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[xsdob]

Deltoran wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

My takeaway was: the epilogue DLC is probably going to do a lot of good and be pretty well written, and Patrick Weekes should've been lead writer on ME3.

Quoted for truth.  If there's one thing that gives me hope for this, it's the idea that they're going to involve the whole writing staff in this Extended Edition ending, and not just leave it up to Casey and Mac like they did with the original.  (Deny it all they want, I'm still firmly convinced that deleted Penny Arcade quote was 100% true.)

Quoted for double truth...and agree.

You know what, I loved mass effect 3, and I even kinda liked the endings, mostly cause most of what I assumed, weekes says in this tweet. But dammit, he is a better writer, and no one can deny this.

Quoted for truth.

[pikey1969]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does EDI survive the destroy ending? This was never explained even in the interview.

looks like Weekes trailed off on the specific details of that (looks like there was a discussion on it in the writer's room) AND/OR the fan who conducted the interview is hazy on the details.

[Anduin The Grey]

pikey1969 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I'll say this. I'd feel a lot more confident about purchasing a future Mass Effect game if Weekes was the lead writer. Good guy.

Correction, I'd feel a lot better about purchasing Bioware products in the future if they go 'rogue' Bungie style.

I'm bemused as to why Bioware allowed themselves to be bought up by EA in the first place, were they having financial issues? I never heard anything of the sort. Could it be that the two co-founders just wanted a rest after a very long time of hard graft? I've always been biased against EA and have always admired what Bioware have done so far, maybe one publisher is just as bad as the next and I've always considered Obsidian as an emergency get out clause for the employees since EA took over, though I have absolutely no idea if that is even feasable.

[omntt]

Awesome. Everytime this guy pops around i feel better, and if that wasn't enough, he wrote the best moments in the game. I hope he will work on the summer dlc.

[Crusina]

xsdob wrote...

Bioware being rushed sounds about right. Between mass effect 1 and 2, the development time was about 3 years 2007-2010. The time between mass effect 2 and 3 was 2 years or less, 2010-2012.

And games aren't like many animated media, where you can still be almost done with the current season and already working on the next few episodes and the pilot of the next season. MLP and it's very transparent and open to the fans creative process taught me that, it's a miracle any cartoons manage to pull it off at all.

Anyway, point is the time between these two games was short, so no wonder everything but the ending in mass effect 3 was only somewhat better instead of leaps and bounds ahead.

But that's not important, becasue what is important is that this needs to be not only stickied, but posted everywhere people say that bioware isn't listening or that the new extended cut wont do jack should see this, because this is some actual evidence as to whether that dlc may be good or not, rather than just a gut feeling.

It doesn't matter, some people will be okay, but the majority (as already proven) will just continue to whine. They will find something to complain about, and if they are wrong, they'll complain about being mislead, if they are right, they'll be even louder.

[Szuli]

Okay, I feel better now, thanks for letting us know about these questions and answers. But what still irritates me is how on earth were we supposed to know these things from the ME3 endings? Especially judging from the Arrival DLC and other ME lore. And why do we have to find these out from a casual conversation instead of BW coming out and calming us down by telling us these points? Why couldn't they talk about this weeks ago, or at least at PAX? They could have avoided a lot of hate and anger.

[Crusina]

omntt wrote...

Awesome. Everytime this guy pops around i feel better, and if that wasn't enough, he wrote the best moments in the game. I hope he will work on the summer dlc.

I believe..he is.

[M0keys]

I'm guessing since the writers were locked out from the initial ending, they've all had in their heads what they would've done had they been allowed to peer review the ending. They've had more than a month to think about it so there's probably a list somewhere of all the stuff they were milling over.

[Mims]

I'd wait on declaring EDI canon alive, until someone actually says it in direct terms. It seems like he thinks she 'should' have died, and may be referring to the already glitchy normandy exit scene?

But I wasn't there, maybe it was more certain when he said it.

[pikey1969]

xsdob wrote...

Deltoran wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

My takeaway was: the epilogue DLC is probably going to do a lot of good and be pretty well written, and Patrick Weekes should've been lead writer on ME3.

Quoted for truth.  If there's one thing that gives me hope for this, it's the idea that they're going to involve the whole writing staff in this Extended Edition ending, and not just leave it up to Casey and Mac like they did with the original.  (Deny it all they want, I'm still firmly convinced that deleted Penny Arcade quote was 100% true.)

Quoted for double truth...and agree.

You know what, I loved mass effect 3, and I even kinda liked the endings, mostly cause most of what I assumed, weekes says in this tweet. But dammit, he is a better writer, and no one can deny this.

Quoted for truth.

I take issue with this sentiment.

