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[xsdob]

kbct wrote...

Wrex4Life wrote...

I don't get how this DLC is going to be gameplay related and not just a bunch of cinematics, in two of the endings Shepard is ****ing disintegrated

It's not gonna be gameplay related. The ending will NOT be changed. It's just some additional movie scenes to provide clarity and closure. It will be the shortest DLC ever.

Not disintegrated, but bittersweeted.

Why thank you regional psychic of alberta province. So since you can now see the fututre, is stephen harper going to win the next election, or is the liberal party fianlly going to make a comeback?

[kbct]

xsdob wrote...

kbct wrote...

Wrex4Life wrote...

I don't get how this DLC is going to be gameplay related and not just a bunch of cinematics, in two of the endings Shepard is ****ing disintegrated

It's not gonna be gameplay related. The ending will NOT be changed. It's just some additional movie scenes to provide clarity and closure. It will be the shortest DLC ever.

Not disintegrated, but bittersweeted.

Why thank you regional psychic of alberta province. So since you can now see the fututre, is stephen harper going to win the next election, or is the liberal party fianlly going to make a comeback?

From the sticky at the top of forum:

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

From BioWare's announcement:

"Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes"

You got evidence to suggest otherwise?

[xsdob]

kbct wrote...

xsdob wrote...

kbct wrote...

Wrex4Life wrote...

I don't get how this DLC is going to be gameplay related and not just a bunch of cinematics, in two of the endings Shepard is ****ing disintegrated

It's not gonna be gameplay related. The ending will NOT be changed. It's just some additional movie scenes to provide clarity and closure. It will be the shortest DLC ever.

Not disintegrated, but bittersweeted.

Why thank you regional psychic of alberta province. So since you can now see the fututre, is stephen harper going to win the next election, or is the liberal party fianlly going to make a comeback?

From the sticky at the top of forum:

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

From BioWare's announcement:

"Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes"

You got evidence to suggest otherwise?

True, but that is still vauge and with the project being in the development stage, any imput they get will probably have some sway as to what they do.

Will they get rid of it completly, no. Will what they add on act as pretty much changing the endings by filling in most of the plotholes to where things are much more accpetable, probably. Can arguing that their should be more gameplay help them add more gameply, it couldn't hurt.

And at pax, bioware pretty much stated flat out about the extended cut that it wouldn't just be a bunch of cinematics, but I guess since this is evidence of something positive happening, it'sll be either dismissed as pr talk or lumped into the false advertising camp, since those make up the two largest blocks here on the forums.

But what your doing, saying that it will just be a bunch of cinematics, and casting that as being something negative, and stating it in a "this is a fact and set in stone" type of way, and basing it around a semantic interpretation of a press release on a product still in the development stage. All of this makes it seem like your divining your answers, instead of making educated guesses.

Modifié par xsdob, 08 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[kbct]

xsdob wrote...

True, but that is still vauge and with the project being in the development stage, any imput they get will probably have some sway as to what they do.

Will they get rid of it completly, no. Will what they add on act as pretty much changing the endings by filling in most of the plotholes to where things are much more accpetable, probably. Can arguing that their should be more gameplay help them add more gameply, it couldn't hurt.

And at pax, bioware pretty much stated flat out about the extended cut that it wouldn't just be a bunch of cinematics, but I guess since this is evidence of something positive happening, it'sll be either dismissed as pr talk or lumped into the false advertising camp, since those make up the two largest blocks here on the forums.

But what your doing, saying that it will just be a bunch of cinematics, and casting that as being something negative, and stating it in a "this is a fact and set in stone" type of way, and basing it around a semantic interpretation of a press release on a product still in the development stage. All of this makes it seem like your divining your answers, instead of making educated guesses.

I am only using the information that has been provided to us. The sticky says at least three times the ending won't be changed. All evidence provided in statements and the sticky say the same thing about what they plan to do as well. They plan to add additional cinematic scenes and an epilogue.

Clarity and closure. In what will be the shortest DLC ever.

You want to speculate. If you have proof, any proof, that there will be additional gameplay then give us a quote or link or something. Otherwise you're guessing.

Let's hear the PAX quote. I'm willing to consider all evidence.

Modifié par kbct, 08 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[SalsaDMA]

xsdob wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

CerberusCheerleader wrote...

