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[Mathias]

Yeah ok Rob i'll drop it, sorry.

[Reptilian Rob]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yeah ok Rob i'll drop it, sorry.

It's ok, it's just like a shark tank in here right now. 

My fault for starting it, I suppose. 

[CDRSkyShepard]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yeah ok Rob i'll drop it, sorry.

It's ok, it's just like a shark tank in here right now. 

My fault for starting it, I suppose. 

Alright everyone, let's just be calm like platypi.

That's an inside joke with some friends, btw. I just hope the "WTF?" factor will make everyone scratch their heads enough that they calm down a bit. XD

[Kanon777]

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

Modifié par tobito113, 09 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[TMA LIVE]

Does anyone know where I can find a quote from Chris or one of people at PAX about the Shepard Lives needing multiplayer? I remember someone asking him about it.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[Rick Lewis]

I scrolled through some of this thread and boy that had to be embarrassing. But I won't fan the flames and attack nobody. I'm better than that.

[Mathias]

On a side note, if Mike doesn't come back then it's really no loss. It's not like he would've fed us juicy information and to be quite honest, given the things he said about ME3 before release, you really can't trust the guy.

In fact I don't trust any of the devs at Bioware really. If the Extended Cut does turn out to be pretty awesome then they'll probably win back my trust. Especially since  they'll probably be a lot more careful with what they say from now on prior to a game's release.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 09 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[ElcorAmbassador]

Patrick helping cure the ending = Mordin helping cure the Genophage? And since he wrote Mordin... is he role-playing in real life?

[Kanon777]

Enough bout Mike, lets go back to the topic...

[coolbeans]

ElcorAmbassador wrote...

Patrick helping cure the ending = Mordin helping cure the Genophage? And since he wrote Mordin... is he role-playing in real life?

Mind blown!

[Rick Lewis]

tobito113 wrote...

Enough bout Mike, lets go back to the topic...

Fat chance of that but small miricles can and do happen...

[Reptilian Rob]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

On a side note, if Mike doesn't come back then it's really no loss. It's not like he would've fed us juicy information and to be quite honest, given the things he said about ME3 before release, you really can't trust the guy.

In fact I don't trust any of the devs at Bioware really. If the Extended Cut does turn out to be pretty awesome then they'll probably win back my trust. Especially since  they'll probably be a lot more careful with what they say from now on prior to a game's release.

Gamble is trying to help the best way he can, he can't really say anything we want to hear because the EA overlords would hunt him down and make him dissapear. 

He's a good guy and I hope he comes back.

[Anduin The Grey]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

On a side note, if Mike doesn't come back then it's really no loss. It's not like he would've fed us juicy information and to be quite honest, given the things he said about ME3 before release, you really can't trust the guy.

In fact I don't trust any of the devs at Bioware really. If the Extended Cut does turn out to be pretty awesome then they'll probably win back my trust. Especially since  they'll probably be a lot more careful with what they say from now on prior to a game's release.

Speak for yourself, I like the extra info he posted, no spoilers on content we haven't seen either, which even in a spoiler forum is perfectly fine for me

[CDRSkyShepard]

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

I second these, and I also would love it if they added more ending choices/outcomes.

They can keep the endings we already have inact that way, and thus wouldn't violate any "artistic integrity."

A big complaint people have had is the lack of choice and variety, that should be addressed, I think.

[CronoDragoon]

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

I think seeing all the past history stuff from Starchild's POV would have to be something game-long. Putting all of it at the end would be way too much of a pace-breaker and still feel tacked-on.

I also feel like he needs to explain your options better. IE instead of him saying "you can destroy all synthetic life if you want to" have him say "you can destroy the Reapers, but the Crucible will target Reaper code and thus anything with it will be destroyed." It would give a more concrete reason why EDI/the Geth are in danger along with the Reapers.

[Reptilian Rob]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

I second these, and I also would love it if they added more ending choices/outcomes.

They can keep the endings we already have inact that way, and thus wouldn't violate any "artistic integrity."

A big complaint people have had is the lack of choice and variety, that should be addressed, I think.

Honestly, just make IT fact.

Solves every single problem in the last fifteen minutes. 

[Mathias]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

On a side note, if Mike doesn't come back then it's really no loss. It's not like he would've fed us juicy information and to be quite honest, given the things he said about ME3 before release, you really can't trust the guy.

In fact I don't trust any of the devs at Bioware really. If the Extended Cut does turn out to be pretty awesome then they'll probably win back my trust. Especially since  they'll probably be a lot more careful with what they say from now on prior to a game's release.

Speak for yourself, I like the extra info he posted, no spoilers on content we haven't seen either, which even in a spoiler forum is perfectly fine for me

What extra info?

[The Wumpus]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

I second these, and I also would love it if they added more ending choices/outcomes.

They can keep the endings we already have inact that way, and thus wouldn't violate any "artistic integrity."

A big complaint people have had is the lack of choice and variety, that should be addressed, I think.