I do NOT for a moment believe that the endings are a fault of any one individual or their hubris or their alleged 'clutch' on how the series should end.

It completely illogical to assume this is true. Why would any one person (Casey included) turn his/their back(s) on the rest of the creative team they've worked together with for the entire project, or most likely for the whole series, and say 'this is what we're doing?'.

Instead, try to consider WHY anyone would have done what they did to the endings the way they did. Did it feel rushed/incomplete compared to the rest of the fantastic content in the game? Yes.

WHY?? well..

Modifié par pikey1969, 08 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[pattywagon]

I wished Weekes and whoever wrote the Quarian vs Geth story arc, sorry I don't know who wrote that part, had more input on the overall story of Mass Effect 2 + 3. I felt like Drew did a great job with the first game, and the second game was great, but Drew left for the Old Republic and Walters took charge. I feel like Walters vision wasn't on par with Drew's or anybody else for that matter. It seems Weekes cares more about the lore and how to fit key pieces into what was established than Walters did.

[Hexley UK]

pikey1969 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

@Hexley:

Granting context to events that shouldn't happen doesn't make them better.

But your ranting over paraphrased answers to a casual interview, just chill and enjoy the fact that someone is actually speaking to us (however indirectly)

Theres plenty of other threads to express your concerns in. 

The fact is we won't really know how it's all explained until the EE comes out.

Yeah, yeah.

Im just concerned about it is all. I'll just wait and see what gets sent our way this summer. Weekes is pretty awesome for taking the time out.

Also, Geth Infiltrator in MP? Yes, thank you!

Bah Krogan Vanguard 4tw! 

hmm.. UK ey?

less ramblings from you, more Steak Pies and mushy peas in the mail for me.

I don't do mushy peas m8.

But sure I could sort you a Steak pie, who doesn't love those eh?

[RaynarBrusk]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does EDI survive the destroy ending? This was never explained even in the interview.

My take on this was that the Starchild pointed out that Shepard was part synthetic, yet s/he could potentially survive the destroy ending, but only with high resources. More resources means more engineers, so they worked out the 'bug' that made it target non-Reapers, so EDI and the geth could potentially also survive.

Of course, this logic falls apart if you see EDI alive but not Shepard due to low resources. I doubt EDI's appearance is tied to resources, but it's not like I checked.

[pikey1969]

Hexley UK wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

@Hexley:

Granting context to events that shouldn't happen doesn't make them better.

But your ranting over paraphrased answers to a casual interview, just chill and enjoy the fact that someone is actually speaking to us (however indirectly)

Theres plenty of other threads to express your concerns in. 

The fact is we won't really know how it's all explained until the EE comes out.

Yeah, yeah.

Im just concerned about it is all. I'll just wait and see what gets sent our way this summer. Weekes is pretty awesome for taking the time out.

Also, Geth Infiltrator in MP? Yes, thank you!

Bah Krogan Vanguard 4tw! 

hmm.. UK ey?

less ramblings from you, more Steak Pies and mushy peas in the mail for me.

I don't do mushy peas m8.

But sure I could sort you a Steak pie, who doesn't love those eh?

I was in England, Manchester to be specific, for a month.

I gained 8 pounds.

[Aurvant]

Perhaps it's possible that EDI survives because shes actually not reaper tech, but only her body is. She states early on that the body only works as a proxy, but her main functions are still operational aboard the Normandy.

Perhaps her body is deactivated, but she still lives on in her original AI form until they create her a new body?

[MarchWaltz]

CronoDragoon wrote...

 using Super Saiyan FTL.

Made me laugh, thanks.

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Galactic civilization will rebuild. The mass relays were not necessary for interstellar flight. Remember, what does it say in the Codex about the speed of ships? That's right, 12 lightyears per (day? hour? minute?). And that's only the cruising speed, not the maximum speed.

I believe it also says in the codex that without mass relays, it takes years, decades or even centuries to get to other clusters, depending on where you want to go.
With all due respect, sir, read your own codex.

People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed. Additionally, the element zero cores of the dead/controlled Reapers can be used to improve FTL drives.

So I was right, the dead Reapers aren't fried.
Indoctrination for everybody! o/

Joker would never abandon Shep without a good reason. Hopefully this will be clear in the Expanded Cut.

Joker would never abandon Shepard. Period.

Yes. We would never, ever do anything that made the player feel, on replay, that it would be better for everyone on the Citadel if they just died.

That's exactly what you did.

The Citadel has emergency shelters and kinetic barriers - even if it blows up, millions might survive.

Did... did they all just forget where the Citadel was at that point? Low Earth orbit? Ring any bells? No?

You should assume that everyone plot-important on the Citadel survived.

No. I should not "assume". You show me. That's your job.

