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Unofficial Interview with Patrick Weekes conducted by a fan at Pax - UPDATED


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Joolazoo wrote...

The Wumpus wrote...

Joolazoo wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously, these guys are working their butts off to make something we demanded (and then got) and people are treating them like crap. It's sickening.

And the claim of "it's just a couple people, everyone else is civil!"; uhhh, like half of the posts on the forum are people being openly hostile towards Bioware, in increasingly awful ways.

Dude please remove their nuts from your mouth. They are working like all of us do to get paid, because there was a massive backlash towards one of their products. They are not doing this out of respect to us, or because they actually care, they are doing it so they do not feel the repercussions through loss of profit. The large amount of demand was for a new ending, not an extended clarification, regardless of whether or not you think they shouldn't have to change the ending.


Every dev cares about their work. Your game really does become like your child, after putting so much into it -- not just so much time, but so much of yourself. As a dev, you want people to love your game, and if they don't, you want to make it so they can.

Besides, BioWare's already been paid for ME3. Devs get paid during development, not after. They might get a bonus if a game performs well, but the bulk of the money they made on this game is already paid and secure. It's not about that.

Really, you shouldn't assume the worst about people you don't know.

You should assume it when statements by the Devs said they didn't feel the need for the explanation they are giving right now when they originally made the game. Therefor, everything in my original statement stands. They are adding the ending so we don't throw a hissyfit and ruin their paid DLC. You really shouldn't assume the best about people you don't know..especially when they work for a corporation, and ultimately are much more concerned with their job than anything else. Saying every dev cares about their work is as dumb as saying every shepard cares about their sheep... a few do, but 90% do it for money.


Oh, believe me, no one gets into this business for the money. Anyone who does gets out of it real fast. 

Devs work ridiculously long hours, sometimes completely unpaid, for months or years at a stretch, to make their part of the game as good as it can be. The reason so many devs thank their families in the credits is because they spend so long away from them, they might as well be working in another country. And sometimes they are; a good friend of mine spent months of his life last year flying back and forth between here and the Czech Republic. I've seen testers sent to work for months in Russia. Hell, one of the devs of the original Phantasy Star got in trouble for going home to sleep one night.

Money? There are infinitely easier jobs with shorter hours that pay much, much more. You work in development, you do it out of love and out of passion, because nothing else will see you through it.

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Just answer those things Patrick Weeks responded to in the interview (escaping Joker, Citadel loses, FTL travel, fate of Mass Relays, rebuilding galactic community, etc.) in the "Extended Cut" and you're half way done.
Than onyl add some more information about Starchild's & Reapers' intentions & motivations and add some nice epilogue cutscenes, showing the fate of oure squadmates & love Interrest, and voilá you have your complete "Extended Cut".

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acidic-ph0 wrote...

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Posting this here too, in case Gamble comes back.

The image I posted was uncalled for, true and true. I'm not a troll and I'm not anyone who wishes to berate anyone here, if you look at my previous posts I'm always kind and respectful to anyone and everyone. Today was not a better moment for me, and I hope we can be cordial and friends again.

I not only "appreciate" your work and game but attribute it to my inspiration in becoming a Science Fiction Literature graduate from UCSD. The story, characters and universe took an already solidified passion of mine and made it into a career.

I care about the franchise more than most, I'll say that. I care about Bioware, they are the best dev on the planet and I defended this studio during DA2, which I thought was an outstanding game. I love you guys, I love Mass Effect and I love everyone who poured their hearts into this game. All I want is to be able to experience what I was promised, and what I know Mass Effect as an outstanding trilogy deserves.

http://social.biowar.../index/10373127

I really do love you guys, and thanks for a wonderful universe like Mass Effect.

I hope we can be friends, I am very sorry...


Thanks for posting this. It takes quite a lot of guts to admit when you've made a mistake. I hope that Mr. Gamble appreciates this and comes back to continue some dialogue with us.

Again, I'm not a troll or a hate monger. I'm a consumer and someone who loves Mass Effect.

Is that so wrong?

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 09 avril 2012 - 12:00 .


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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Posting this here too, in case Gamble comes back.

The image I posted was uncalled for, true and true. I'm not a troll and I'm not anyone who wishes to berate anyone here, if you look at my previous posts I'm always kind and respectful to anyone and everyone. Today was not a better moment for me, and I hope we can be cordial and friends again.

I not only "appreciate" your work and game but attribute it to my inspiration in becoming a Science Fiction Literature graduate from UCSD. The story, characters and universe took an already solidified passion of mine and made it into a career.

