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[arthurhallam]

Reorte wrote...

DavidMW wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

RevenantWolf wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ending-whiners/


What else is new...

he's right. you're whiny idiots

Nice contribution, would you like to insult my mother while you're at it?

Give the pro-enders a break. If they stopped calling anti-enders and Retakers names they'd have to attack their arguments instead (to be fair there have been some doing that but the fact that their usual approach is to simply insult anti-enders speaks volumes about the type of people on that side of the fence).

oh get over yourself. there is no frigging fence. it's a game. & you people are behaving like you've had your world smashed by an oppressive government. 

debates about the endless are pointless when you have a group of people who simply do not wish to engage with any other position than "the end sucks - change it". 

[The Smitchens]

Opsrbest wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

SandMan2012 wrote...

 He very clearly, based off his comments has not read any of the news articles except the one involving the FTC complaint.

Or Forbes' editor decided the parts of the conversation they displayed were more important to the article.  People like to think that Forbes is on their side, and Forbes does too, but ultimately they are going to trust their gut and do what they can to get more people to traffic their site.  Presenting something as ambiguously controversial to any group of people will get them attention.  No press is bad press.  How much traffic do you think they've gotten off that alone?  That translates into dollar signs.

Not that I'm saying Pachter was quoted out of context, not what I'm getting at at all.  But there are ways to sorta guide the mindset regardless and make the article more engaging to be talked about and linked around on places most likely to get traffic.  Right now Forbes' analysts are watching Google Analytics and seeing those numbers climb and climb.

Thats the issue that bothers me when I see Forbes related articles. Using an issue and catagorizing the response to gain general intrest for their own gain while essentially supporting behavior that is detrimental to another.

Well.  That's kinda the grain of salt that comes with news journalism in any case.  On top of that there is the human variable.  No one is going to interpret anything the same way.  Pach's always been blunt on his views about said whiners, so this doesn't really shock me or seem out of context, but still.

And... that's the business.

[Nyila]

Solmanian wrote...

The gaming community being comprised of (not entirely, but defintely anyone on metacritic) loudmouth crybabies that complain and nitpick an overeact about everything, is not a secret. the whole "EA is worse than a company that throws people out of their homes, and alot of other companies that do some realy monsterous things on a regular basis" is just the latest iteration...

You think it's ok for people to get nickel-and-dimed on a daily basis while they're buying products that don't match their description? People can't return games, the money people spend hoping to be entertained, to escape the craptastic daily life, they cannot get it back. That's taking advantage of the customer, on a smaller scale than what the banks do, sure, but it is still wrong.

[DavidMW]

Cyph3rX wrote...

Stop responding to him, he just pops in to troll threads like these.

Ah, Thanks for the heads up. I was starting to wonder...

Modifié par DavidMW, 07 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[Justin2k]

Nyila wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

The gaming community being comprised of (not entirely, but defintely anyone on metacritic) loudmouth crybabies that complain and nitpick an overeact about everything, is not a secret. the whole "EA is worse than a company that throws people out of their homes, and alot of other companies that do some realy monsterous things on a regular basis" is just the latest iteration...

You think it's ok for people to get nickel-and-dimed on a daily basis while they're buying products that don't match their description? People can't return games, the money people spend hoping to be entertained, to escape the craptastic daily life, they cannot get it back. That's taking advantage of the customer, on a smaller scale than what the banks do, sure, but it is still wrong.

Really those people who think they've been lied to should be offered a full refund from Bioware in exchange for just agreeing that it didn't work out and both parties moving on.  That would pretty much resolve everything right there. 

The money they'd lose doing it would probably be worth it as a lot of people wouldn't actually take them up on it, they'd be able to say "well we offered you a refund, shut up".  They'd also have saved on the costs of ending DLC and everything.

[themaltaproject]

N7soldier wrote...

someone should patch his mouth.

Someone should patch your mouth! You people are the most ungrateful bunch I have ever seen. I hate this millenial generation.

[pikey1969]

Opsrbest wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

SandMan2012 wrote...

 He very clearly, based off his comments has not read any of the news articles except the one involving the FTC complaint.

Or Forbes' editor decided the parts of the conversation they displayed were more important to the article.  People like to think that Forbes is on their side, and Forbes does too, but ultimately they are going to trust their gut and do what they can to get more people to traffic their site.  Presenting something as ambiguously controversial to any group of people will get them attention.  No press is bad press.  How much traffic do you think they've gotten off that alone?  That translates into dollar signs.

Not that I'm saying Pachter was quoted out of context, not what I'm getting at at all.  But there are ways to sorta guide the mindset regardless and make the article more engaging to be talked about and linked around on places most likely to get traffic.  Right now Forbes' analysts are watching Google Analytics and seeing those numbers climb and climb.

Thats the issue that bothers me when I see Forbes related articles. Using an issue and catagorizing the response to gain general intrest for their own gain while essentially supporting behavior that is detrimental to another.

I hardly think Retake was detrimental to the industry.