We want to provide a familiar, compelling visual experience for people who grew up on Star Wars and stuff like that. These are some of our favorite parts of the game.

No wait, really.....

Well, theres one slight tincy tiny thing your forgetting.

As part of the dev team, weekes has the power of omnipotence over the mass effect universe, he and the other devs are like the pantheon of gods for the entire universe.

So if he wants to change it, he can change it, and the once set in stone codex will be turned into clay, altered, and set back into stone before you can even say "You wouldn't dare!"

Basically, he is Q, they are all Q.

Modifié par xsdob, 08 avril 2012 - 02:53 .

[IanPolaris]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I'll say this. I'd feel a lot more confident about purchasing a future Mass Effect game if Weekes was the lead writer. Good guy.

Correction, I'd feel a lot better about purchasing Bioware products in the future if they go 'rogue' Bungie style.

I'm bemused as to why Bioware allowed themselves to be bought up by EA in the first place, were they having financial issues? I never heard anything of the sort. Could it be that the two co-founders just wanted a rest after a very long time of hard graft? I've always been biased against EA and have always admired what Bioware have done so far, maybe one publisher is just as bad as the next and I've always considered Obsidian as an emergency get out clause for the employees since EA took over, though I have absolutely no idea if that is even feasable.

As I remember it, EA bought out a holding company that happened to control a majority of Bioware's share and EA never let go.  By the time Bioware realized they were taken over, it was too late.

-Polaris

[MegaSovereign]

Honestly the ending wasn't really bad to the point where it was nonsensical. It was just poorly executed. What I'm getting from Mr.Weekes is that the endings looking the same resulted more from budget issues and design decisions rather than terrible writing. I'm very hopeful that the EC will fill in the plot holes and provide more variances between each choice.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 08 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[pikey1969]

IanPolaris wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I'll say this. I'd feel a lot more confident about purchasing a future Mass Effect game if Weekes was the lead writer. Good guy.

Correction, I'd feel a lot better about purchasing Bioware products in the future if they go 'rogue' Bungie style.

I'm bemused as to why Bioware allowed themselves to be bought up by EA in the first place, were they having financial issues? I never heard anything of the sort. Could it be that the two co-founders just wanted a rest after a very long time of hard graft? I've always been biased against EA and have always admired what Bioware have done so far, maybe one publisher is just as bad as the next and I've always considered Obsidian as an emergency get out clause for the employees since EA took over, though I have absolutely no idea if that is even feasable.

As I remember it, EA bought out a holding company that happened to control a majority of Bioware's share and EA never let go.  By the time Bioware realized they were taken over, it was too late.

-Polaris

:********(

can we send Bioware more cupcakes again or something?

Modifié par pikey1969, 08 avril 2012 - 02:53 .

[recentio]

With Weekes, Dombrow, and the whole writing team in on the EC, I have high hopes that they'll fix as much as possible while being unfortunately chained to that Starchild albatross. Maybe Harbinger will finally play a role? Maybe we'll get to argue against the Starchild's B.S. prejudice?

[Dranks]

So apparently these endings are actually not such downers, they just executed them so bad that it looks like we killed everything. Am I correct in this?

[zovoes]

hey look someone comes out and gives straight answers with no concentration or PR spin and people seem to take to it, wow who'd a thunk it? give the guy props for being as cool as he is about this. though half the stuff he is saying sound like back tracking ass-ups, people on the cit and what not but given what he was given. as for the relays blowing up what hell did they think we would think of it? this guy also seems to like to kill people off.. not really liking that but oh well good to have someone say something that's not talking down to us.

[MegaSovereign]

IanPolaris wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I'll say this. I'd feel a lot more confident about purchasing a future Mass Effect game if Weekes was the lead writer. Good guy.

Correction, I'd feel a lot better about purchasing Bioware products in the future if they go 'rogue' Bungie style.

I'm bemused as to why Bioware allowed themselves to be bought up by EA in the first place, were they having financial issues? I never heard anything of the sort. Could it be that the two co-founders just wanted a rest after a very long time of hard graft? I've always been biased against EA and have always admired what Bioware have done so far, maybe one publisher is just as bad as the next and I've always considered Obsidian as an emergency get out clause for the employees since EA took over, though I have absolutely no idea if that is even feasable.

As I remember it, EA bought out a holding company that happened to control a majority of Bioware's share and EA never let go.  By the time Bioware realized they were taken over, it was too late.

-Polaris

Wow I never knew this.

That's actually really depressing.

[CronoDragoon]

pattywagon wrote...

I wished Weekes and whoever wrote the Quarian vs Geth story arc, sorry I don't know who wrote that part, had more input on the overall story of Mass Effect 2 + 3.

Weekes wrote the whole Rannoch arc in ME3, so there you go, lol.