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So uh... why didn't the Reaper King just... kill Shepard?


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Mr. Gogeta34

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Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.Image IPB

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 07 avril 2012 - 10:23 .


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Reptilian Rob

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He was laughing too hard at the ending, couldn't focus fire.

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Provo_101

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Because art.

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BECAUSE A FILTHY ORGANIC HAS BREACHED HIS SANCTUM! THE SOLUTION, SHE DOES NOTHZINK!

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The Angry One

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Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?

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FBI-Azzurri

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Harby wanted to let Shepard win, so that we all could see BioWare's "Artistic Vision" with the poorly done twist of the GodChild and the Red/Blue/Green explosions...

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The Angry One wrote...

Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?


Because it could presumably do its own job just as easily as Shepard could? And why offer your own extinction?

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Because he had to calibrate his gun.

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Mr. Gogeta34

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Why would the Catalyst have TIM try to make Shepard "believe?"

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.Image IPB


Because he knew that nothing that Shepard chose would change the outcome he was planning anyway, so he thought it would be fun to **** with him/her....kinda like a rotten lil kid tearing the wings off a fly.

Modifié par xxskyshadowxx, 07 avril 2012 - 10:25 .


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The Angry One

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M0keys wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?


Because it could presumably do its own job just as easily as Shepard could?


Shepard kills more organics in the space of a minute than it could in 100 years. Efficiency.
To say nothing of the fact that, logically, the Catalyst designed the Crucible in the first place. This was his plan.

And why offer your own extinction?


Sociopaths always seek to control the method of their own demise.

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According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me wrong. Wipe Reapers (please don't do this :( ) and prove that organics can rule the galaxy without being doomed to eventual extinction.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.

Modifié par Shallyah, 07 avril 2012 - 10:28 .


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Because he's a ghost. he needs Sheppard to push the damn reset button.

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He wanted to kill him with his bad logic, hell I could feel my braincells in pain.

Modifié par DavidMW, 07 avril 2012 - 10:26 .


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This thread is proof ending haters do not properly understand the ending. If you do not understand this question, you do not understand what happened at the end at all.

Catalyst: "The crucible changed me"

Anyway.. when i saw thread title i thought this would be about Arrival haha.

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They needed a new solution. That was sort of the main thrust of the scene.

Quite why he couldn't decide on his own is a fair question. And why he'd offer destroy or control is another, given they weren't viable solutions to his problem.

I get the distinct impression the extended cut will need to be a boatload of exposition.

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Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me right. Wipe out all current synthetics and in so doing achieve the final stage of my agenda.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.


Fixed that for you.

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The Angry One

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Look, the Catalyst designed the Crucible and left it for organics to find.
It is literally it's "Plan B".

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The Angry One wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me right. Wipe out all current synthetics and in so doing achieve the final stage of my agenda.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.


Fixed that for you.


Except you didn't fix anything. If the agenda of the Reapers was to simply kill synthetics, they would do it. Nothing stops more synthetics from being made in the future.

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The Angry One wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:

*Red - Prove me wrong. Wipe all the Reapers, the Geth and yourself and EDI, and your girlfriend that can't live without implants and, and... (damn what else can I tell him so he doesn't pick this one...  :crying:). Organics can't rule the galaxy without being doomed to eventual extinction anyway...

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those that would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.


Fixed that for you.



Thank you, but it don't need fixing. I reverted it to what it was, it was good as I wrote it.

Modifié par Shallyah, 07 avril 2012 - 10:37 .


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Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.


But Shepard didn't make it to the chamber, Starchild magic'd him there.

"The fact that I brought you to this chamber proves that my solution will no longer work"

Wut?

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Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me wrong. Wipe all current synthetics and prove that organics can rule the galaxy without being doomed to eventual extinction.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.


He just had TIM try to kill Shepard a few moments ago.... after trying to make him "believe."

He controls the entire armada of Reapers and their agents... tried to have Shepard killed just moments before... and is now willing to let him decide what's what?  Just like that?

What happened to the whole "I am beyond your comprehension" peking order and superiority complex of the Reapers?

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because his solution would not work any more, and he is unable to use the solutions made available by the crucible.

Modifié par rachellouise, 07 avril 2012 - 10:34 .


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pistolols wrote...

This thread is proof ending haters do not properly understand the ending. If you do not understand this question, you do not understand what happened at the end at all.

Catalyst: "The crucible changed me"

Anyway.. when i saw thread title i thought this would be about Arrival haha.


Thx 2 space magic and deus ex machina:bandit:

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Provo_101 wrote...

Except you didn't fix anything. If the agenda of the Reapers was to simply kill synthetics, they would do it. Nothing stops more synthetics from being made in the future.


The agenda of the Reapers is based on the Catalyst's warped logic.
The Catalyst's warped logic is that all organics and synthetics can't be trusted, so if they ever reach a point they could be a threat (by building the Crucible) he will simply reset them all to the year zero.
All synthetics destroyed, all current organic civilisation destroyed. In it's mind, this buys "time" and furthers it's agenda.

This also means organics have wasted time and resources building the Crucible instead of defeating the Reapers conventionally, which would be the ONLY way the Reapers actually lose.