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[Elecbender]

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

[jotun04]

1. Health regen
2. Resistance to being staggered
3. Immunity to instant kills


Also I find it ironic that krograns and turians suck against brutes (which are made of krogan+turian) since they can't roll out of the way

Modifié par jotun04, 08 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[Stardusk]

Elecbender wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

Just another guy who thinks you should be able to melee everything to death on Gold without penalty. He doesn't know how to play a Krogan. That's it.

[Sevrun]

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

In other words, Flamko, don't melee. Don't take melee upgrades. Instead, take damage reduction and shield/health instead. Then hide behind cover like everybody else but have worse cool downs and worse power damage.

Krogan melee is crap even if you invest fully into it. Don't believe the hype. Melee is for bronze only and the upgrades are wasted there.

Maybe you don't play vanguards very much. But, if you don't get charge back up in a second, you are a dead vanguard. Krogan Vanguard is going to be crap if they design it with the same nonsense they did the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel.

Also, falcon beats shotgun.  Krogans and shotguns perfect together is another lie.

Wow, just wow.

So he's never seen me charge a group of Cannibals/Marauders and tear them all limb from limb in silver.  Doesn't understand that this is the only time the Krogan moves faster than a snail and truly ROCKS.  One of my most entertaining matches was with another Krogan Soldier just running through on a rampage.  Our sniper quit on us and we never noticed.  Very hard for a Banshee to insta-kill someone when his battle buddy does a rampaging charge followed up by a butt-load of buckshot.

The Vanguard is another area he's just... wow.  I do just fine with my vanguard usually.  Just like any other character you have to play it smart or you're taking a dirt-nap.  If he's like most charge/nova spammers this is around wave 4 and every way afterward because he can't figure out the enemy are getting tougher.

[Stardusk]

Sevrun wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

In other words, Flamko, don't melee. Don't take melee upgrades. Instead, take damage reduction and shield/health instead. Then hide behind cover like everybody else but have worse cool downs and worse power damage.

Krogan melee is crap even if you invest fully into it. Don't believe the hype. Melee is for bronze only and the upgrades are wasted there.

Maybe you don't play vanguards very much. But, if you don't get charge back up in a second, you are a dead vanguard. Krogan Vanguard is going to be crap if they design it with the same nonsense they did the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel.

Also, falcon beats shotgun.  Krogans and shotguns perfect together is another lie.

Wow, just wow.

So he's never seen me charge a group of Cannibals/Marauders and tear them all limb from limb in silver.  Doesn't understand that this is the only time the Krogan moves faster than a snail and truly ROCKS.  One of my most entertaining matches was with another Krogan Soldier just running through on a rampage.  Our sniper quit on us and we never noticed.  Very hard for a Banshee to insta-kill someone when his battle buddy does a rampaging charge followed up by a butt-load of buckshot.

The Vanguard is another area he's just... wow.  I do just fine with my vanguard usually.  Just like any other character you have to play it smart or you're taking a dirt-nap.  If he's like most charge/nova spammers this is around wave 4 and every way afterward because he can't figure out the enemy are getting tougher.

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

Modifié par Stardusk, 08 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[lolpunch]

jotun04 wrote...
Also I find it ironic that krograns and turians suck against brutes (which are made of krogan+turian) since they can't roll out of the way

Krogan don't need to roll out of the way.  They can heavy melee Brutes as they charge, avoiding the most dangerous part of it and ending up behind the Brute out of harm's way.  

[Ean_Txelan]

Krogan soldier with a Revenent = WIN!

[Blind2Society]

Stardusk wrote...

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

Which are, don't play them like a Krogan, play them like every other character?

So what then is the point of a Krogan exactly, just a giant character skin to take up half the screen?

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

jotun04 wrote...

1. Health regen
2. Resistance to being staggered
3. Immunity to instant kills


Also I find it ironic that krograns and turians suck against brutes (which are made of krogan+turian) since they can't roll out of the way

if your charge a brute while hes charging at you as a krogan he'll ussually only do 1/4 of your shield damge on silver and half on gold. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

In other words, Flamko, don't melee. Don't take melee upgrades. Instead, take damage reduction and shield/health instead. Then hide behind cover like everybody else but have worse cool downs and worse power damage.

Krogan melee is crap even if you invest fully into it. Don't believe the hype. Melee is for bronze only and the upgrades are wasted there.

