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[Mathias]

Emerald69 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Emerald69 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

For me the main problem is still the relays. Any ending requiring all your races to get back home in decades is going to be at least 75% bitter to me. I don't even care about the choices; the real problem is what happens after NO MATTER WHAT. Relays and Normandy crash. Those are the real nut punches.

Well seeing how the Quarians would need the longest time to get home( approx 23 years @12x light speed). And they are arguabley the best at rebuilding from scraps, they could stay around earth and help the humans rebuild relays or improve FTL drives using reaper tech( since theres plenty just lying around). While other(closer by species) could make the trip home in a reasonable time( 3years) and begin rebuilding some sort of relays in their system.
 It would take some time but it is very fisable that every species will see home again.

Assuming you chose Destroy.

I think that we can assume Destroy is basically the canon ending.

Oh I really REALLY hope so.

[Emerald69]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

so youre saying none of the things i said would improve the catalyst scene?

What?  No I said it would go from being really, really, really bad to just being bad or maybe even mediocre.  Everything you said would make an improvement but improvement =/= good necessarily.

I disagree, even at the end of ME1 it was pretty obvious a conventional war with the Reapers was always going to be impossible.

Yes, which is why the Crucible, even as a DEM itself, is never really called out on as I think a lot of people expected something like that.

Secondly,
I still think the Omega Station looks a little too similar to the
Crucible to be a coincidence, the description in ME2 even matches,
partly and perhaps a little too vaguely.

I'm unsure of what you mean?  Omega is not the Crucible, Omega was built into an astoroid.  

The dimensions of the Crucible and the elegant simple design of the original station
 at Omega plus the fact that when you take of the armoured jacket of the Crucible off, both Omega Station looks remarkably a lot like the Crucible to me. I know it was built out of an asteroid, they mined out the asteroid to build the structure itself.

Okay so Omega looks like the Crucible, I get you... but what does this have to do with what you quoted?

It means I like my plotholes and retcons put in unbreakable canon before I start kicking up a storm, everyone knows Han Solo shot first try telling SW fans he didn't, I wouldn't advise it though!

It's sci-fi, with a few words they can completely change the direction of a story, as long as they aren't dumb about it.

On a personal note, the reason I like musing over the whole Omega Station looks like the Crucible (maybe I wasn't wearing said tin foil hat when a Reaper passed too close near the Earth ), is it made me wonder why they would add a second Crucible, unless the first one got destroyed and had to use the second. TIM already took over the Crucible, are they just painting over an option they dropped or is this still something we have yet to see?

It was my understanding that Omega  is a city built on a large asteroid, which is why it looks so strange.

[nevar00]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

so youre saying none of the things i said would improve the catalyst scene?

What?  No I said it would go from being really, really, really bad to just being bad or maybe even mediocre.  Everything you said would make an improvement but improvement =/= good necessarily.

I disagree, even at the end of ME1 it was pretty obvious a conventional war with the Reapers was always going to be impossible.

Yes, which is why the Crucible, even as a DEM itself, is never really called out on as I think a lot of people expected something like that.

Secondly,
I still think the Omega Station looks a little too similar to the
Crucible to be a coincidence, the description in ME2 even matches,
partly and perhaps a little too vaguely.

I'm unsure of what you mean?  Omega is not the Crucible, Omega was built into an astoroid.  

The dimensions of the Crucible and the elegant simple design of the original station
 at Omega plus the fact that when you take of the armoured jacket of the Crucible off, both Omega Station looks remarkably a lot like the Crucible to me. I know it was built out of an asteroid, they mined out the asteroid to build the structure itself.

Okay so Omega looks like the Crucible, I get you... but what does this have to do with what you quoted?

It means I like my plotholes and retcons put in unbreakable canon before I start kicking up a storm, everyone knows Han Solo shot first try telling SW fans he didn't, I wouldn't advise it though!

It's sci-fi, with a few words they can completely change the direction of a story, as long as they aren't dumb about it.

On a personal note, the reason I like musing over the whole Omega Station looks like the Crucible (maybe I wasn't wearing said tin foil hat when a Reaper passed too close near the Earth ), is it made me wonder why they would add a second Crucible, unless the first one got destroyed and had to use the second. TIM already took over the Crucible, are they just painting over an option they dropped or is this still something we have yet to see?

I'm sorry I'm just having trouble seeing where you're going with this lol.  Are you saying the Omega might have been a failed Crucible from an earlier cycle?  Because if so that's pretty interesting, but at the moment it's just speculation () until we hear otherwise. 