Bomberman2_0 wrote...
People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed.

No, this is not how this works. People would have always been curious to find out what lies beyond what they can reach with the Mass Relays. If FTL technology could be vastely improved, it would have been.

Not to mention that FTL is already extensively used in the Mass effect universe. Heck, even the citadel has discharge-anchors for them as witnessed by the codex.

Also, FTL speed gives clear military advantages in troop deployments, so I find it odd to claim any of the militiaries should not have invested in getting ahead on this curve. Especially the Alliance fleet, considered that their entire doctrine is about mobile troop deployment.

Okay than, answer me this, what would you rather have, a smooth freeway that cuts down all your travel time to about one to two minutes regardless of distance, and never has to be paved and where traffic jams are the once in a blue moon occurance, or a beat up pothole riddien 200 mile long 4 hour non-stop drive that you need to completly redisgn your car to travel on.

Needless to say, you'd use the freeway, and wouldn't give a crap about going onto that dirt road. That's pretty much what the relays do to races, it makes them complaciant so that they only need to use FTL to get from their planets to the relay and whatever other planets are nearby other relays, pacifying their desire to explore and innovate with complacincy and the thought that this is the peak of technological innovation and that we don't need to work at inventing different travel means anymore.

You'll note I mentioned military advatnages, right?

Here's a pop quiz, since you seem to want to communicate in that kind of language:

You need to re-inforce a position with troops. Do you:

a) Send the troops along the route containing top notch ambush spots where hostile forces could wreck you before you even know what hits you?

or

send the troops along the route that doesn't contain top notch ambush spots?

Only if the timeframe involved in option 'b' makes the movement pointless would you ever consider option a.

That's why the alliance fleet, given its doctrine, would invest heavily into upgrading their FTL if it was possible. If anything, the 'ambush' their ships acidently entered with their first contact with the Turians would show just how dangerous relay-travel into contested areas can be.

[SalsaDMA]

xsdob wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

From the ME Wiki- 

"The Catalyst serves as the architect and overseer of the Reapers and their cycle of destruction. As it explained to Commander Shepard,
the Catalyst was tasked with solving a dire problem: the inevitable
creation of synthetic intelligence by advanced organic civilizations,
and the equally inevitable conflict that results. It chose to resolve
this problem by putting in place a system which would prevent any
advanced civilization from reaching that point.
The Catalyst's solution took the form of the Reapers.
Space-faring organic species would be harvested and processed, with
millions of bodies and minds from each race being processed and
converted into new Reapers, even as the Reapers themselves worked to
destroy their civilizations. By doing this, the Reapers preserved the
harvested races, while allowing more primitive races to advance and
ensuring that the threat of complete annihilation of organics by
synthetics was averted."

This does not at all sound like the Catalyst had "no active role" in the cycle. It was aware of what its Reapers were doing and certainly would not have been unaware of the Protheans and what they were doing to stop the cycle.

Actally nothing in there says it had an active role.  All we know is that it set things in motion long ago.  It created the system.  It is not part of the system

Okay, the wiki entry seemed clear enough to me but for sake of argument we'll say it's sufficiently vague to allow for an opposing view. So... it created this entire system, believing it was the best way to preserve life in the galaxy and then did nothing else to keep it in motion? Really? 

In all honestly, I would think that without a physical body to manipulate, that the catalyst simply does not have the means to oversee it's cycles without the keepers. The catalyst probably goes into the same dormant state that the reapers do, maybe passivley collecting all the information that is sent throught the citadel in order to aid in the invasion process, it is in this dormancy phase that the protheans probably struck with reprograming the keepers to ignore the reapers signals.

So when the catalyst awakened from soverigns signal, it found that it could not make the keepers activate the mass relay or shut down the other relays. So, it pretty much has control over that hidden room in the citadel and nothing else, thanks to the keepers no longer listening to it.

See the problem with what you said? Assumptions, with literally zero context from the game to put them in.

[Applepie_Svk]

Bomberman2_0 wrote...


The Reapers didn't shut down the mass relays because the Keepers interfered with that. (I wish I could've asked a follow-up here, it doesn't make much sense.)

This fact i was prefering as cannon agaisnt Catalyst since i finished my first playthrough.

