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[darkiddd]

because space magic

[Tedler]

Reorte wrote...

Tedler wrote...

What proof is there that the entire Reaper army can be defeated conventionally?

A few destroyers get taken down with relative ease. Some bigger Reapers are seen taking serious-looking damage in the battle, so yes, in theory they could be defeated conventionally if you've got a big enough fleet to destroy them before they destroy you. The implication is that you don't.

Personally I'd have preferred the whole Crucible business to just provide your forces with something to give them a bit of an edge over the Reapers rather than a magic anti-Reaper spray.

Individual Reapers can be destroyed with enough firepower, as we see a number of times in the series--but that's not proof that the entirety of the Reapers' forces can be defeated conventionally. The entire galactic fleet is brought to Earth for the final battle, and it seems like they're losing that battle.

I agree with your statement about the Crucible. The fact that it just shot out a wave of energy that magically destroyed the Reapers seemed a bit silly.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

Trolling, or didn't even try to pay attention to the ending

Sounds like you have some groundbreaking insights... please, share with the class.

[Mushufasa1512]

Yeah of all the plot holes I must say, this is the one that jumped out to me the most. The space whatever is willing to give up his entire solution which he has been implementing for who knows how long because I.... made it up an elevator? But wait, I didn't actually even make it up the elevator, I would have just bled out but he transported me up there. Pretty strange.

[MEGoWH777]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

Trolling, or didn't even try to pay attention to the ending

Sounds like you have some groundbreaking insights... please, share with the class.

Yeah!

[shakey123]

Because it would compromise their artistic integrity, and they will provide more clarification and closure.

[Eyeshield21]

Liber320 wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

But Shepard didn't make it to the chamber, Starchild magic'd him there.

"The fact that I brought you to this chamber proves that my solution will no longer work"

Wut?

space magic:wizard:(now with shirts!)

(I have no idea who made these shirts, or photoshopped, as it were)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 08 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[shrimprahmen]

maybe the crucible was a giant bong that lowered star childs inhibitions.

[AtlasMickey]

Reorte wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

The Catalyst is aware that Shepard has evolved a kind of emotional maturity that surpasses his and has never before been seen in the history of the galaxy. Javik tells us that previous cycles were dominated by ruthless empires who conquered and enslaved the other races. This is what informs the Catalyst's logic. Given the way these empires behaved it was only natural for them to ascend to an ancient race of killing machines who prioritize order over everything else.

So the Catalyst, further influenced by the Crucible, and the fact that Shepard has been building the kinds of alliances that kill Reapers and resist them so strongly, resisting indoctrination even, recognizes that it's time for something new.

If it thought Shepard had a point then it could have the Reapers simply clear off.

But he doesn't have full control over them. When Shepard asks if he has the power to stop the Reapers he says "perhaps." People are assuming the Catalyst is the slave master of the Reapers. Just not true. Each Reaper is a nation.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 08 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[Omega Torsk]

Erm, well... you know, yeah... absolutely...

^ Only explanation I can come up with...

[Ultra Prism]

well technically STAR CHILD killed shepard, by either blowing up citadel in synthesis or destroy .... electric therapy in Control ... seriously its so dumb

[xenu101]

If Bioware can actually make an extended ending DLC that can adequately explain all of the mindnumbing, illogical plotholes they'll win 10 trillion internetz and a Nobel Peace Prize (for whatever that is worth.)

But I've got a feeling that they're just going to fall flat on their faces and make things even worse. By this summer no one will care, and those that do will just watch Youtube instead of wasting anymore time with this trilogy killing failure.

[liggy002]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

The only thing that explains this logically is that the ending was a dream.  Otherwise, it makes zero sense.  To attempt to canonize it makes it probably the worst ending ever seen in a video game.  I mean no personal offense to any of Bioware's employees, but I will say I just hate the ending as is and I am entitled to my opinion.  I am being honest because I love the work they have done in the past and I want them to do better because I know they can.    But this?  No way!

Modifié par liggy002, 08 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[RenownedRyan]

He wanted to torture him with the worst ending imaginable.

[PorcelynDoll]

Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me wrong. Wipe Reapers (please don't do this ) and prove that organics can rule the galaxy without being doomed to eventual extinction.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.

This is why I will never understand why people think choosing control is the good choice.

[halbert986]

It's not about winning or losing. If it is to be believed that the reapers really are the "good guys" and are here to stop us from destroying the galaxy. Then they are only looking for a solution to the chaos. Seeing such a war develop and seeing this one "shepard" make this task such a difficult one for them proves that this solution will no longer work.

The interest in humans in ME2. It's more than just creating a reaper. The humans are the dominant race in this cycle. They're the race that has "brought balance to the force" if you will. They're unique.

The reapers intentions span millions of years, they believe their intervention is necessary, but shepard proved that wrong.