I get your point about unbreakable canon though.  The thing is however in my opinion is that as this is the last title in the game, it was supposed to wrap up all lose ends, yet this ending only spills out a bunch of what a lot lable as "plot holes".  Yes, some or even most CAN be explained away... relatively easily, but until that happens... we're left assuming that these will remain unnanswered outside of tweets and the like and will therefore be left up to, I guess Occam's Razor, in a way, although I don't think I'm using that exactly the right way.

Modifié par nevar00, 09 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[Emerald69]

"Assuming you chose Destroy."
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I think that we can assume Destroy is basically the canon ending.

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"Oh I really REALLY hope so."[/quote]

Well any other ending would basically end the Mass Effect univers, Its kind of difficult to continue considering every one is Half machine or Shepard is in control of an armada of colossal killing machines. Plus Shep only lives in the Destroy ending!.

Modifié par Emerald69, 09 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[Anduin The Grey]

nevar00 wrote...


I'm sorry I'm just having trouble seeing where you're going with this lol.  Are you saying the Omega might have been a failed Crucible from an earlier cycle?  Because if so that's pretty interesting, but at the moment it's just speculation () until we hear otherwise. 

Yes it is and yes it is complete speculation if not even a plot event that was thrown away for whatever reason just like the Dark Energy story was.

[Emerald69]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

nevar00 wrote...


I'm sorry I'm just having trouble seeing where you're going with this lol.  Are you saying the Omega might have been a failed Crucible from an earlier cycle?  Because if so that's pretty interesting, but at the moment it's just speculation () until we hear otherwise. 

Yes it is and yes it is complete speculation if not even a plot event that was thrown away for whatever reason just like the Dark Energy story was.

Yes... lots of speculation from everyone... MUAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

[Anduin The Grey]

Someone in another thread came out with a great comment, no, not the one about the Phalanx vibrating barrel and Cortez!

The one where someone said, something along the lines of, I get pretty angry when I find out I just wasted 5 years of my life. If there are plot holes in unbreakable canon I can't imagine anyone not getting angry, for myself, I'd be pretty damn furiuous, furious enough to be furious for 5 years with anyone and anything that had anything to do with my being furious.
:P

[SomeKindaEnigma]

So what is it with the idiots who enjoy driving the devs away? Do you just enjoy it? Or are you so attention-deficient in your actual real(?) lives that you have to do whatever you can to be an ass on the internet, behind your little e-cloaks? Get a life (or two) and either contribute to an actual conversation without hostility or do something with yourselves other than be jerkoffs on here at our expense.

[Necrotron]

Mystiq6 wrote...

Can people please stop posting things that are just going to drive away any communication between us and Bioware?

Please. 

[wicked_being]

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...



Weekes holding three folders of fan feedback, per Merizan.

Haha funny how if this picture was posted a couple of weeks back, a lot of people including myself would've raged at Mr. Weekes. Now I just find it humorous. Probably because I'm just tried of hating? Probably because of renewed hope?

And look at that ring

Modifié par wicked_being, 09 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[Valorefane Dragonwinter]

Things that will be done/explained with the extended ending DLC:

• Creeper starchildbratdeusex WILL NOT be retconned.
• RGB endings WILL NOT be changed.
• Mass Relays didn't blow up their home systems, contrary to previous info.
• Everyone is not stuck and turians/quarians/krogan/etc. won't starve to death.
• Explanation of what Joker was doing running away.
• Citadel is somewhat intact - not everyone on it died.
• Reunite with LI and crew. (maybe)

About the only way I can see all of this falling together in a reasonable fashion is IT.  Anyone else agree or am I the only one here?

And, if folks don't agree, please tell me how all of the above things can happen without IT.  I've been trying to find a way to do it (without creating even more plot holes) and I'm not having a great deal of success.

Also, please use logical discussion.

Modifié par Valorefane Dragonwinter, 09 avril 2012 - 02:10 .

[wesr]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

What was the pic that Rob posted that drove Mike away?

bioware logo with a troll face...

Oh god is that it? Come on now

I'm defending Rob on this one if Mike can't handle a little humor.

I agree. I found it funny and that's probably the least offensive thing possible that could be posted.

[pikey1969]

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

Things that will be done/explained with the extended ending DLC:

• Creeper starchildbratdeusex WILL NOT be retconned.
• RGB endings WILL NOT be changed.
• Mass Relays didn't blow up their home systems, contrary to previous info.
• Everyone is not stuck and turians/quarians/krogan/etc. won't starve to death.
• Explanation of what Joker was doing running away.
• Citadel is somewhat intact - not everyone on it died.
• Reunite with LI and crew. (maybe)

About the only way I can see all of this falling together in a reasonable fashion is IT.  Anyone else agree or am I the only one here?

