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[Hatikvah07]

Joolazoo wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Dude please remove their nuts from your mouth. They are working like all of us do to get paid, because there was a massive backlash towards one of their products. They are not doing this out of respect to us, or because they actually care, they are doing it so they do not feel the repercussions through loss of profit. The large amount of demand was for a new ending, not an extended clarification, regardless of whether or not you think they shouldn't have to change the ending.

Yes, because OBVIOUSLY all Bioware employees are slaves of EA who are just telling us what we want to hear, which was obviously clarification and not some new ending. Clearly I'm just some Bioware shill, who loves to suck on Casey Hudson's nuts while I dance for Mac Walters. I'm definitely not a rational person who knows that Bioware is made up of people who feel passionately about their art, when really they're all a bunch of trolls sucking us dry for cash while they dance on an altar made from the body of Drew Karpyshn.

Seriously, the level of stupidity and need to believe in conspiracy theories on this board is astonishing. I hate to break it to you guys, but to steal a line from Don Draper, there is no big PR lie. There is no distracting. Bioware is doing this because they want to do right by their fans. EA is indifferent.

[Ozai75]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Ozai75 wrote...

Rob would you just shut up. You're just making things worse. Mr. Gamble, we care about Mass Effect. We're here to discuss and try and help you understand why we're upset. Don't let a troll push you away.

Right, because a guy who is fighting for his consumer rights after being blatantly lied to is a troll.

Seems legit. Well, I'm out of this thread. Weekes did a freaking wonderful thing, and now we have people overseeing that and turing this into a "BIOWARE BE LISTENING NOW!" thread.

No, they are not listening, what Weekes did was on his own volition. 

Actually, all that is being asked of you is to treat these guys with respect - something missing from the movement in general. I am not a fan of corporations like EA, but Gamble is not EA. He is a gameplay designer who worked hard on this game and is helping to go back and change it for us.

Exactly.  I'm not happy with the ending, not in the least bit... but I know well enough to be respectful to people who have put countless hours into a game.  The /producer/ of the game is here to talk with us.  That tells you a lot about how well they are listening.

[HooblaDGN]

Having a problem with a minority of people who are communicating with you in a creator-consumer relationship is no good excuse to abandon the rest of them. Lame.

[Moogberg]

M0keys wrote...

I'm guessing it comes down to resources at this point. That's something I'm starting to realize. Creating an entirely new ending would be like starting up on a brand new game, in a sense.

You're absolutely right. Don't forget that the ending they set will also determine the universe of the next game they would write in the Mass Effect continuity.

Removing Starchild/the Guardian wouldn't only be killing Casey Hudson's baby, no matter how ugly the baby is. It might also be changing the foundation layer for the game they're currently assessing.

Any new game would have to live without the mass relays, so that's something they have already thought of.
Your final choice will actually have little impact on this hypothetical next game, because they're able to start from scratch, without having to take into consideration the multiplicity of decisions Shepard made in the trilogy.

Let's face it, Mass Effect is a franchise and a lucrative brand. If I were a publisher and Bioware submitted me a pitch about a third Mass Effect game to get financement for this, and that every major character and advanced technology was supposed to die/stop working/become totally altered in the ending, my first condition would be to leave the door open in some way for a sequel. That's how business works.

[The Wumpus]

Joolazoo wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Dude please remove their nuts from your mouth. They are working like all of us do to get paid, because there was a massive backlash towards one of their products. They are not doing this out of respect to us, or because they actually care, they are doing it so they do not feel the repercussions through loss of profit. The large amount of demand was for a new ending, not an extended clarification, regardless of whether or not you think they shouldn't have to change the ending.

Every dev cares about their work. Your game really does become like your child, after putting so much into it -- not just so much time, but so much of yourself. As a dev, you want people to love your game, and if they don't, you want to make it so they can.

Besides, BioWare's already been paid for ME3. Devs get paid during development, not after. They might get a bonus if a game performs well, but the bulk of the money they made on this game is already paid and secure. It's not about that.

Really, you shouldn't assume the worst about people you don't know.

[shepskisaac]

wait, what just happened? What was posted that made Mike leave?

[IronSabbath88]

Stay classy BSN. Stay classy.

This only goes to a certain number of people who feel the need to be brats.

Yes, you have consumer rights, but be respectful.

[Hexley UK]

Moogberg wrote...

M0keys wrote...

I'm guessing it comes down to resources at this point. That's something I'm starting to realize. Creating an entirely new ending would be like starting up on a brand new game, in a sense.

