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[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Seriously... no comment/defense/explanation Bioware?

"I-it is not a thing you can comprehend!"

[Juustus]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

Artistic Integrity.

[Catroi]

no nooooooooooooo
it is not a thing you can comprehend

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Seriously... no comment/defense/explanation Bioware?

"I-it is not a thing you can comprehend!"

Is there someone who can?

[Lookout1390]

Why would Bioware make such a ****ty ending?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I'm honestly not sure, I'd love to hear an answer.

[ArchLord James]

The Angry One wrote...

Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?

THIS!

Seriously, it doesnt make any sense. The catalyst says because " the first organic is ever" is standing before him it is "proof that my solution will not work anymore."  UHHHH really? because apparantly the reapers are unbeatable through conventional tactics so all the catalyst has to do is sit by and watch the victory fleet get decimated by the unstoppable reapers and then continue harvesting organics of the cycle. So the answer to your question is. . . uhhhhh cause art duh. lol

[ctanctan]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Taking the plot at face value... why would the Catalyst, King of the Reapers... let Shepard just "win?"

He was almost dead to begin with... and we already know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers... so why wasn't a new Marauder Shields sent up while they were talking to blow Shepard away?

Why does the Catalyst roughly say "Hey Shepard, if you want to destroy us go ahead, I won't stop you... feel free to do whatever you want."?


Bioware... you have the floor.

He was dumbstruck by biowares decision to actually use him in the game

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ArchLord James wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?

THIS!

Seriously, it doesnt make any sense. The catalyst says because " the first organic is ever" is standing before him it is "proof that my solution will not work anymore."  UHHHH really? because apparantly the reapers are unbeatable through conventional tactics so all the catalyst has to do is sit by and watch the victory fleet get decimated by the unstoppable reapers and then continue harvesting organics of the cycle. So the answer to your question is. . . uhhhhh cause art duh. lol

Not to mention that the Reapers already know about the Crucible (thanks to TIM)... which is why they brought the Citadel to London...

So uh... why didn't they damage/destroy the Cruicible?  Where did all the Reapers go while it was docking at the Citadel (yet during the color choice, the Reapers are flying around destroying everything)?

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Actually, apparently they did not go anywhere. If you wait for a bit without making crazy choices kid gives you, you will get endgame screen "Crucible Was Destroyed". So I assume this means they win? (it does not elaborate what happens after).
Question is - why did he present you with choices he could just wait for a bit for Reaper fleet to gain upper edge and destroy Crucible anyway?

He really should run some diagnostics on himself. Probably browsed dodgy extranet sites and got contaminated with rootkits

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 11 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[tvman099]

"The cycle won't work anymore...even though my Reapers will still kill everyone and proceed to harvest everything if I just kill you instead of letting you pick a color."

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Shallyah wrote...

According himself, that a human had made it into that chamber proved that his "Solution" was no longer valid.

He gives you three choices:


*Red - Prove me wrong. Wipe Reapers (please don't do this ) and prove that organics can rule the galaxy without being doomed to eventual extinction.

*Blue - Prove me right. Control the Reapers as if you were me, sooner or later you will see my logic in your own eyes and cause mass genocide yourself.

*Green - Prove me even more right. Synthetics and Organics can not coexist. So make us all the same. Nevermind those who wouldn't consent on messing with their genes, or those thta would prefer to die rather than become half synthetic, we're not asking them anyway.

The solution was no longer valid thing makes no sense. He was the one that set up the magical elevator to bring you up.
Also the part where you get shot down by Harbinger, he could have clearly killed you, so when the starkid says "My solution no longer works because you made it up here" it makes no sense.

[xenu101]

The rEApers were made by an advanced civilization of gameshow hosts. If you find the secret Crucible plans, run the Husk gauntlet, and make it to through the teleporter to the Citadel before time runs out: You save the universe!

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Actually, apparently they did not go anywhere. If you wait for a bit without making crazy choices kid gives you, you will get endgame screen "Crucible Was Destroyed". So I assume this means they win? (it does not elaborate what happens after).
Question is - why did he present you with choices he could just wait for a bit for Reaper fleet to gain upper edge and destroy Crucible anyway?

Yeah, it doesn't make sense...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Bioware, feel free to explain to us your "own ideas about how to design games and stories" regarding this. I would really like to know how this was rationalized... considering how proud you are of this vision, it should be easily and readily explained.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 12 avril 2012 - 09:18 .

