You can tell he knows nothing about the game he's talking about for instance..   

[Jackal7713]

If people really want to mess with EA. Buy their stock and short sell it.

[The Anti-Saint]

Jackal7713 wrote...

The Anti-Saint wrote...

BiowarEA must have paid him a handsome sum of cash to do that roundabout PR/DC. EA's stock must be taking some serious hits.

You should see it. Its been really bad for a month now.

Then that explains this bozo coming out from under his rock. The corp he is directly tied to at the hip is taking its licks...and in the process, he's getting burned; might be a shareholder.

[The Smitchens]

Evil Minion wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

legion999 wrote...

"I can’t think of anything that EA does that is bad enough to warrant this distinction.  They sell entertainment products that are better than the average, at competitive prices.”

Is it just me or does this look like EA's paying him to say this?

And after reading the rest of the article it becomes apparent he is yet another person who has no clue.

Is it really that hard to believe that just maybe someone authentically thinks that EA isn't as bad as a lot of people say?  We're a widely varied race with different opinions.  People disagree.  It happens.  Who cares?

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

I don't see how any video game company ever could qualify for that title.  They make video games.  Period.  It's not like they had a giant oil leak that flooded into the gulf of Mexico for three months while no one did a single thing about it.

Exactly.

Calling a company "evil" or "worst company in America" because it makes lousy games is assinine.

Video games are friggen TOYS. I can think of thousands of other much more relevant and important issues facing society today besides playing with TOYS.

Yeah, like, oh I don't know, ANYONE FROM WALLSTREET?  Any company that accepted government bailouts so they could have a bigger bonus maybe?  Have fun paying those extra taxes while you hold the line (people not from America excluded).

[leondes1]

Garlador wrote...

Patcher? The same Patcher who said the Wii was doomed to failure and the 3DS was going to be the end of the Nintendo? That Michael Patcher?

There's a common law; whatever Michael Patcher says, the opposite is true.

Unless he predicts such grand things as "Call of Duty might sell well this year" or "I believe companies losing money might be making bad choices."

Bravo

[LaFawn]

BDelacroix wrote...

Who is Michael Pachter and why should I care?

EA + Bioware paid toadie?

[Reverse Centaur]

DiE231 wrote...

Don't expect game critics to side with fans, big companys like EA have these guys by the balls, last thing they want is to get on their badside and stop being their biatch.

It's all a conspiracy man. They are probably watching us right now....

[Trentgamer]

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I know retake do not want to hear this, but he is probably right when he says that it's about 1% of total customers that are vocally protesting and 10% of customers that were not fully satisfied.

I mean, he is an analyst, and the maths does work out to show the people who will refuse to buy Bioware again as a very very small minority. Something like 80k out of 2.9 million or something.

Retake is little more than a drop in the ocean for Bioware. And the controversy seems to have raised sales, not dropped them.

He's a biased analyst, his statistics are made up and mean nothing.

Also, there is no way EA would be releasing something for free unless it was hurting them. 

Modifié par Trentgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 11:01 .

[Valo_Soren]

I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-

[Jenonax]

Trikormadenadon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Do some people seriously think ME3 is the only reason EA was voted the worst company in America?

I would highly doubt ME3 fan votes are the main contributing factor.

This.

EA are having far worse troubles with FIFA 11 at the moment, for example.  My partner and some of his friends have been paying money (I wont' pretend to know what for, I couldn't care less about FIFA) for some sort of dowloadable stuff they have yet to receive.  They're far from the only ones having this problem.  EA has problems everywhere.  Sims isn't exactly great at the moment either.  

We are far from the only fans sick of EA.

[Jenonax]

Edit - double post

Modifié par Jenonax, 07 avril 2012 - 11:02 .

[Reverse Centaur]

Valo_Soren wrote...

I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-

It's good to know there others out there who get it.

[Jackal7713]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

The Anti-Saint wrote...

BiowarEA must have paid him a handsome sum of cash to do that roundabout PR/DC. EA's stock must be taking some serious hits.

You should see it. Its been really bad for a month now.

Then that explains this bozo coming out from under his rock. The corp he is directly tied to at the hip is taking its licks...and in the process, he's getting burned; might be a shareholder.

