AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Mr Pachter found a way to hurt his own company by insulting his customers. That's a new one. Very creative. He never done this before. Ghehe.
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
kheldorin wrote...
The sales figure is in the freaking article. Come the **** on. You can type paragraphs of made up statistics but can't be bothered to read the article? I think the silent majority is realizing that the vocal minority are a joke.
Guest_Opsrbest_*
Heres the thing about RTM's asseretion that they plausibly constitute 750,000 to 1.5 million people. And it's this.kheldorin wrote...
Manton-X2 wrote...
Justin2k wrote...
Umm.. how is it made up? Its pretty explained.
But ok, lets say retake has 60,000 members. Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.
Lets say for every 1000 fan in retake, theres 10,000 non vocal fans that agree with them.
thats 600,000. Mass Effect 3 sold 2.8 million copies.
The simple fact is, Retake is certainly a minority.
And the people that agree with Retake do not even make up half of ME3's sales.
You are obviously really really upset at this fact, because all i see is negativity, anger and sadness from you in every post, but unfortunately this is just the truth of the matter. The majority of the fans, whether they liked it, loved it, hated it, do not care enough to say/do anything about it and will not be adversely affected from buying the next bioware title.
Where are people getting these sales figures? Last sales figures I have seen show them at about 2.1million games sold worldwide (and don't forget, a little over 1,000,000 were sold before the ending debacle even surfaced) and in the last sales figures, even with the reduced prices all over they sold ~165,000 in the last week with reported numbers. I know they've shipped about 2.8-3million, but that's not what was sold.
Retake may have ~60,000 members but there are a whole lot of us who are for changing the ending who are not in Retake (myself included). In fact, I wonder how many people who hate the ending are even on BSN or know what Retake is. Further, I wonder how many of the 2.1million have actually finished the game (biggest beef with Chobot is she's defending an ending without having finished the game herself).
Either way .. I think it's safe to say that we're probably talking more than 600,000 people who hate the ending and want it changed in someway. Studies show only 4-8% (depending on which study you subscribe to) of people will openly voice their displeasure in public. By those numbers, you are talking anywhere from 750,000-1.5million people ticked off at the ending enough to want it changed without going beyond Retake numbers. Add in the rest and you go even higher. Add in people who hate the ending, but don't care enough to cause a stink and the numbers go even higher.
I think you're not talking anywhere near a minority hating the ending .... what you may be talking about is a minority of people who hate the ending so much that they refuse to let it go and will keep hammering BioWare to change it over the long haul. You want a true minority, take a look at the number of people who "absolutely love" the ME3 ending and wouldn't change a thing.
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The sales figure is in the freaking article. Come the **** on. You can type paragraphs of made up statistics but can't be bothered to read the article? I think the silent majority is realizing that the vocal minority are a joke.
Modifié par Opsrbest, 07 avril 2012 - 11:24 .
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
Modifié par Reverse Centaur, 07 avril 2012 - 11:26 .
“I am certain that the ‘fan outrage’ has not hurt sales, and perhaps has helped sales,” said Pachter. “Unfortunately, appeasing the whiners here will only encourage fans to be even more vocal next time, so the lingering issue is that gamers will feel even more entitled and empowered than they have in the past, and will be even more demanding about changes to future games.”
Opsrbest wrote...
Heres the thing about RTM's asseretion that they plausibly constitute 750,000 to 1.5 million people. And it's this.
If that was even remotly true, Bioware based on previous performance and examples, would re-release the endings to make people happy.
Modifié par Justin2k, 07 avril 2012 - 11:29 .
Lonsecia wrote...
michael12268 wrote...
I dont like that Michael Pachter guy. He always seemed like he knew everything and came across with an elitist attitude like he was better than us or something. Yeah I can make predictions and stuff too you know. What makes yours so great huh? The only person I do not like that shares the same name as me.
Your surname's Pachter? Or are you saying you like Michael.... Bay?
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
Reverse Centaur wrote...
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
I'm a gamer. What he said is still true. There are A LOT of entitled whiny gamers. Mass Effect 3 is just the latest example of the immaturity within some of the online communities.
I'd also like to point out that even I didn't think the endings were great. They certainly left me wanting a bit. The amount of hate and overreaction by some gamers has just been disgusting.
Even when Bioware reaches out, something they didn't have to do, people continue to show their true colors. It's really embarrassing for reasonable people that both liked and disliked the endings.
Guest_Opsrbest_*
But as a gamer you know thats a true statement. You see it used on other game forums when fans are mad about something. And the best example of that entitlement and the issues it causes is with MMO's. SWTOR or WoW is a prime example of gamers using that very argument to get what they want while threatening to cancel there sub. Theres even, for Bioware related games, the DA:A issue when DA:A was released.Qutayba wrote...
“I am certain that the ‘fan outrage’ has not hurt sales, and perhaps has helped sales,” said Pachter. “Unfortunately, appeasing the whiners here will only encourage fans to be even more vocal next time, so the lingering issue is that gamers will feel even more entitled and empowered than they have in the past, and will be even more demanding about changes to future games.”
Wow. Heaven forbid we have educated, empowered consumers. "Just take what we give you and shut up!"
Modifié par Aweus, 07 avril 2012 - 11:30 .
Valo_Soren wrote...
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
By your logic I should lose my **** every time someone says something about gamers in general even if it is generally correct? Like the lot of you are doing? No thanks. I'd rather let things slide off my back and live my life then worrying about what someone I've never met is saying about gamers 'in general'.
FatalX7.0 wrote...
Reverse Centaur wrote...
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
I'm a gamer. What he said is still true. There are A LOT of entitled whiny gamers. Mass Effect 3 is just the latest example of the immaturity within some of the online communities.
I'd also like to point out that even I didn't think the endings were great. They certainly left me wanting a bit. The amount of hate and overreaction by some gamers has just been disgusting.
Even when Bioware reaches out, something they didn't have to do, people continue to show their true colors. It's really embarrassing for reasonable people that both liked and disliked the endings.
I like the irony here.
Justin2k wrote...
I think that most of #Retake Mass Effect do realise that the people that will actually take their custom away from Bioware because of the ending of ME3 is a small minority of the total sales overall.
Unfortunately there are no numbers to really take, just guesstimates as to what effect this will have on sales. Some even predict sales rising due to the "no publicity is bad publicity".
Personally I think they'll lose DLC sales and maybe sales of upcoming games will be hurt. But if they are selling millions of games, they can afford to lose hundreds of thousands of customers.
Electronic Arts: Crticism.Solmanian wrote...
The gaming community being comprised of (not entirely, but defintely anyone on metacritic) loudmouth crybabies that complain and nitpick an overeact about everything, is not a secret. the whole "EA is worse than a company that throws people out of their homes, and alot of other companies that do some realy monsterous things on a regular basis" is just the latest iteration...Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 07 avril 2012 - 11:32 .
Reverse Centaur wrote...
FatalX7.0 wrote...
Reverse Centaur wrote...
Nyila wrote...
Valo_Soren wrote...
I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug-
Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.
“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."
I'm a gamer. What he said is still true. There are A LOT of entitled whiny gamers. Mass Effect 3 is just the latest example of the immaturity within some of the online communities.
I'd also like to point out that even I didn't think the endings were great. They certainly left me wanting a bit. The amount of hate and overreaction by some gamers has just been disgusting.
Even when Bioware reaches out, something they didn't have to do, people continue to show their true colors. It's really embarrassing for reasonable people that both liked and disliked the endings.
I like the irony here.
You don't even know what irony means.
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