[firebreather19]

The Angry One wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

Except you didn't fix anything. If the agenda of the Reapers was to simply kill synthetics, they would do it. Nothing stops more synthetics from being made in the future.

The agenda of the Reapers is based on the Catalyst's warped logic.
The Catalyst's warped logic is that all organics and synthetics can't be trusted, so if they ever reach a point they could be a threat (by building the Crucible) he will simply reset them all to the year zero.
All synthetics destroyed, all current organic civilisation destroyed. In it's mind, this buys "time" and furthers it's agenda.

This also means organics have wasted time and resources building the Crucible instead of defeating the Reapers conventionally, which would be the ONLY way the Reapers actually lose.

The reapers can't be beaten conventionally. Even the fleets know that. They don't go to war to fight the reapers, they go to give Shepard time to detonate the super Crucible weapon. They would all be obliterated by the reapers. 

[firebreather19]

ArchLord James wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?

THIS!

Seriously, it doesnt make any sense. The catalyst says because " the first organic is ever" is standing before him it is "proof that my solution will not work anymore."  UHHHH really? because apparantly the reapers are unbeatable through conventional tactics so all the catalyst has to do is sit by and watch the victory fleet get decimated by the unstoppable reapers and then continue harvesting organics of the cycle. So the answer to your question is. . . uhhhhh cause art duh. lol

You assume it desires to have the Reapers do what they do. There's a difference between want and must...where at one point the Catalyst could have decided the fate of the galaxy (and did), Shepard now has that same decision to make. 

AI are capable of being confused. EDI even is at some point before Shep helps her clarify. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Someone on here mentioned that the Cruicible gets destroyed if you don't make a decision fast enough...


If The Reaper King wanted Shepard to make a choice? Why would he have the Reapers destroy the Crucible? It doesn't make sense.

[firebreather19]

Ever considered the Catalyst isn't controlling the Reapers anymore? That he put them into motion but doesn't actively control them?

[Spectre Impersonator]

Because the writers of the ending put less thought into it than you did.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Someone on here mentioned that the Cruicible gets destroyed if you don't make a decision fast enough...


If The Reaper King wanted Shepard to make a choice? Why would he have the Reapers destroy the Crucible? It doesn't make sense.

Some people found the defence "he just wants you to make a choice (for its own reasons you maybe can't comprehend)". I've summarized it here - social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11285857

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Someone on here mentioned that the Cruicible gets destroyed if you don't make a decision fast enough...


If The Reaper King wanted Shepard to make a choice? Why would he have the Reapers destroy the Crucible? It doesn't make sense.

Some people found the defence "he just wants you to make a choice (for its own reasons you maybe can't comprehend)". I've summarized it here - social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11285857

Assuming one of the posters here is right (never tested it myself)... why would the Crucible be destroyed if the Catalyst actually wants you to make a choice?

[incinerator950]

firebreather19 wrote...

ArchLord James wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why kill Shepard when it could have Shepard do it's job for it?

THIS!

Seriously, it doesnt make any sense. The catalyst says because " the first organic is ever" is standing before him it is "proof that my solution will not work anymore."  UHHHH really? because apparantly the reapers are unbeatable through conventional tactics so all the catalyst has to do is sit by and watch the victory fleet get decimated by the unstoppable reapers and then continue harvesting organics of the cycle. So the answer to your question is. . . uhhhhh cause art duh. lol

You assume it desires to have the Reapers do what they do. There's a difference between want and must...where at one point the Catalyst could have decided the fate of the galaxy (and did), Shepard now has that same decision to make. 

AI are capable of being confused. EDI even is at some point before Shep helps her clarify. 

Yay

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Assuming one of the posters here is right (never tested it myself)... why would the Crucible be destroyed if the Catalyst actually wants you to make a choice?

For some reason he wants you to make a choice quickly. The only "sane" reason I could see is that he's enjoying seeing you agonizing over deciding fates of civilizations in limited time you have.
If he's insane, no need for reason. He just want's you to choose without dithering, it's so amuzing.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 13 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[Tritium315]

Because Harby having ****ty aim proves the reaper solution no longer works.

Edit: Also, Art.

Modifié par Tritium315, 13 avril 2012 - 12:43 .