That raises a good question: How are we, as players and as Shepard, supposed to view the Catalyst? Is he a villain we want to defeat? Is he a trickster trying to deceive us? Is he a messenger telling us we've won? He's kind of all of those things and kind of none of them, and I think part of the reason there's so much friction is because his role is unclear. 

Modifié par The Wumpus, 09 avril 2012 - 12:50 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

CronoDragoon wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

I think seeing all the past history stuff from Starchild's POV would have to be something game-long. Putting all of it at the end would be way too much of a pace-breaker and still feel tacked-on.

I also feel like he needs to explain your options better. IE instead of him saying "you can destroy all synthetic life if you want to" have him say "you can destroy the Reapers, but the Crucible will target Reaper code and thus anything with it will be destroyed." It would give a more concrete reason why EDI/the Geth are in danger along with the Reapers.

I definitely agree wholeheartedly with the bold. An explanation of the choices and why they happen that way/how they happen that way would also be fantastic and less "WTF?" It would help the current endings quite a bit.

[Reptilian Rob]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

On a side note, if Mike doesn't come back then it's really no loss. It's not like he would've fed us juicy information and to be quite honest, given the things he said about ME3 before release, you really can't trust the guy.

In fact I don't trust any of the devs at Bioware really. If the Extended Cut does turn out to be pretty awesome then they'll probably win back my trust. Especially since  they'll probably be a lot more careful with what they say from now on prior to a game's release.

Speak for yourself, I like the extra info he posted, no spoilers on content we haven't seen either, which even in a spoiler forum is perfectly fine for me

What extra info?

I think it's just best if we drop the whole Rob/Mike duel to the death until the end of time collapses thing.

I don't want this topic to be locked because Weekes is a ****ing hero and is a great guy. Lets just resume the topic at hand. If anyone wants to yell at me or discuss this further please feel free to PM me!

[Gespenst]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Alright everyone, let's just be calm like platypi.

That's an inside joke with some friends, btw. I just hope the "WTF?" factor will make everyone scratch their heads enough that they calm down a bit. XD

Hey, I think we can all agree that platypi are awesome

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

...None? I really can't think of anything that would make the ending better short of making the darn Indoctrination ending true and having a golden ending if you managed to clear some specific criteria. But that's not happening since they're not actually changing the ending but 'clarifying' it.

And I suppose making it clear that everyone everywhere isn't dead would improve the ending but not in the way that I think most of us mean.

Modifié par Gespenst, 09 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Anduin The Grey]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

On a side note, if Mike doesn't come back then it's really no loss. It's not like he would've fed us juicy information and to be quite honest, given the things he said about ME3 before release, you really can't trust the guy.

In fact I don't trust any of the devs at Bioware really. If the Extended Cut does turn out to be pretty awesome then they'll probably win back my trust. Especially since  they'll probably be a lot more careful with what they say from now on prior to a game's release.

Speak for yourself, I like the extra info he posted, no spoilers on content we haven't seen either, which even in a spoiler forum is perfectly fine for me

What extra info?

And there we have the problem.

I can think of the odd poster who actually don't matter whether they leave this thread or not before I get to anyone who can remotely post anything with sense let alone the Dev you accused of not mattering at all.

[The Wumpus]

I'll second what Rob just said. We've got a lot of good info to chew on in the OP, and it's better to focus on that.

[mugwuffin1986]

tobito113 wrote...

Lets end silly argument and talk about the future dlc.

So, without removing the Catalyst, what changes we can make to it that would make it better?

-Change the looks of the catalyst? (imo make it like the first species that created the reapers/harbringer original species)
-Add more information on past civilization and why it thinks organics and synthetics will always fight?
-More explanation on how the catalyst works?
-More chances of confrontation/point out the falacies in the Catalyst arguments (Geth/EDI)
- Add a scene where the Cat tries to indocrinate you?

Imo adding more than one "avatar"(the kid) of the catalyst would be a good idea, the scene would make a good paralel with the dreams and each new form would look like one of the people Shepard failed to save during the story, all of them trying to indocrinate him into not fighting against the catalyst's words/desires...

This would also give a nodge of respect to the indoc theory without making it true, imo its a good solution

I think there are a bunch of ways to make the Catalyst a much more interesting character;

• I would change his Avatar to what Harbingers original form was... this would help people get a little Harbinger closure without the need for BioWare's "video gamey" final boss fight.
• Showing how Javik was put into stasis was an awesome section of the DLC, Having something similar showing the final days of what ever "war" the Reapers were created to end would be a really good way to show that the Catalyst isn't a genocidal maniac but a creature that believes he is acting on the only solution he sees fit that can preserve the future of the galaxy.
• Let Shepard Investigate a little more allow him/her to question the Catalyst (make it clear if the Catalyst is infact an AI or a Being of Light as mentioned in the ME Codex)

For me that would flesh out the Catalyst enough to make him more acceptable and also give the fans a few tidbits of interesting lore... for the SPECULATIONS!

Modifié par mugwuffin1986, 09 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Slaiyer]

(Inquisitive) - Would it be hard to make the ending IT, have a linear non-choice ending a few moments after you wake up, then let the EC content take place?