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[Grimy Bunyip]

while I think human vanguard is good, I think it's ironic that it's in the category titled:
"you can't really go wrong with these"

[GodlessPaladin]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

while I think human vanguard is good, I think it's ironic that it's in the category titled:
"you can't really go wrong with these"

*Shrug* any class played badly is bad.

Incidentally, time to add new classes.  I've unlocked two Batarians and an Asari Justicar. 

I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to get the most out of my bubble.  The need for camping to make the maximum use of it seems like it could be a big hindrance for speed clears, and so far I am missing Cluster Grenades for such utilities as breaking grabs easily.  I am not sure if the bubble auto-explosion can break grabs.  I will hae to test this.  If it can, then it may very well play the role of a sturdier drell.  One that synergizes really well with the Salarian Engineer.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 11 avril 2012 - 05:06 .

[Sabresandiego]

I find both batarians to be terrible, especially the sentinel. I updated my class ratings guide, these are the only 2 I have unlocked.

[GodlessPaladin]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I find both batarians to be terrible, especially the sentinel. I updated my class ratings guide, these are the only 2 I have unlocked.

I am testing the Batarians right now.  I don't get what is supposed to be good about blade Armor, unless it actually does something like instakill phantoms that melee you and stop melees from hurting you.

Man I wish I could get Geth or the Krogan Vanguard.  I love Vanguards and I love Krogan.  I want the Krogan Vanguard!!

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 11 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Sabresandiego]

Your tierlist matches mine almost exactly now, aside from your unplaced classes.

[GodlessPaladin]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Your tierlist matches mine almost exactly now, aside from your unplaced classes.

Uhm, is that supposed to be a bad thing or something?   

[GodlessPaladin]

Based on my initial testing, I am making a whole new tier just to describe how ****ty the Batarian Soldier is. I really hope I'm missing something.

[RustyMcBlade]

Wow, the Asari Vanguard is one of the toughest classes in the game. Most ppl just dont know how to use 'em I guess...

[dipss]

I honostly don't see what everyone's problem is with the batarians, or atleast the batarian soldier. Im having a blast with ballistic blades on silver(trying gold tonight or tomorrow). I haven't missed with those things once, got a kill everytime I shoot them. They're perfect for fast clearing those pesky husks (blade armor doesn't stop them from jumping on you). And (if specced right) the explosion that comes after 3 or 4 sec enables you to ignore that enemy when their health is low enough and focus on the next target. Ignoring the inferno apples, Im a beast on my batarian soldier with GPS. The amount of hp/shield I got + blade armor (specced for dura) makes me durable enough to withstand a pounding incase Im stunned or can't find sufficient hiding places. And the fact that we run very fast enables me (atleast) to run the crap away from ravagers/atlas'/primes shooting their things at me. So far, on silver matches anyway Ive only die like once per match, acted as a rez chicken and was even 1st on scoreboard (not that that matters..but hey). You just have to get the feel with these guys.

edit: I got a few hours after DLC was unlocked so yes Ive played more then enough silver matches with it.

Modifié par dipss, 11 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[GodlessPaladin]

RustyMcBlade wrote...

Wow, the Asari Vanguard is one of the toughest classes in the game. Most ppl just dont know how to use 'em I guess...

Most people don't know how to use most classes.

dipss wrote...

I honostly don't see what everyone's
problem is with the batarians, or atleast the batarian soldier. Im
having a blast with ballistic blades on silver.

Gold is not like Silver.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 04:59 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Update:  Finally got the Krogan Vanguard, and it is buggy as hell.  It doesn't even get a damage bonus from rage properly. 

Here's video proof of me testing it:


So far I'm hugely disappointed with two out of the three classes I've gotten.  The krogan vanguard's melee doesn't function, and the Batarian seems to bug out just trying to fire his ballistic blades over cover.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[ElementL09]

I would think the Salarian Engineer would be in the A tier. Energy Drain plus Decoy, you really can't go wrong with him. I'm kinda shocked the Drell Adept beat him.