You're absolutely right. Don't forget that the ending they set will also determine the universe of the next game they would write in the Mass Effect continuity.

Removing Starchild/the Guardian wouldn't only be killing Casey Hudson's baby, no matter how ugly the baby is. It might also be changing the foundation layer for the game they're currently assessing.

Any new game would have to live without the mass relays, so that's something they have already thought of.
Your final choice will actually have little impact on this hypothetical next game, because they're able to start from scratch, without having to take into consideration the multiplicity of decisions Shepard made in the trilogy.

Let's face it, Mass Effect is a franchise and a lucrative brand. If I were a publisher and Bioware submitted me a pitch about a third Mass Effect game to get financement for this, and that every major character and advanced technology was supposed to die/stop working/become totally altered in the ending, my first condition would be to leave the door open in some way for a sequel. That's how business works.

Probably all very true, I imagine they've been planning the next ME game for months now already and alot of that would hinge on this ending.

[Hatikvah07]

The Wumpus wrote...

Joolazoo wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Dude please remove their nuts from your mouth. They are working like all of us do to get paid, because there was a massive backlash towards one of their products. They are not doing this out of respect to us, or because they actually care, they are doing it so they do not feel the repercussions through loss of profit. The large amount of demand was for a new ending, not an extended clarification, regardless of whether or not you think they shouldn't have to change the ending.

Every dev cares about their work. Your game really does become like your child, after putting so much into it -- not just so much time, but so much of yourself. As a dev, you want people to love your game, and if they don't, you want to make it so they can.

Besides, BioWare's already been paid for ME3. Devs get paid during development, not after. They might get a bonus if a game performs well, but the bulk of the money they made on this game is already paid and secure. It's not about that.

Really, you shouldn't assume the worst about people you don't know.

ALL OF THIS.

Bioware is made up of people, not evil moneybots hell bent on doing bad stuff just because I said so.

[Vox Draco]

Dranks wrote...

I wonder if this is how Shepard felt trying to unite the Krogans/Turians/Salarians and the Geth/Quarians.

Interesting thought...interesting comparism

Sadly, we all know that even when you reunite them all...it doesn't matter much in the "End"...hopefully our "story" here will take a different course and end in a better way than ME3...

And some open dialogue wihout insults, rage and hate might help with that. There was and still is enough of that in numerous threads, where one can blow of steam. It would be nice if we could get back to just praise Weekes and his magnificent beard...and maybe we'll lure Gamble back for some more statements *smiles really, really nice*

Has anybody some cupcakes left for the Gamble-trap?

[stargatefan1990]

Michael Gamble wrote...

classy. Good to see you appreciate our content. That was the one that made me leave the thread, btw.

hello Mike gamble nice to see some Dialouge between Dev's and fans starting on the forums

[Slaiyer]

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, the level of stupidity and need to believe in conspiracy theories on this board is astonishing. I hate to break it to you guys, but to steal a line from Don Draper, there is no big PR lie. There is no distracting. Bioware is doing this because they want to do right by their fans. EA is indifferent.

(Intellectually) - ME3 has seen a 60% visible drop in sales each week since release.  All statements that have been released have been riddled with carefull PR fluff. Extending the current ending is (in my view) the least amount of work possible while still being able to spin it in favor of "we're doing what you asked". 

(Confused) - The free bit is nice though.

[stargatefan1990]

people who are insulting the Dev's stop it now!

[Joolazoo]

The Wumpus wrote...

Joolazoo wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Dude please remove their nuts from your mouth. They are working like all of us do to get paid, because there was a massive backlash towards one of their products. They are not doing this out of respect to us, or because they actually care, they are doing it so they do not feel the repercussions through loss of profit. The large amount of demand was for a new ending, not an extended clarification, regardless of whether or not you think they shouldn't have to change the ending.

Every dev cares about their work. Your game really does become like your child, after putting so much into it -- not just so much time, but so much of yourself. As a dev, you want people to love your game, and if they don't, you want to make it so they can.

Besides, BioWare's already been paid for ME3. Devs get paid during development, not after. They might get a bonus if a game performs well, but the bulk of the money they made on this game is already paid and secure. It's not about that.

Really, you shouldn't assume the worst about people you don't know.

You should assume it when statements by the Devs said they didn't feel the need for the explanation they are giving right now when they originally made the game. Therefor, everything in my original statement stands. They are adding the ending so we don't throw a hissyfit and ruin their paid DLC. You really shouldn't assume the best about people you don't know..especially when they work for a corporation, and ultimately are much more concerned with their job than anything else. Saying every dev cares about their work is as dumb as saying every shepard cares about their sheep... a few do, but 90% do it for money.