And, if folks don't agree, please tell me how all of the above things can happen without IT.  I've been trying to find a way to do it (without creating even more plot holes) and I'm not having a great deal of success.

Also, please use logical discussion.

IT pretty much turns the game from a RGB ending to R ending. So, no I doubt it.

[zzcoreyzz]

This post is made of win.

Bioware should do stuff like this more often, I think they are forgetting that most of us here used to be their most loyal fans - we aren't here to hate and destroy everything they do, we are just really frustrated with the ending and how they've avoided answering any specific questions, calling us entitled and hiding behind artistic integrity.
Hell, if your artistic integrity is important, defend the ending properly, not by simply saying its good, explain what you were trying to do.

It may be too little to late, but my anger level has dropped considerably from reading a single interview.

[DarkSpider88]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Of course joker wouldn't abandon Shepard for no reason, and yes - let's not underestimate FTL here let's also not forget about quantum communication...or the incredible store of food rations that the Normandy has.

Okay I hate to be nitpicking but we are to believe the Normandy has a lifttime supply of food for Tali and Garrus <_<

Also that the Stargazer scene basically says the crew from the Normandy hever left the planet. So either Normandy's communications are completely dead or the tech no longer works.

I keep speculating and I keep finding more problems than answers.

[Gweedotk]

I think that we can assume Destroy is basically the canon ending.

Well any other ending would basically end the Mass Effect univers, Its kind of difficult to continue considering every one is Half machine or Shepard is in control of an armada of colossal killing machines. Plus Shep only lives in the Destroy ending!.

Um, no? This game was intended to be the end of shepards story, a fourth game with Shepard will burn it all out. Besides, I chose synthesis for the reason that evolution will boil down to synthetics vs organics and I'm pretty sure synthetic life will win out, as they can adapt quicker and easier than organics can.

Further games can be made in the ME universe either following Shepards story, during, or before. With a different character or selection of characters.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 09 avril 2012 - 02:13 .

[Emerald69]

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

Things that will be done/explained with the extended ending DLC:

• Creeper starchildbratdeusex WILL NOT be retconned.
• RGB endings WILL NOT be changed.
• Mass Relays didn't blow up their home systems, contrary to previous info.
• Everyone is not stuck and turians/quarians/krogan/etc. won't starve to death.
• Explanation of what Joker was doing running away.
• Citadel is somewhat intact - not everyone on it died.
• Reunite with LI and crew. (maybe)

About the only way I can see all of this falling together in a reasonable fashion is IT.  Anyone else agree or am I the only one here?

And, if folks don't agree, please tell me how all of the above things can happen without IT.  I've been trying to find a way to do it (without creating even more plot holes) and I'm not having a great deal of success.

Also, please use logical discussion.

The Mass Relays apperantley overloaded, and didn't explode into a supernova. All the races still have FTL drives which can be greatly improved with leftover Reaper tech. The Citadel chunks still have an atmosphere, people may still be alive, if they didn't take the full impact of the Citadel explosion. Shepard somehow survived the Reentery into Earth, but suffered some heavy burns. 
This is just what I pieced together from the Bioware employee responses, and I am really looking forward to seeing how they "Clarify" the Joker running away thing.

[mugwuffin1986]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Of course joker wouldn't abandon Shepard for no reason, and yes - let's not underestimate FTL here let's also not forget about quantum communication...or the incredible store of food rations that the Normandy has.

Okay I hate to be nitpicking but we are to believe the Normandy has a lifttime supply of food for Tali and Garrus <_<

Also that the Stargazer scene basically says the crew from the Normandy hever left the planet. So either Normandy's communications are completely dead or the tech no longer works.

I keep speculating and I keep finding more problems than answers.

The stargazer scene has nothing to do with the Normandy... people just seemed to put them together because they both have 2 moons/planets and one follows the other. 

[xsdob]

Opsrbest wrote...

So in 61 pages have you all managed to dissect and conclude that the OP's post is invalid yet?

Or are we stuck at non-sequiter?

Oh, hello again.

So, you been up to anything since you last posted here? Seen any good topics on the BSN since yestarday?:happy:

Modifié par xsdob, 09 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Valorefane Dragonwinter]

pikey1969 wrote...

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

Things that will be done/explained with the extended ending DLC:

• Creeper starchildbratdeusex WILL NOT be retconned.
• RGB endings WILL NOT be changed.
• Mass Relays didn't blow up their home systems, contrary to previous info.
• Everyone is not stuck and turians/quarians/krogan/etc. won't starve to death.
• Explanation of what Joker was doing running away.
• Citadel is somewhat intact - not everyone on it died.
• Reunite with LI and crew. (maybe)

About the only way I can see all of this falling together in a reasonable fashion is IT.  Anyone else agree or am I the only one here?