I care about the franchise more than most, I'll say that. I care about Bioware, they are the best dev on the planet and I defended this studio during DA2, which I thought was an outstanding game. I love you guys, I love Mass Effect and I love everyone who poured their hearts into this game. All I want is to be able to experience what I was promised, and what I know Mass Effect as an outstanding trilogy deserves.

http://social.biowar.../index/10373127

I really do love you guys, and thanks for a wonderful universe like Mass Effect.

I hope we can be friends, I am very sorry...


Paragon (+2)

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Posting this here too, in case Gamble comes back.

The image I posted was uncalled for, true and true. I'm not a troll and I'm not anyone who wishes to berate anyone here, if you look at my previous posts I'm always kind and respectful to anyone and everyone. Today was not a better moment for me, and I hope we can be cordial and friends again.

I not only "appreciate" your work and game but attribute it to my inspiration in becoming a Science Fiction Literature graduate from UCSD. The story, characters and universe took an already solidified passion of mine and made it into a career.

I care about the franchise more than most, I'll say that. I care about Bioware, they are the best dev on the planet and I defended this studio during DA2, which I thought was an outstanding game. I love you guys, I love Mass Effect and I love everyone who poured their hearts into this game. All I want is to be able to experience what I was promised, and what I know Mass Effect as an outstanding trilogy deserves.

http://social.biowar.../index/10373127

I really do love you guys, and thanks for a wonderful universe like Mass Effect.

I hope we can be friends, I am very sorry...


Great post. :)

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Ross42899 wrote...

Just answer those things Patrick Weeks responded to in the interview (escaping Joker, Citadel loses, FTL travel, fate of Mass Relays, rebuilding galactic community, etc.) in the "Extended Cut" and you're half way done.
Than onyl add some more information about Starchild's & Reapers' intentions & motivations and add some nice epilogue cutscenes, showing the fate of oure squadmates & love Interrest, and voilá you have your complete "Extended Cut".


That sounds good to me.

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Ban me if you want... I don't give a crap about the endings for MASS EFFECT 3 anymore. If you have a brain at all you can realize with the answers given here, THERE WILL BE A MASS EFFECT 4!!! Hopefully it will not be some stupid world of warcraft type game. I HATE games that do not end at all or are there to suck your life away through your fingertips. Patrick Weekes has earned a spot on my hero list. It is pretty small BTW.

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HOOK, LINE and SINKER.

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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Do we really need to turn this tread into a rage fest? there are enough of those here already...


Good grief, I'm quoting someone with one of those banners... (tongue in cheek, don't kill me)


Once i learn how to make a Bolin (character in my avatar) banner i will change my sig, promise :P 

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Hatikvah07 wrote...

There's a difference between being justifiably upset and calling someone you've never met and know nothing about, who's doing their damndest to make you happy, a variety of pretty terrible things.

Yes, this is the internet where everyone's a terrible person, but come on man, there are limits.


"I am limitless"

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Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously. Bioware has done something totally unprecedented in changing (or at least expanding/modifying) the ending of ME3, and have given every indication that they are taking our feedback into account, and still everyone is "HURR DURR BIOWARE BE TROLLIN'!"

Enough already. We've got at least three months to calm down and take stock, and the last thing we should be doing after the announcement of the Extended Cut (which is, in the words of Vice President Joe Biden, a big f*@$ing deal) is getting pissed and antagonistic towards Bioware. Hasn't anyone ever told you to not bite the hand that feeds you free, industry changing DLC?



Let me just say, I agree with you.

But, after a month of being antagonized and marginalized by the media fans are on edge. Add to that the vague twitter posts and the feeling that we don't rate a straight answer and you get a pretty tense situation.

You are right that we should be more civil toward BW, but its not like like we have no reason at all to be upset.

I am not forgetting the straight answers we have gotten from the folks at BW and I appreciate that very much. I am just pointing out that the fans upset by the ending have gotten very little respect from anyone. Because of that we turn around and take out our frustration on BW, which makes them not want to talk, which gets us even more frustrated and so on. Not saying its wrong or right or trying to blame anyone(except the media went overboard IMO), its just the situation we find ourselves in.

I guess what I am saying is, those of us who didn't like the ending said and did things that were bad, admittedly. But we shouldn't shoulder all the guilt either. I am speaking about those of us who have tried from the very beginning to be civil only to have the actions of a few thrown back in our faces.