[Riion]

halbert986 wrote...

It's not about winning or losing. If it is to be believed that the reapers really are the "good guys" and are here to stop us from destroying the galaxy. Then they are only looking for a solution to the chaos. Seeing such a war develop and seeing this one "shepard" make this task such a difficult one for them proves that this solution will no longer work.

The interest in humans in ME2. It's more than just creating a reaper. The humans are the dominant race in this cycle. They're the race that has "brought balance to the force" if you will. They're unique.

The reapers intentions span millions of years, they believe their intervention is necessary, but shepard proved that wrong.

"The humans are the dominant race in this cycle. They're the race that has "brought balance to the force" if you will. They're unique."
...
Sorry, couldn't resist. 

Modifié par Riion, 08 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[ahandsomeshark]

I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS AND ASKING THIS.

either 1. he should have stopped the reapers from trying to kill Shepard on his way to the citadel or 2. he should have killed him. THE ENTIRE GAME POST COMPLETION OF THE CRUCIBLE MAKES NO SENSE.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Reorte wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

The Catalyst is aware that Shepard has evolved a kind of emotional maturity that surpasses his and has never before been seen in the history of the galaxy. Javik tells us that previous cycles were dominated by ruthless empires who conquered and enslaved the other races. This is what informs the Catalyst's logic. Given the way these empires behaved it was only natural for them to ascend to an ancient race of killing machines who prioritize order over everything else.

So the Catalyst, further influenced by the Crucible, and the fact that Shepard has been building the kinds of alliances that kill Reapers and resist them so strongly, resisting indoctrination even, recognizes that it's time for something new.

If it thought Shepard had a point then it could have the Reapers simply clear off.

But he doesn't have full control over them. When Shepard asks if he has the power to stop the Reapers he says "perhaps." People are assuming the Catalyst is the slave master of the Reapers. Just not true. Each Reaper is a nation.

He doesn't say "perhaps" in an unsure way.  He says it regarding whether or not he personally wants to do it.  Because right after, he confirms that he indeed does "control the Reapers."

[LystAP]

Provo_101 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me right. Wipe out all current synthetics and in so doing achieve the final stage of my agenda.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.

Fixed that for you.

Except you didn't fix anything. If the agenda of the Reapers was to simply kill synthetics, they would do it. Nothing stops more synthetics from being made in the future.

But it still verifies that the ultimate solution to deal with synthetics is to kill them. What bugs me is that despite all of our experiences, all of our actions, we couldn't come up with a option that even the Catalyst itself did not consider. 

[tractrpl]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

This is why I will never understand why people think choosing control is the good choice.

Why am I the only one that thought "Well, what if I take control of them, and then send them all into the nearest star/black hole"? That way, I can kill them without also killing EDI and the Geth.

[Peranor]

liggy002 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

The only thing that explains this logically is that the ending was a dream.  Otherwise, it makes zero sense.  To attempt to canonize it makes it probably the worst ending ever seen in a video game.  I mean no personal offense to any of Bioware's employees, but I will say I just hate the ending as is and I am entitled to my opinion.  I am being honest because I love the work they have done in the past and I want them to do better because I know they can.    But this?  No way!

Yeah. I can't come up with a better explanation either. It was all a dream

With a ending so full of holes and nonsense it's no wonder that people could actually make it sound like the Indoctrination theory made sense.

But personally im a follower of the incompetence Theory. Or the Intoxication Theory. Or maybe the two of them combined.

[jengelb1]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

This is why I will never understand why people think choosing control is the good choice.

[b]*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide your...WAIT!!! What are you doing?! Why are they all flying into the sun?! STOP! Please!!! It wasn't supposed to work like this. (Starchild is throwing the mother of all tantrums at this point) You need us! You need us! Don't do this Shepard!! Don't do this! YOU CAN'T DO THIS!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!

He slowly disappears.

Cut to Harbinger as he starts to melt from the heat of the sun, his yellow eyes turn bright blue. He screams in rage, pain, and terror as he is slowly melted alive, just like his trillions of victims. The last words he hears are: "ASSUMING. DIRECT. CONTROL. MOTHERF*****R.".

A little head canon and control becomes quite satisfying actually.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Don't give em any more hair brained ideas for future Detritus Loaded Crap.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS AND ASKING THIS.

either 1. he should have stopped the reapers from trying to kill Shepard on his way to the citadel or 2. he should have killed him. THE ENTIRE GAME POST COMPLETION OF THE CRUCIBLE MAKES NO SENSE.

Almost seems as if the Crucible turned the Catalyst from the "I lie to all Organics to make them my slaves" King of the Reapers to... "Organics are greater than I/Was just joking when I tried to get Marauder Shields and TIM to kill you and I really want to allow you to do what you want" King of the Reapers...

...right?