It might have been detrimental to EA and their tendency to tie their studios to incredibly strict timelines or Bioware who at one point shifted from being a games development studio to an art studio when quality standards of of their products had them facing difficult questions they didn't want to answer.

Also, the majority of Forbes articles that covered this issue were 'opinion pieces' rather than works of journalism.

Modifié par pikey1969, 08 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[Nyila]

[quote]Valo_Soren wrote...

[quote]Nyila wrote...

[quote]Valo_Soren wrote...

I don't see why you don't agree with this, he described all you whiners perfectly and is one hundred percent correct in everything he says. -shrug- [/quote]

Are you a gamer? (If not, what the hell are you doing here?) If yes, then he insulted you too.

“That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."

[/quote]

By your logic I should lose my **** every time someone says something about gamers in general even if it is generally correct? Like the lot of you are doing? No thanks. I'd rather let things slide off my back and live my life then worrying about what someone I've never met is saying about gamers 'in general'.

Agreed, except for the fact I didn't ask you to lose anything, but in any case, I recommend cross-stitching, very relaxing! :happy:

[The Anti-Saint]

Oh boy, this thread has all the makings of an all out flame war...someone break out the hose!

[Nyila]

Justin2k wrote...

Nyila wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

The gaming community being comprised of (not entirely, but defintely anyone on metacritic) loudmouth crybabies that complain and nitpick an overeact about everything, is not a secret. the whole "EA is worse than a company that throws people out of their homes, and alot of other companies that do some realy monsterous things on a regular basis" is just the latest iteration...

You think it's ok for people to get nickel-and-dimed on a daily basis while they're buying products that don't match their description? People can't return games, the money people spend hoping to be entertained, to escape the craptastic daily life, they cannot get it back. That's taking advantage of the customer, on a smaller scale than what the banks do, sure, but it is still wrong.

Really those people who think they've been lied to should be offered a full refund from Bioware in exchange for just agreeing that it didn't work out and both parties moving on.  That would pretty much resolve everything right there. 

The money they'd lose doing it would probably be worth it as a lot of people wouldn't actually take them up on it, they'd be able to say "well we offered you a refund, shut up".  They'd also have saved on the costs of ending DLC and everything.

I agree.

[pikey1969]

Opsrbest wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

SandMan2012 wrote...

 He very clearly, based off his comments has not read any of the news articles except the one involving the FTC complaint.

Or Forbes' editor decided the parts of the conversation they displayed were more important to the article.  People like to think that Forbes is on their side, and Forbes does too, but ultimately they are going to trust their gut and do what they can to get more people to traffic their site.  Presenting something as ambiguously controversial to any group of people will get them attention.  No press is bad press.  How much traffic do you think they've gotten off that alone?  That translates into dollar signs.

Not that I'm saying Pachter was quoted out of context, not what I'm getting at at all.  But there are ways to sorta guide the mindset regardless and make the article more engaging to be talked about and linked around on places most likely to get traffic.  Right now Forbes' analysts are watching Google Analytics and seeing those numbers climb and climb.

Thats the issue that bothers me when I see Forbes related articles. Using an issue and catagorizing the response to gain general intrest for their own gain while essentially supporting behavior that is detrimental to another.

I hardly think Retake was detrimental to the industry.

It might have been detrimental to EA and their tendency to tie their studios to incredibly strict timelines or Bioware who at one point shifted from being a games development studio to an art studio when quality standards of of their products had them facing difficult questions they didn't want to answer.

Also, the majority of Forbes articles that covered this issue were 'opinion pieces' rather than works of journalism.

Umm......
I was talking about Forbes.
Thanks for playing the game.

 Using an issue and catagorizing the response to gain general intrest for their own gain while essentially supporting behavior that is detrimental to another 

Given that majority of Forbes articles so far have been more than blatantly in favor of the Retake movement, that statement implies that retake (behavior they supported) is 'detrimental' to another (EA/Bioware), no?

[AtlasMickey]

CapitalOne and Microsoft straight up defrauded me by charging money to an EXPIRED CREDIT CARD to renew XBL Gold, which I didn't want. They wouldn't let me refund it. It's slimy stuff done behind a consumer's back that should warrant a worst company award.

EA gave the world Mirror's Edge, one of the most beautiful works of art ever created, and Mass Effect, gaming's first true epic. Everyone who voted EA deserves to feel every bit as depressed as they claim they already feel. Go outside for the love of all that is good.

[pikey1969]

Ah, you were just talking about that article.

Just about every major press outlets do this now a days.

Lack of physical limitations and the way how ads work online pushes this kind of behavior. You get a lot of filler articles, articles designed merely to provoke higher 'hit' counts, and a general decline in actual editorial integrity/quality.

[Nyila]

Opsrbest wrote...

Forbes speakling on an issue that benifits them by getting the article attention, through use of RTM as a means of support for them, while discouraging benificial behavior to Bioware/EA.

Basically pushing the aggitation of RTM so Forbes can continue to see traffic on their site. Basically being **** disturbers for the gain of Forbes.

That is another thing to be considered. Journalists go where drama is. Clicks = $.