Maybe you don't play vanguards very much. But, if you don't get charge back up in a second, you are a dead vanguard. Krogan Vanguard is going to be crap if they design it with the same nonsense they did the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel.

Also, falcon beats shotgun.  Krogans and shotguns perfect together is another lie.

Wow, just wow.

So he's never seen me charge a group of Cannibals/Marauders and tear them all limb from limb in silver.  Doesn't understand that this is the only time the Krogan moves faster than a snail and truly ROCKS.  One of my most entertaining matches was with another Krogan Soldier just running through on a rampage.  Our sniper quit on us and we never noticed.  Very hard for a Banshee to insta-kill someone when his battle buddy does a rampaging charge followed up by a butt-load of buckshot.

The Vanguard is another area he's just... wow.  I do just fine with my vanguard usually.  Just like any other character you have to play it smart or you're taking a dirt-nap.  If he's like most charge/nova spammers this is around wave 4 and every way afterward because he can't figure out the enemy are getting tougher.

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

I wouldn't call what you did effective.
Atleast not compared to other classes. You were able to get that far in gold solo due to skill not class choice or talent build. You could have done better with just about any other class if you learned their mechanics. 

[Stardusk]

Blind2Society wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

Which are, don't play them like a Krogan, play them like every other character?

So what then is the point of a Krogan exactly, just a giant character skin to take up half the screen?

So the general consensus is that Krogans should be invincible. Krogans are not played like every other character, they still have their own unique style but this debate has been going on for a while. A few buffs here or there would be nice but Krogans are still fine as they are now.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

Just another guy who thinks you should be able to melee everything to death on Gold without penalty. He doesn't know how to play a Krogan. That's it.

The Krogan should be able to melee most things on gold while remaining effective. Currently half of his Skill tree is completley useless since it centers around melee

[Stardusk]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

In other words, Flamko, don't melee. Don't take melee upgrades. Instead, take damage reduction and shield/health instead. Then hide behind cover like everybody else but have worse cool downs and worse power damage.

Krogan melee is crap even if you invest fully into it. Don't believe the hype. Melee is for bronze only and the upgrades are wasted there.

Maybe you don't play vanguards very much. But, if you don't get charge back up in a second, you are a dead vanguard. Krogan Vanguard is going to be crap if they design it with the same nonsense they did the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel.

Also, falcon beats shotgun.  Krogans and shotguns perfect together is another lie.

Wow, just wow.

So he's never seen me charge a group of Cannibals/Marauders and tear them all limb from limb in silver.  Doesn't understand that this is the only time the Krogan moves faster than a snail and truly ROCKS.  One of my most entertaining matches was with another Krogan Soldier just running through on a rampage.  Our sniper quit on us and we never noticed.  Very hard for a Banshee to insta-kill someone when his battle buddy does a rampaging charge followed up by a butt-load of buckshot.

The Vanguard is another area he's just... wow.  I do just fine with my vanguard usually.  Just like any other character you have to play it smart or you're taking a dirt-nap.  If he's like most charge/nova spammers this is around wave 4 and every way afterward because he can't figure out the enemy are getting tougher.

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

I wouldn't call what you did effective.
Atleast not compared to other classes. You were able to get that far in gold solo due to skill not class choice or talent build. You could have done better with just about any other class if you learned their mechanics. 

Every class requires some skill, some more than others, Krogans just have a higher learning curve than say a Salarian Engineer, which is Decoy>Shoot>Energy Drain, repeat. You are partially right I know the mechanics of all classes so a Salarian Engineer would be easier or an Infiltrator but they just have less of a learning curve.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

Which are, don't play them like a Krogan, play them like every other character?

So what then is the point of a Krogan exactly, just a giant character skin to take up half the screen?

So the general consensus is that Krogans should be invincible. Krogans are not played like every other character, they still have their own unique style but this debate has been going on for a while. A few buffs here or there would be nice but Krogans are still fine as they are now.

We don't want fine. We want competitive. Just about everyone on these forums agree that Krogan are among the worst classes for gold we have some of the worst power potions and the worst passives. The only real advantage we have is our sprint speed which is nice but dosen't save you from the geth stagger lock all the time or always able to get you away from banshees/phantoms in time. 