And, if folks don't agree, please tell me how all of the above things can happen without IT.  I've been trying to find a way to do it (without creating even more plot holes) and I'm not having a great deal of success.

Also, please use logical discussion.

IT pretty much turns the game from a RGB ending to R ending. So, no I doubt it.

I'm not sure I follow that.  How does it turn it into just an R ending?  Since everything from the laser to the face on would all be in Shepard's mind...

It's like that one whole season of Dallas when I was a kid.  Whatever her name was wakes up and the dude is in the shower... even though he'd been dead for a season.  It was all a dream.

[Valorefane Dragonwinter]

Emerald69 wrote...

The Mass Relays apperantley overloaded, and didn't explode into a supernova. All the races still have FTL drives which can be greatly improved with leftover Reaper tech. The Citadel chunks still have an atmosphere, people may still be alive, if they didn't take the full impact of the Citadel explosion. Shepard somehow survived the Reentery into Earth, but suffered some heavy burns. 
This is just what I pieced together from the Bioware employee responses, and I am really looking forward to seeing how they "Clarify" the Joker running away thing.

I know what the responses have been, but I did say without opening any more plot holes. 

The thing is, they have to explain ALL of the things I mentioned.  Not because I said so, but because they said they were.  

How would Shepard survive plummeting to Earth from space?  It's not physically possible.

[Delta_V2]

Emerald69 wrote...


The Mass Relays apperantley overloaded, and didn't explode into a supernova. All the races still have FTL drives which can be greatly improved with leftover Reaper tech. The Citadel chunks still have an atmosphere, people may still be alive, if they didn't take the full impact of the Citadel explosion. Shepard somehow survived the Reentery into Earth, but suffered some heavy burns. 
This is just what I pieced together from the Bioware employee responses, and I am really looking forward to seeing how they "Clarify" the Joker running away thing.

@bolded:  I don't know if they can.  I've tried to come up with explanations, and I keep coming back to the same problem:  Retreat was not an option.  Anderson even said this himself before the final push.  They had staked everything on getting people up to the Citadel.  If their initial attack failed, they had to try again.  They had no choice.  Even if they saw Shepard reach the beam, there was no reason not to follow Shepard (since that is also when Harbinger left, leaving a clear path to the beam).

Synthesis has the same problem.  I just see no logical explanation.  The Catalyst might be salvagable with some work, and so could Destroy and Control, but I see no hope for Synthesis.  It's been overused, but:

EDIT: The Shepard lives scene will also be...problematic, to say the least.

Modifié par Delta_V2, 09 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[SpatFieya]

Destroy still seems like the best option. Any Reaper that's alive is a threat.

[Emerald69]

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

Emerald69 wrote...

The Mass Relays apperantley overloaded, and didn't explode into a supernova. All the races still have FTL drives which can be greatly improved with leftover Reaper tech. The Citadel chunks still have an atmosphere, people may still be alive, if they didn't take the full impact of the Citadel explosion. Shepard somehow survived the Reentery into Earth, but suffered some heavy burns. 
This is just what I pieced together from the Bioware employee responses, and I am really looking forward to seeing how they "Clarify" the Joker running away thing.

I know what the responses have been, but I did say without opening any more plot holes. 

The thing is, they have to explain ALL of the things I mentioned.  Not because I said so, but because they said they were.  

How would Shepard survive plummeting to Earth from space?  It's not physically possible.

They made the universe so I'm sure they can bend the rules a little while still filling in Plotholes.
And I'm sorry I can't answer all your points, but I don't have access to anymore information than you do, so... we can keep brain storming but nothing's official until Bioware say so.

I honestly think we should let IT go, I used to be a strong supporter of the theory until the announcement, now I just think that they're trying to meet us half- way, and hoping for them to implament Indoctrination theory just isn't realistic sadly.

[Delta_V2]

Emerald69 wrote...
They made the universe so I'm sure they can bend the rules a little while still filling in Plotholes.
And I'm sorry I can't answer all your points, but I don't have access to anymore information than you do, so... we can keep brain storming but nothing's official until Bioware say so.

I honestly think we should let IT go, I used to be a strong supporter of the theory until the announcement, now I just think that they're trying to meet us half- way, and hoping for them to implament Indoctrination theory just isn't realistic sadly.

This can work for some things, but they will have a harder time with things that  might be physically possible, but make no logical sense.  Namely, Joker running away.