Thats way I told people to buy EA stock an short sell it. You'll make money if the stock tanks like it is right now.

[Acidrain92]

Pachter doesnt agree with you "Pfft who is this guy and why should I care?"

Pachter agrees with you "yeah see? Patcher knows what he is talking about."

****ing gamers. I miss the days of oregon trail when we were satisfied with getting dysentery.

[Abraham_uk]

I half agree with Michael Pachter.

I've read the article and I've played and thoroughly enjoyed all three Mass Effect games.
This doesn't mean my opinion is more valid than anyone elses and this doesn't make me "Entitled".

So here goes. I'll start with where I agree and where I disagree.

I agree with the following.


Giving into the demands of fans could set about a worring precident for future games where vocal individuals could stifle creativity.

If you tell a story and then go back and say, "okay that bit at the end didn't actually happen" you create a Dallas scenario where the main character wakes up only to find it was all a dream. Indoctrination theory is brillant (expecially in it's analysis and the amount of evidence in it's defence) but it was clearly not the intention of the developer.


Where I disagree.

Pachter is right about artistic integrity but he ignores the fact that many promises were made about the ending. The entire third game is a fantastic game filled with exciting and emotional moments leading to an anti-climax that destroys the franchise for us fans.

This isn't about giving the fans what they wan, this is about being true to promises made. We will expect everything that was promised. If you cannot deliver on your announcements don't make any announcements. Don't give in to impatient fans waiting for news, just stay quiet.

False advertising is a serious accusation and it is one havily backed by evidence.

Pachter. Sure we're in the minority and sure we're whiny and vocal. Sure we're the kind of people who make a lot of angry comments on BSN that often get ignored, but that doesn't illegitimise the simple fact that promises made by developers weren't kept.

So if this is a precedent for anything, it is a precedent for developers keeping their traps shut and not bombarding us with too many trailers, announcements, interviews and tweets before the game comes out. Bioware if you're going to learn anything from this experience, try not to make any promises before a game comes out. You know how whiny we are. You know will grab you by your clothes and scream in your ear and even refuse to buy another one of your games.

In short! No more PROMISES! Without the promises that bad ending would have just been a BAD ENDING to a fantastic game.

Thank you for reading this.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 07 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[Justin2k]

Trentgamer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I know retake do not want to hear this, but he is probably right when he says that it's about 1% of total customers that are vocally protesting and 10% of customers that were not fully satisfied.

I mean, he is an analyst, and the maths does work out to show the people who will refuse to buy Bioware again as a very very small minority. Something like 80k out of 2.9 million or something.

Retake is little more than a drop in the ocean for Bioware. And the controversy seems to have raised sales, not dropped them.

He's a biased analyst, his statistics are made up and mean nothing.

Also, there is no way EA would be releasing something for free unless it was hurting them. 

Free content was released for ME2 and that was popular.  Pretty sure they released some free stuff for their Madden/Fifa games also.

[FatalX7.0]

Valo_Soren wrote...

I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-

Mature.

[Trentgamer]

Reverse Centaur wrote...

DiE231 wrote...

Don't expect game critics to side with fans, big companys like EA have these guys by the balls, last thing they want is to get on their badside and stop being their biatch.

It's all a conspiracy man. They are probably watching us right now....

it doesn't have to be a conspiracy for it to be true. Money talks. It rules the world. Humans are the only creatures who have to pay to live on this planet and you can be damn well sure all any of this is about is $$$$$. 

Modifié par Trentgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Jackal7713]

Justin2k wrote...

Trentgamer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I know retake do not want to hear this, but he is probably right when he says that it's about 1% of total customers that are vocally protesting and 10% of customers that were not fully satisfied.

I mean, he is an analyst, and the maths does work out to show the people who will refuse to buy Bioware again as a very very small minority. Something like 80k out of 2.9 million or something.

Retake is little more than a drop in the ocean for Bioware. And the controversy seems to have raised sales, not dropped them.

He's a biased analyst, his statistics are made up and mean nothing.

Also, there is no way EA would be releasing something for free unless it was hurting them. 

Free content was released for ME2 and that was popular.  Pretty sure they released some free stuff for their Madden/Fifa games also.

The free stuff on madden sucked.