[Stardusk]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

Just another guy who thinks you should be able to melee everything to death on Gold without penalty. He doesn't know how to play a Krogan. That's it.

The Krogan should be able to melee most things on gold while remaining effective. Currently half of his Skill tree is completley useless since it centers around melee

So they should not be able to die. Honestly, how much damage should the Krogan be able to take, 10,000 Health and Shields?

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

In other words, Flamko, don't melee. Don't take melee upgrades. Instead, take damage reduction and shield/health instead. Then hide behind cover like everybody else but have worse cool downs and worse power damage.

Krogan melee is crap even if you invest fully into it. Don't believe the hype. Melee is for bronze only and the upgrades are wasted there.

Maybe you don't play vanguards very much. But, if you don't get charge back up in a second, you are a dead vanguard. Krogan Vanguard is going to be crap if they design it with the same nonsense they did the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel.

Also, falcon beats shotgun.  Krogans and shotguns perfect together is another lie.

Wow, just wow.

So he's never seen me charge a group of Cannibals/Marauders and tear them all limb from limb in silver.  Doesn't understand that this is the only time the Krogan moves faster than a snail and truly ROCKS.  One of my most entertaining matches was with another Krogan Soldier just running through on a rampage.  Our sniper quit on us and we never noticed.  Very hard for a Banshee to insta-kill someone when his battle buddy does a rampaging charge followed up by a butt-load of buckshot.

The Vanguard is another area he's just... wow.  I do just fine with my vanguard usually.  Just like any other character you have to play it smart or you're taking a dirt-nap.  If he's like most charge/nova spammers this is around wave 4 and every way afterward because he can't figure out the enemy are getting tougher.

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

I wouldn't call what you did effective.
Atleast not compared to other classes. You were able to get that far in gold solo due to skill not class choice or talent build. You could have done better with just about any other class if you learned their mechanics. 

Every class requires some skill, some more than others, Krogans just have a higher learning curve than say a Salarian Engineer, which is Decoy>Shoot>Energy Drain, repeat. You are partially right I know the mechanics of all classes so a Salarian Engineer would be easier or an Infiltrator but they just have less of a learning curve.

But the learning curve has no reward. I wouldn't mind the Krogan being so hard to master if it were worth it. As it is now i can just pick up the Salarian infilly and use any weapon and pick a herp a derp talent build without knowing what i'm doing and have more dps and survivability than the most masterful of Krogan. 

[Stardusk]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

Which are, don't play them like a Krogan, play them like every other character?

So what then is the point of a Krogan exactly, just a giant character skin to take up half the screen?

So the general consensus is that Krogans should be invincible. Krogans are not played like every other character, they still have their own unique style but this debate has been going on for a while. A few buffs here or there would be nice but Krogans are still fine as they are now.

We don't want fine. We want competitive. Just about everyone on these forums agree that Krogan are among the worst classes for gold we have some of the worst power potions and the worst passives. The only real advantage we have is our sprint speed which is nice but dosen't save you from the geth stagger lock all the time or always able to get you away from banshees/phantoms in time. 

Any class will only be as good as the player using it at the end of the day. Just how invincible should Krogan be? Grunt still died lots in ME2 so I guess he wasn't invincible enough.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

Just another guy who thinks you should be able to melee everything to death on Gold without penalty. He doesn't know how to play a Krogan. That's it.

The Krogan should be able to melee most things on gold while remaining effective. Currently half of his Skill tree is completley useless since it centers around melee

So they should not be able to die. Honestly, how much damage should the Krogan be able to take, 10,000 Health and Shields?

Where did i say that? why does being able to melee=Invincibility to you? 
They all need a mechanic similar to vanguards shield recharge charge that allows hit and run tactics. Health regen+Anti stagger would probaly be enough. Take away half our DR if you want to balance it out it's almost useless anyways. 

[Stardusk]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

Just another guy who thinks you should be able to melee everything to death on Gold without penalty. He doesn't know how to play a Krogan. That's it.

The Krogan should be able to melee most things on gold while remaining effective. Currently half of his Skill tree is completley useless since it centers around melee

So they should not be able to die. Honestly, how much damage should the Krogan be able to take, 10,000 Health and Shields?

Where did i say that? why does being able to melee=Invincibility to you? 
They all need a mechanic similar to vanguards shield recharge charge that allows hit and run tactics. Health regen+Anti stagger would probaly be enough. Take away half our DR if you want to balance it out it's almost useless anyways. 