I apologize ahead of time if none of that makes sense. Its kind of hard to articulate exactly how I feel on the subject.;)

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Again, I'm not a troll or a hate monger. I'm a consumer and someone who love Mass Effect.

Is that so wrong?

Yep
Morgan Disapporves -5

Morally grey actions are the only actions! =]

Anywho, if you came back...

So Mr. Gamble, the cutscenes currently in the game show the Normandy, at least in the destroy ending, have its engines rather violently ripped off, do similar things happen to the say the guns of the assembled fleet?(codex says most everyone has reaper tech based thanix guns. and we didn't see what the pretty colored waves did to the fleet at all, and humans on surface =/= ships...)

Modifié par lordnyx1, 09 avril 2012 - 12:02 .


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So...that last few pages was...yeah.

Anyone feel like coming up with a list of questions to ask gamble, just so we actually have some form of organization, or maybe just to help pass the time?

I'll start first. Mr. Gamble, while you may not be able to elaborate on the ending dlc coming up, are you still allowed to answer questions about the current ending, and if so, may I ask why the catalyst was given the appearance it had, and not something more insect like, something similar to the collector general or the cuddlefish reapers?

Any input would be appreciated.

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Irishfafnir wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

clever by gamble really, him leaving with his sentance has us all against each other now. smart move


Agree, allows him to leave by blaming a very small minority without having to answer any questions.


Don't fall for this trap, guys, these two are obviously a plant by Bioware. Look at the evidence:

- Let's start at the most logical place, the end. By making a statement that agrees with the initial point, even with something as seemingly neutral  as 'agree', this is giving almost double the weight to the opening move.

"And what is that move?" You ask? Look closer.

- clarkusdarkus wrote 'clever' as an opening word. Vague, maybe, but not suspicious by itself, until you look at the end; 'smart move'. Coincidence? Unlikely. More likely this is an intentional use of classical rheotric patterns to focus us on the core of what he was trying to say: 'has us all against each other now'. Not trying, not attempting, 'has', like it's already happened, like we're already against each other.

And they thought we wouldn't notice this? Well, I for one am not going to fall for it. I'm going to continue holding the line, wallet, hopes and dreams. We will not be separated, never. You can try to hide behind your 'posts', but you continue to underestimate this series' true fans.  Respectfully, sir, GTFO.

Modifié par Tirranek, 09 avril 2012 - 12:03 .


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Mr.House wrote...

So pretty much, Bioware was rushed.


Then why throw out the ending they had planned since day one?

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Am pretty solid to wait for the Extended Cut myself and it's still young in the year, lots of content lined up hopefully, good year to be an ME fan =)

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Gespenst wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

So pretty much, Bioware was rushed.


Then why throw out the ending they had planned since day one?


I dunno, same reason they got rid of the Caleston Hub in ME1?

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Wow M.G. really did a number, being able to leave threads on a whim, because of a vocal minority and individuals are all upset now. Very sly indeed.

Granted I don't feel like anyone should be treated or bashed in the way BioWare employees have... but in all honesty, this is THEIR JOB, good and the bad... we don't live in a Utopia.

If you don't want to take criticism for your work, whatever that may be (scathing and unflattering  [also bashing] included)... you probably shouldn't be in jobs like this where you release your work to the public.


A great many people have it worse off than game developers when it comes to backlash from the public for doing their job.

-Again: I am not saying what they do is easy, nor should they be treated like this... but sometimes, you need to understand that when you do a job that is released to the public, everyone from the die-hard fans to the nut-job haters will be able to fashion their (sometimes vulgar and inappropriate) responses.


I guess what I am saying here is... it is just unprofessional to say you won't mingle with the lot of your fans because some of the most vulgar ones ruin it for everyone.


Think of it this way: How often do you see referees at a professional sporting event stateside (who aren't being threatened with physical violence/pelted with objects) simply walk off the court mid-game without being held accountable crying because the fans have booed them and called them "a blind bat who couldn't see because [insert drunk vulgar saying here])? Almost... NEVER. Add to that fact, the imminent possibility of physical force of a drunkard fan, which is wholly absent from the web.

Again, not saying the drunkard fan is right, nor proper...

You do, however, see them (refs) toss out individuals on a semi-frequent basis who are too unyeilding to reason, just as BioWare has the ability to here via banning or blocking...

Just unwarranted leaving, but very sly indeed in this situation.

Kick out the vulgar lot, we don't want them here either, don't leave US because of THEM.