[xsdob]

SalsaDMA wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

From the ME Wiki- 

"The Catalyst serves as the architect and overseer of the Reapers and their cycle of destruction. As it explained to Commander Shepard,
the Catalyst was tasked with solving a dire problem: the inevitable
creation of synthetic intelligence by advanced organic civilizations,
and the equally inevitable conflict that results. It chose to resolve
this problem by putting in place a system which would prevent any
advanced civilization from reaching that point.
The Catalyst's solution took the form of the Reapers.
Space-faring organic species would be harvested and processed, with
millions of bodies and minds from each race being processed and
converted into new Reapers, even as the Reapers themselves worked to
destroy their civilizations. By doing this, the Reapers preserved the
harvested races, while allowing more primitive races to advance and
ensuring that the threat of complete annihilation of organics by
synthetics was averted."

This does not at all sound like the Catalyst had "no active role" in the cycle. It was aware of what its Reapers were doing and certainly would not have been unaware of the Protheans and what they were doing to stop the cycle.

Actally nothing in there says it had an active role.  All we know is that it set things in motion long ago.  It created the system.  It is not part of the system

Okay, the wiki entry seemed clear enough to me but for sake of argument we'll say it's sufficiently vague to allow for an opposing view. So... it created this entire system, believing it was the best way to preserve life in the galaxy and then did nothing else to keep it in motion? Really? 

In all honestly, I would think that without a physical body to manipulate, that the catalyst simply does not have the means to oversee it's cycles without the keepers. The catalyst probably goes into the same dormant state that the reapers do, maybe passivley collecting all the information that is sent throught the citadel in order to aid in the invasion process, it is in this dormancy phase that the protheans probably struck with reprograming the keepers to ignore the reapers signals.

So when the catalyst awakened from soverigns signal, it found that it could not make the keepers activate the mass relay or shut down the other relays. So, it pretty much has control over that hidden room in the citadel and nothing else, thanks to the keepers no longer listening to it.

See the problem with what you said? Assumptions, with literally zero context from the game to put them in.

So, the same goes for you.

[OdanUrr]

In the Control ending we see the Citadel closing and leaving Earth, so it's not a stretch to assume the Catalyst has some control over the Citadel.

[SalsaDMA]

xsdob wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

From the ME Wiki- 

"The Catalyst serves as the architect and overseer of the Reapers and their cycle of destruction. As it explained to Commander Shepard,
the Catalyst was tasked with solving a dire problem: the inevitable
creation of synthetic intelligence by advanced organic civilizations,
and the equally inevitable conflict that results. It chose to resolve
this problem by putting in place a system which would prevent any
advanced civilization from reaching that point.
The Catalyst's solution took the form of the Reapers.
Space-faring organic species would be harvested and processed, with
millions of bodies and minds from each race being processed and
converted into new Reapers, even as the Reapers themselves worked to
destroy their civilizations. By doing this, the Reapers preserved the
harvested races, while allowing more primitive races to advance and
ensuring that the threat of complete annihilation of organics by
synthetics was averted."

This does not at all sound like the Catalyst had "no active role" in the cycle. It was aware of what its Reapers were doing and certainly would not have been unaware of the Protheans and what they were doing to stop the cycle.

Actally nothing in there says it had an active role.  All we know is that it set things in motion long ago.  It created the system.  It is not part of the system

Okay, the wiki entry seemed clear enough to me but for sake of argument we'll say it's sufficiently vague to allow for an opposing view. So... it created this entire system, believing it was the best way to preserve life in the galaxy and then did nothing else to keep it in motion? Really? 

In all honestly, I would think that without a physical body to manipulate, that the catalyst simply does not have the means to oversee it's cycles without the keepers. The catalyst probably goes into the same dormant state that the reapers do, maybe passivley collecting all the information that is sent throught the citadel in order to aid in the invasion process, it is in this dormancy phase that the protheans probably struck with reprograming the keepers to ignore the reapers signals.

So when the catalyst awakened from soverigns signal, it found that it could not make the keepers activate the mass relay or shut down the other relays. So, it pretty much has control over that hidden room in the citadel and nothing else, thanks to the keepers no longer listening to it.

See the problem with what you said? Assumptions, with literally zero context from the game to put them in.

So, the same goes for you.

No. The difference is making asumptions on what the game has shown to follow of rules so far.

