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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Seriously... no comment/defense/explanation Bioware?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2012 - 08:56 .

[Dendio1]

The beam disrupts targeting systems remember?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Dendio1 wrote...

The beam disrupts targeting systems remember?

Only on guided missles

[doodiebody]

Because BioWare wanted to steal the endings from the original Deus Ex and then call it their "artistic vision."

[nevar00]

Shepard showing up there and getting that far proved his solution to be false.


...because apparently organics creating a super weapon and almost getting it running to stop a fleet of evil space robo-crab things somehow proves that synthetics do not necessarily need to kill advanced organics to stop them from creating organic-killing synthetics. Yes, it's ****ing stupid.

[Spongecakes]

Why are we discussing the motivations of this god child when it has become perfectly clear that the writer behind this horrible plot device didn't actually think this through at all.
It has no motivations because the writer did not intend for it to have any because SPECULATIONS.

That's what I hate about the Indoctrination Theory, it's giving the guy credit for something the fans came up with.

Just take everything at face value so you keep understanding how absolutely stupid this whole thing is. I know it hurts, but you need to stay angry.

[Ziggeh]

nevar00 wrote...
Shepard showing up there and getting that far proved his solution to be false.

...because apparently organics creating a super weapon and almost getting it running to stop a fleet of evil space robo-crab things somehow proves that synthetics do not necessarily need to kill advanced organics to stop them from creating organic-killing synthetics. Yes, it's ****ing stupid.

Or....because almost getting it running is proof that their solution isn't infallible? That given enough time they'll ultimately fail. He's not saying the problem no longer exists, which is why he says they need a new solution rather than just throwing up his hands and going "well that's a few trillion years I won't get back".

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ziggeh wrote...

nevar00 wrote...
Shepard showing up there and getting that far proved his solution to be false.

...because apparently organics creating a super weapon and almost getting it running to stop a fleet of evil space robo-crab things somehow proves that synthetics do not necessarily need to kill advanced organics to stop them from creating organic-killing synthetics. Yes, it's ****ing stupid.

Or....because almost getting it running is proof that their solution isn't infallible? That given enough time they'll ultimately fail. He's not saying the problem no longer exists, which is why he says they need a new solution rather than just throwing up his hands and going "well that's a few trillion years I won't get back".

But they stopped it... they have the Crucible and practically all of its data (via TIM).  If anything, it would suggest having shorter cycles... so that a united front would still pose no challenge...

Or better yet... how about not uniting the galaxy via the Citadel and Mass Relays?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[nevar00]

Ziggeh wrote...

nevar00 wrote...
Shepard showing up there and getting that far proved his solution to be false.

...because apparently organics creating a super weapon and almost getting it running to stop a fleet of evil space robo-crab things somehow proves that synthetics do not necessarily need to kill advanced organics to stop them from creating organic-killing synthetics. Yes, it's ****ing stupid.

Or....because almost getting it running is proof that their solution isn't infallible? That given enough time they'll ultimately fail. He's not saying the problem no longer exists, which is why he says they need a new solution rather than just throwing up his hands and going "well that's a few trillion years I won't get back".

Well the fact is they did not get it up and running and would not have, if not for the Catalyst's assistance.  And he basically did give up as he allowed Shepard the opportunity the fix the issue another way by himself.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Yeah, Shepard would not have succeeded if not for the Catalyst's help.

[Keatstwo]

Perhaps the catalyst has been inactive since the inception of the reapers and is reactivated by the crucible? This would explain why the reapers claim they are independant (though they'd still be following base programming set down at their creation to go forth and reap every 50k years they might believe they do it of their own will).

So perhaps the crucible also modifies the programming of the catalyst, and whilst he too is bound by his original programming to some extent and won't simply recall the reapers he is able to offer you these three loopholes which the crucible has created in his programming? To this end he creates physical manifestations of these options so that Shephard can interface with them directly (the control pillars and the destroy tubes, I guess the synthesis beam is already there).

He then brings Shephard (as the nearest living true sentience) up to the space platform place to make the decision as commanded by his new programming, which whilst changed by the crucible, doesn't allow him to directly enact a change in the cycle by calling off the reapers himself (like your boss at work, he controls you to some extent, but only within the boundaries of your job; he can't tell you what career you should be pursuing or what you should have for dinner but he can tell you how to carry out the job you're doing).

And uhh....that's the best i've got.