With the coming of the Krogan Battlemaster you might get your wish, It could be very OP and will make the other Krogan obsolete. I am still confident that people will be charging and dying a lot across the map.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

It's true you cannot melee a lot on Gold. So what? There are other effective ways to play the Krogan, as I have demonstrated.

Which are, don't play them like a Krogan, play them like every other character?

So what then is the point of a Krogan exactly, just a giant character skin to take up half the screen?

So the general consensus is that Krogans should be invincible. Krogans are not played like every other character, they still have their own unique style but this debate has been going on for a while. A few buffs here or there would be nice but Krogans are still fine as they are now.

We don't want fine. We want competitive. Just about everyone on these forums agree that Krogan are among the worst classes for gold we have some of the worst power potions and the worst passives. The only real advantage we have is our sprint speed which is nice but dosen't save you from the geth stagger lock all the time or always able to get you away from banshees/phantoms in time. 

Any class will only be as good as the player using it at the end of the day. Just how invincible should Krogan be? Grunt still died lots in ME2 so I guess he wasn't invincible enough.

But the player playing the Krogan classes could be better playing just about anything else since the Krogan have no real advantages or excel at anything other than sprinting which were still 2nd at to the drell.

Just give me a reason why the Krogan is superior in anyway to the other classes if your unable to melee. What is the reason to play a Krogan other than fun factor? 

[Peer of the Empire]

jotun04 wrote...

1. Health regen
2. Resistance to being staggered
3. Immunity to instant kills


Also I find it ironic that krograns and turians suck against brutes (which are made of krogan+turian) since they can't roll out of the way

Instead of roll, heavy meleeB)

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Stardusk wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Dude you're getting a Krogan Vanguard.. For FREE! That's really all there is to say on the matter.

Dude, you're going to get another crappy shield, for free.  The shield is going to mess up your recharge, it will not knockback opponents like nova does, and you can't roll out of fire like a human does.  You're going to get shredded by everything around you and pushed around like a pansy.  You're hump is going to get busted and you can't even see where the fire is coming from because it takes up half the screen.

You'll carry a pistol or smg because shotguns are too heavy even with the the Krogan weight bonuses.

Meanwhile, everybody else is hiding behind cover, spaming auto aim powers, and if they get in trouble they roll away.

Did I say your hump is busted yet?

You will probably get shredded very easily but most of us play more methodical when it comes to Krogan.

Just another guy who thinks you should be able to melee everything to death on Gold without penalty. He doesn't know how to play a Krogan. That's it.

The Krogan should be able to melee most things on gold while remaining effective. Currently half of his Skill tree is completley useless since it centers around melee

So they should not be able to die. Honestly, how much damage should the Krogan be able to take, 10,000 Health and Shields?

Where did i say that? why does being able to melee=Invincibility to you? 
They all need a mechanic similar to vanguards shield recharge charge that allows hit and run tactics. Health regen+Anti stagger would probaly be enough. Take away half our DR if you want to balance it out it's almost useless anyways. 

With the coming of the Krogan Battlemaster you might get your wish, It could be very OP and will make the other Krogan obsolete. I am still confident that people will be charging and dying a lot across the map.

One decent Krogan is not enough. And we haven't even played it yet so it's impossible to predict whether it will live up to it's expectations. It could be very OP, it could  be on the same level as the current krogan, or maybe its just balanced. 

[Detroitsoldier]

Krogan are perfect in Silver and up to wave 4 or 5 in Gold.

If you die in Silver as any kind of Krogan, you don't know how to use it.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Detroitsoldier wrote...

Krogan are perfect in Silver and up to wave 4 or 5 in Gold.

If you die in Silver as any kind of Krogan, you don't know how to use it.

Agreed. Except against the geth on silver. They are still a pain in the ass

[Detroitsoldier]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Detroitsoldier wrote...

Krogan are perfect in Silver and up to wave 4 or 5 in Gold.

If you die in Silver as any kind of Krogan, you don't know how to use it.

Agreed. Except against the geth on silver. They are still a pain in the ass

The Geth Pyro is the only thing I have trouble with on Silver, as well as the Geth Rocket Trooper knocking me back as I'm charging. On Geth Gold, it's hey-ho goodbye to the Krogan.