Your assumption is based on a 14 sentence entry in the final throes of the game that states nothing in relation to the asumptions you are making.

[_symphony]

So BioWare doesn't get the resources needed for make BioWare games, I'm uninstalling Origin, screw EA.

[Tazzmission]

thanks op

[Zerox Z21]

'Resources' meaning 'work force before release'. Which can be worked around by time. Meaning the only real reason is a forced release date for no good reason.

I don't get the logic. EA pushes game for release for money, but this makes the game worse and ultimately less money. I doubt it could affect the time schedules of other games, so how does releasing one early make any difference except getting money sooner? Not sure why the rush there. Even from a business standpoint it makes no sense. Maybe I'm just ignorant, but...

Unless resources simply means lack of disc space or something. But an awful lot of stuff was duplicated on those discs. I hardly had to swap discs at all, seemed worse than the ME2 situation.

[Tazzmission]

i think the devs will deliver with the extended cut dlc

despite negative feelings from alot of fans you cant deny they love the fans

[kbct]

Well, we have more evidence that the god-child will still be IN THE GAME:

"Is your question about whether or not we are going to retcon the catalyst? The answer is no. We've already said we are not changing the endings, but again - there are many things that we *can* do without changing them." -Michael Gamble

What kind of things do you think BioWare *can* do without changing the ending?

Modifié par kbct, 08 avril 2012 - 07:51 .

[Tazzmission]

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i think the devs will deliver with the extended cut dlc

despite negative feelings from alot of fans you cant deny they love the fans

Can deny, they didn't really listen to what most of us asked for, which was more than just closure

like i said we wont know anything till summer so i think we all just need to kick back relax 


for all we know it could be more then just cinematics

we just dont know yet and always assuming the worst isnt a good thing

[kbct]

Tazzmission wrote...

like i said we wont know anything till summer so i think we all just need to kick back relax 

We know this:

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

We know there will be no new ending. Only cinematic and epilogue scenes.

Why do you speculate there will be more than what they've said over and over?

[kalle90]

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

like i said we wont know anything till summer so i think we all just need to kick back relax 

We know this:

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

We know there will be no new ending. Only cinematic and epilogue scenes.

Why do you speculate there will be more than what they've said over and over?

Well I don't believe it but we all know how Bioware likes to twist words and be vague... So nowhere they say there will NOT be gameplay sections.

Ofc all this scandal has made me believe Bioware has no master plan and they aren't holding stuff back to surprise everyone. They are honestly having a spontaneous reaction to the backlash.

[mauro2222]

It's sad that a writer who had nothing to do with the ending, is the one giving the answers.

[Annihilator27]

This clears some things up, Thanks Patrick.

[kbct]

kalle90 wrote...

kbct wrote...
We know this:

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

We know there will be no new ending. Only cinematic and epilogue scenes.

Why do you speculate there will be more than what they've said over and over?

Well I don't believe it but we all know how Bioware likes to twist words and be vague... So nowhere they say there will NOT be gameplay sections.

Ofc all this scandal has made me believe Bioware has no master plan and they aren't holding stuff back to surprise everyone. They are honestly having a spontaneous reaction to the backlash.

The lack of evidence is not evidence. If they didn't repeat the same statements over and over, I might be willing to consider it. However, at this point, I need evidence, any evidence, to suggest the DLC will be more than what has been stated over and over.

I don't think their reaction is spontaneous at all. I think it is scripted from the PR playbook:

http://social.biowar.../index/10084349

We are getting a short DLC to provide clarity and closure. Nothing more.

If you think there is more, provide evidence.

Modifié par kbct, 08 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[mauro2222]

I heard somewhere that they are contacting the VAs... I'm skeptic about it, but does anyone have any solid info about it?

[ZombifiedJake]

mauro2222 wrote...

It's sad that a writer who had nothing to do with the ending, is the one giving the answers.

Indeed. They can remain silent if they want, lousy, but it's their game. But a lot of people (myself included) would sure as hell like to hear what they have to say instead of "we're listening".

[kbct]

mauro2222 wrote...

I heard somewhere that they are contacting the VAs... I'm skeptic about it, but does anyone have any solid info about it?

They haven't contacted the VAs yet, but I think I read they plan to. Not sure when though. However, they will need to contact them if they want to plug some of the plotholes.