(Please not the ID behind the analogy -and post mainstay- was solely work in relation to public spectacle, not ancillary functionality).
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As for the original topic... to me this just seems like one of those: Well here is what we are going to do: SAY "X/Y/Z" happened and you listen to us, because we are Bioware. In other words... they will answer questions, but not tell you the most important piece of information: HOW!

Take the FTL travel for example... sure they can say... "Welp... now they can salvage reaper and use that in their ships, thus creating a way to travel faster than ever before and everyone gets home safe." Without question... but of course (in reality) they would need to explain... WHO did this? Did all the scientists follow the crucible to our system for the final push (instead of try to create data for the next cycle as the protheans suggest)? Where did they get this idea from on how it would work? How does it take a short enough time to retrofit a bagillion vesssels and not have these people starve? If they came to fight a galactic war, where are they getting all the necessary tools to do this in a short time? Decimated earth? If you "destroy" the reapers, what exactly does this mean you do to them... are the intergral pieces still salvageable? There is about 10 more pertinent questions... bottom line is details matter...

I hope we get them... and I won't be holding my breath, but I will hope and not "bash" the ending before it is released.

I'd say I'm cautiously skeptical... :bandit:

Let's hope they get that ME1/2 flare back (as well as the flare from the first 99.995%) of this game as well.

Modifié par AIR MOORE, 09 avril 2012 - 12:16 .


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What was the pic that Rob posted that drove Mike away?

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

What was the pic that Rob posted that drove Mike away?


bioware logo with a troll face...

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Am betting it wasn't a picture of a successful class action.

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aliengmr1 wrote...

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Seriously. Bioware has done something totally unprecedented in changing (or at least expanding/modifying) the ending of ME3, and have given every indication that they are taking our feedback into account, and still everyone is "HURR DURR BIOWARE BE TROLLIN'!"

Enough already. We've got at least three months to calm down and take stock, and the last thing we should be doing after the announcement of the Extended Cut (which is, in the words of Vice President Joe Biden, a big f*@$ing deal) is getting pissed and antagonistic towards Bioware. Hasn't anyone ever told you to not bite the hand that feeds you free, industry changing DLC?



Let me just say, I agree with you.

But, after a month of being antagonized and marginalized by the media fans are on edge. Add to that the vague twitter posts and the feeling that we don't rate a straight answer and you get a pretty tense situation.

You are right that we should be more civil toward BW, but its not like like we have no reason at all to be upset.

I am not forgetting the straight answers we have gotten from the folks at BW and I appreciate that very much. I am just pointing out that the fans upset by the ending have gotten very little respect from anyone. Because of that we turn around and take out our frustration on BW, which makes them not want to talk, which gets us even more frustrated and so on. Not saying its wrong or right or trying to blame anyone(except the media went overboard IMO), its just the situation we find ourselves in.

I guess what I am saying is, those of us who didn't like the ending said and did things that were bad, admittedly. But we shouldn't shoulder all the guilt either. I am speaking about those of us who have tried from the very beginning to be civil only to have the actions of a few thrown back in our faces.

I apologize ahead of time if none of that makes sense. Its kind of hard to articulate exactly how I feel on the subject.;)


I think the problem is that fans, while justifiably upset, are asking Bioware to basically spill the beans and let everyone know exactly what's going to happen in the Extended Cut, which would obviously suck and ruin the surprise. Bioware's basically stuck in a catch 22. If they tell everyone to just be patient, because the DLC is awesome, everyone will wig out and rip them a new one. If they break down and go "Okay, basically here's what's going to happen in the Extended cut that we just announced a week ago, and won't be out for a few months" which would ****** everyone off and ruin the surprise.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

What was the pic that Rob posted that drove Mike away?


It was just something making fun of BioWare. But he apologized, on the Internet, and I'd say that deserves a clean slate. :happy:

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Hatikvah07 wrote...

I think the problem is that fans, while justifiably upset, are asking Bioware to basically spill the beans and let everyone know exactly what's going to happen in the Extended Cut, which would obviously suck and ruin the surprise. Bioware's basically stuck in a catch 22. If they tell everyone to just be patient, because the DLC is awesome, everyone will wig out and rip them a new one. If they break down and go "Okay, basically here's what's going to happen in the Extended cut that we just announced a week ago, and won't be out for a few months" which would ****** everyone off and ruin the surprise.


This as far as I am concerned =]

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You know... they don't have to retcon out the Starbrat if they go with IT.
And they've already said they're not retconning out the Starbrat...
*fingers crossed*

Modifié par Valorefane Dragonwinter, 09 avril 2012 - 12:12 .