[Omega Torsk]

BDelacroix wrote...

Who is Michael Pachter and why should I care?

[pikey1969]

Opsrbest wrote...

No.

Forbes speakling on an issue that benifits them by getting the article attention, through use of RTM as a means of support for them, while discouraging benificial behavior to Bioware/EA.

Basically pushing the aggitation of RTM so Forbes can continue to see traffic on their site. Basically being **** disturbers for the gain of Forbes.

Oh, I see what you were getting at.

I highly doubt Forbes is being that sinister.

Regardless of the fact that Pachter is not respected by most gamers in general, he is a prominent voice in the 'business' of games. I'ts only natural that Forbes would dedicate an article to his opinion. Maybe the way they articulated that article and its title was to incite extra hits and views, but I don't really think they had a greater ulterior motive.

Modifié par pikey1969, 08 avril 2012 - 12:13 .

[legion999]

AtlasMickey wrote...

CapitalOne and Microsoft straight up defrauded me by charging money to an EXPIRED CREDIT CARD to renew XBL Gold, which I didn't want. They wouldn't let me refund it. It's slimy stuff done behind a consumer's back that should warrant a worst company award.

EA gave the world Mirror's Edge, one of the most beautiful works of art ever created, and Mass Effect, gaming's first true epic. Everyone who voted EA deserves to feel every bit as depressed as they claim they already feel. Go outside for the love of all that is good.

Mass Effect was published by Microsoft. Your post fails. You don't consider the fact that EA has done the same things that you dislike Microsoft and CapitalOne for, that not everyone liked Mirror's Edge and that saying 'go outside' makes you look like an idiot. But of course someone dislikes EA and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.

And EA simply owns the developers of the games you like. They don't make them they provide money and either gain/lose money in return for their investment.

Modifié par legion999, 08 avril 2012 - 12:24 .

[thefallen2far]

Whoever this guy is, he's obviously just a shill with an uniformed opinion. He's like one of those guys who weighs in on a court ruling without knowing the specifics. He started out sayin a few thousand.... there are polls that both supporters and denouncers can support, and there are at leas 65,000 people who hated the ending to 6000 who liked it. The selling price of the game now is a fraction of what it was a month ago. The game and its ending is much less popular than he obviously can understand.
 
As for movie studios.... they change the endings all the fricking time. I hate that analogy. Do you remember that murder mystery movie called Annie Hall? No? Because they edited it into a romantic comedy when a test audience gave it a bad review. Do you remember the original ending to Thelma and Louis... where they resolve the emotional connection to the police officer?... Oh, no wait... they ended it 10 minutes early at the point they drive off a cliff and it became one of the most iconic endings to film because of the focus group. How about Clerks, where the star Donte gets killed in the end in a robbery.... Oh yeah, that was the original release that was recieved badly and the ending was changed to them just saying "see you tomorrow" at the end... because they didn't kill him, he had Clerks 2 [which doesn't mention him getting shot] and a tv cartoon series. That's not even mentioning the thousands of movies that are released on DVD and Bluray with additional content like alternate endings. 

Let's try books. Do you remember how Moriarty killed Sherlocke Holmes and AC Doyle never changed the ending so that he could use him again? Oh wait, he did. Sherlocke Holmes survived his fight with Moriarty and went on to be in 2 more novels [one was Hound of the Baskervilles] and a series of short stories.  And then there's Charles Dickens who was an episodic writer.  He'd publish one chapter every week and guide the book's direction based on fan response.... one of the was called Great Exectations.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 08 avril 2012 - 12:22 .

[Justin2k]

AtlasMickey wrote...

CapitalOne and Microsoft straight up defrauded me by charging money to an EXPIRED CREDIT CARD to renew XBL Gold, which I didn't want. They wouldn't let me refund it. It's slimy stuff done behind a consumer's back that should warrant a worst company award.

EA gave the world Mirror's Edge, one of the most beautiful works of art ever created, and Mass Effect, gaming's first true epic. Everyone who voted EA deserves to feel every bit as depressed as they claim they already feel. Go outside for the love of all that is good.

Microsoft are actually quite nasty.

They auto-renew your XBL subscription and took away the ability to easily unsubscribe on the xbox.  You actually have to call up their customer service in the USA to unsubscribe unless you remember answers to questions you entered like 6 years ago when you signed up and even so you can only unsub on a PC not through the Xbox.

[j78]

Nyila wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Forbes speakling on an issue that benifits them by getting the article attention, through use of RTM as a means of support for them, while discouraging benificial behavior to Bioware/EA.

Basically pushing the aggitation of RTM so Forbes can continue to see traffic on their site. Basically being **** disturbers for the gain of Forbes.

That is another thing to be considered. Journalists go where drama is. Clicks = $.

Absolutely . ME3 has been all any of the gaming sites have been living off for a month .I’m not confident that BW will be able to address all of the concerns we have with the ending. But look at the larger picture we made one of the greediest and hated game publishers give us free DLC not once but twice plus they did it in full view of all the world .It might not be perfect but it’s a lot more then most companies would give us.