[xsdob]

Irishfafnir wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

clever by gamble really, him leaving with his sentance has us all against each other now. smart move

Agree, allows him to leave by blaming a very small minority without having to answer any questions.

Maybe if you didn't phrase your post with telling him he was weak and to grow up and get thicker skin, people wouldn't have reacted to your post so negativley.

[Ender99]

-Gains a small amount of hope for the ending-

[nevar00]

Vixy wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Everyone in this thread needs to read this post over and over.

I don't see why necessarily.  Yes a few people have been venting inappropriately but a lot of the anger is pretty justified.  I still don't see why that pile of pre-release quotes has gone ignored for the most part.

[Reptilian Rob]

Posting this here too, in case Gamble comes back.

The image I posted was uncalled for, true and true. I'm not a troll and I'm not anyone who wishes to berate anyone here, if you look at my previous posts I'm always kind and respectful to anyone and everyone. Today was not a better moment for me, and I hope we can be cordial and friends again.

I not only "appreciate" your work and game but attribute it to my inspiration in becoming a Science Fiction Literature graduate from UCSD. The story, characters and universe took an already solidified passion of mine and made it into a career.

I care about the franchise more than most, I'll say that. I care about Bioware, they are the best dev on the planet and I defended this studio during DA2, which I thought was an outstanding game. I love you guys, I love Mass Effect and I love everyone who poured their hearts into this game. All I want is to be able to experience what I was promised, and what I know Mass Effect as an outstanding trilogy deserves.

http://social.biowar.../index/10373127

I really do love you guys, and thanks for a wonderful universe like Mass Effect.

I hope we can be friends, I am very sorry...

[Kroepoek]

Vixy wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Everyone in this thread needs to read this post over and over.

They lied their butts off before release to make you believe they were delivering something you wanted.

But let's just overlook that because it's Bioware right?

[Dominator24]

If we got a post like this sooner they could have dodge some of the ****storm that hit BSN after the ending fiasco.
This post made me feel a bit more positive but well see how things will go later on.

[xsdob]

Dranks wrote...

I wonder if this is how Shepard felt trying to unite the Krogans/Turians/Salarians and the Geth/Quarians.

Shepard has it easy, at least there was one person in each group who actually wanted to help shepard. This is more like if shepard had about a quarter of the turians behind him and that was it, and maybe one batarian, and everyone else wanted shepard dead or for him to be thrown in prision.

[Luiginius]

 Something to lighten the mood. Joke about a german baby giving feedback about the quality of food:
www.youtube.com/watch

[Hatikvah07]

There's a difference between being justifiably upset and calling someone you've never met and know nothing about, who's doing their damndest to make you happy, a variety of pretty terrible things.

Yes, this is the internet where everyone's a terrible person, but come on man, there are limits.

[acidic-ph0]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Posting this here too, in case Gamble comes back.

The image I posted was uncalled for, true and true. I'm not a troll and I'm not anyone who wishes to berate anyone here, if you look at my previous posts I'm always kind and respectful to anyone and everyone. Today was not a better moment for me, and I hope we can be cordial and friends again.

I not only "appreciate" your work and game but attribute it to my inspiration in becoming a Science Fiction Literature graduate from UCSD. The story, characters and universe took an already solidified passion of mine and made it into a career.

I care about the franchise more than most, I'll say that. I care about Bioware, they are the best dev on the planet and I defended this studio during DA2, which I thought was an outstanding game. I love you guys, I love Mass Effect and I love everyone who poured their hearts into this game. All I want is to be able to experience what I was promised, and what I know Mass Effect as an outstanding trilogy deserves.

http://social.biowar.../index/10373127

I really do love you guys, and thanks for a wonderful universe like Mass Effect.

I hope we can be friends, I am very sorry...

Thanks for posting this. It takes quite a lot of guts to admit when you've made a mistake. I hope that Mr. Gamble appreciates this and comes back to continue some dialogue with us.

[xsdob]

IsaacShep wrote...

wait, what just happened? What was posted that made Mike leave?

Bioware with a trollface instead of an i and saying that this was what bioware listening to us really was,  Thank you Reptillian Rob, you really did everyone a good service pissing the guy we've been wanting to talk to off like that.

Thank you,

But, you did apologize for it, so no harm done I guess.

Modifié par xsdob, 08 avril 2012 - 11:56 .