[Keatstwo]

But yeah I can't really come up with any convoluted handwaving reasoning for why Harbinger doesn't make sure you're dead and flies away from the only entrance to the citadel. Guess he just got cocky and assumed that you were done, doesn't explain why he leaves the guy who's still crawling around or how he lets Anderson get up though :/ Maybe his reaper pals call him over to deal with something else and he assumes the reaper ground forces will protect the beam. Guess he didn't take into account unlimited ammo slow motion pistols eh :|

[a.m.p]

I have a better one. Why didn't the catalyst ignore Shepard?
So Shepard has opened the arms, the crucible docks, so what? Let them pass out in the control room, don't turn on the metaphorical elevator and continue reaping at your own conveniece.

Modifié par a.m.p, 09 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[Keatstwo]

Best answer I can come up with is that the crucible changes his programming forcing him to seek advice from the nearest organic sentience, otherwise yeah, it'd make more sense for him to just leave Shepard to die and carry on as normal.

[a.m.p]

Keatstwo wrote...

Best answer I can come up with is that the crucible changes his programming forcing him to seek advice from the nearest organic sentience, otherwise yeah, it'd make more sense for him to just leave Shepard to die and carry on as normal.

Somebody should make a full manual for the crucible. It's sooo multifunctional.
I guess that's what you get when people work on it for billions of years without understanding what they are working on.

[Aurica]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

Good one there... I never understood this at all..
The all powerful catalyst who controls the Reapers could easily have tons of Reaper Ground troops guarding within the citadel yet we encounter none.

I mean with Anderson and Shepard in their current bloodied and injured form, it can't that HARD to finish them off right?  Geez... either the god child isn't as smart as he should be or its a freaking massive plot hole.

I still can't believe BW gave us this ending that made absolutely no sense at all when they are fully capable of delivering an awesome and emotional story from ME1, ME2 and first 95% of ME3....  

Modifié par Aurica, 09 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Keatstwo]

a.m.p wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

Best answer I can come up with is that the crucible changes his programming forcing him to seek advice from the nearest organic sentience, otherwise yeah, it'd make more sense for him to just leave Shepard to die and carry on as normal.

Somebody should make a full manual for the crucible. It's sooo multifunctional.
I guess that's what you get when people work on it for billions of years without understanding what they are working on.

Yeah it doesn't really make any sense that they can build it without knowing what it does and it can still effect a specific change. It'd kinda make sense if the entire plans had been lain down by one species (perhaps by other members of whatever species created the reapers who felt they weren't the right solution), but I don't really get how other species can have added to the plans throughout the cycle. How could they possible understand what effect their additions would have? Ugh.

[Silpheed58]

"I defeated the reapers, I punched the reaper king."

[Sundance31us]

The Reaper King needed someone to play Frederic in The Reapers of Penzance; the entire end scene was an audition.

[Nightdragon8]

there is only a few people who even can answer that question, and thats the ones who wrote the scenes.... and they are being extremely hush hush about the whole thing.... I wouldn't doubt they are hiding out int here homes for awhile to prevent tehre naghbors from staring holes into there heads.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Keatstwo wrote...

But yeah I can't really come up with any convoluted handwaving reasoning for why Harbinger doesn't make sure you're dead and flies away from the only entrance to the citadel. Guess he just got cocky and assumed that you were done, doesn't explain why he leaves the guy who's still crawling around or how he lets Anderson get up though :/ Maybe his reaper pals call him over to deal with something else and he assumes the reaper ground forces will protect the beam. Guess he didn't take into account unlimited ammo slow motion pistols eh :|

The problem there is that the Crucible hadn't opened until after TIM died.


1.  Why didn't they have TIM just kill Shepard?  Why did TIM/the Reaper King want Shepard "to believe"?

2.  After TIM died, the Reaper King still had a full 5-10 seconds to realize it and send troops over to destroy Shepard and Anderson... why didn't he?   Heck, remember ME1?  Why didn't Harbinger or some other Reaper pull a Sovereign and hijack TIM's body?  They already controlled him... and Shepard was already nearly dead.

3.  Heck, even after the relay opened, why didn't any Reapers try to destroy the Crucible (but are seen wiping out everyone while you make your color choice?  Where was Harbinger and the rest of the Reapers against the Cruicible?  TIM already told them about it... so they all know what the Crucible does... (that's why they moved the Citadel to Earth... right?)

4.  Why did Harbinger/etc. even leave the beam on?  They know there's more ground forces that need to get to the Beam to open the Arms... so... what?


It just doesn't make sense...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 10 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Grasich]

Because plot.

Also Space Magic.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Grasich wrote...

Because plot.

Also Space Magic.

It doesn't make sense...

[shepard1038]

Because Shepard is more difficult to kill than a roach.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

shepard1038 wrote...

Because Shepard is more difficult to kill than a roach.

But but Shepard was almost dead that time...