[GodlessPaladin]

ElementL09 wrote...

I would think the Salarian Engineer would be in the A tier. Energy Drain plus Decoy, you really can't go wrong with him. I'm kinda shocked the Drell Adept beat him.

Did you read the explanation for why that is?  Remember that this list rates efficiency of clearing Gold much more highly than it rates "easy to use."  The Drell Adept is a top tier candidate for speed clears.

I've yet to see a run under 17 minutes with a Salarian Engineer, however.  However, this might be an issue worth revisiting, particularly given the buffs to non-biotic explosions.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 avril 2012 - 08:19 .

[Drummernate]

*Cough* A+ Geth Infiltrator Melee Build *Cough*

Although I have yet to try it on Reapers... It seemed to be wrecking Cerberus & Geth. (Until we all died and only the Glass Cannons were left. )

They definitely need support classes to distract enemies and to revive when needed, but jeez, try using a Decoy + Melee! Say goodbye to those 6 enemies... they are now goop.

Modifié par Drummernate, 13 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Crimzoneyed]

Drummernate wrote...

*Cough* A+ Geth Infiltrator Melee Build *Cough*

Although I have yet to try it on Reapers... It seemed to be wrecking Cerberus & Geth. (Until we all died and only the Glass Cannons were left. )

They definitely need support classes to distract enemies and to revive when needed, but jeez, try using a Decoy + Melee! Say goodbye to those 6 enemies... they are now goop.

2 Geth melee infiltrators
1 Geth Engineer with shield repairing turret.
1 Salaring engineer with decoy

Would be awesome

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

*Cough* A+ Geth Infiltrator Melee Build *Cough*

Although I have yet to try it on Reapers... It seemed to be wrecking Cerberus & Geth. (Until we all died and only the Glass Cannons were left. )

They definitely need support classes to distract enemies and to revive when needed, but jeez, try using a Decoy + Melee! Say goodbye to those 6 enemies... they are now goop.

I'd say it's definitely an A.  It's a blast to play with 345% melee damage bonus applied to an area off of cloak when you know where all the enemies are.

Anyways, I think I sorely underestimated the Batarian Soldier in my first impression.  I've been really bloody successful with him since I tried some respecs and took other options.  Important bits:  Exploding Blades + Ignore the useless blade armor.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[GodlessPaladin]

So does anyone actually have any suggestions for what to do with the Drell Vanguard? And I don't mean "what rank you think it is." I mean "What is the best strategy to use for one on gold"?

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[eldrjth]

whats the build you have in mind to top place the GI? sniper or shotgun? or melee (I still dont think its that viable since you can get shot down far too easily with hunter mode on esp against cerb)

[GodlessPaladin]

eldrjth wrote...

whats the build you have in mind to top place the GI? sniper or shotgun? or melee (I still dont think its that viable since you can get shot down far too easily with hunter mode on esp against cerb)

Shotgun/Melee, and it's far more than just viable.  This thing is an unstoppable MONSTER.

I have been utterly annihilating things on Gold with a +345% melee damage build sporting a Claymore and maxxed Proximity Mines.  Fires a claymore, prox mine, and melee when going out of cloak, and kills groups of phantoms in under a second.  Kills Atlasses in about two cloak cycles, which is insane.  You can even safely run up to turrets and instakill them with a melee attack.  This thing is just DEADLY.

I should also note that I disagree with the idea that Cerberus downs them easily if you're using them properly.   While it's true that a mistake will put you on the ground in a blink, they don't go down often if you're smart enough to take advantage of Hunter Mode and Cloak, especially on smaller, closed maps like Glacier where you're not going to get sniped by an assault trooper across the map.  I haven't had a chance to try them with a truly organized and competent team, but I suspect they would die even less in such a setup.  Anyways, think of them a bit like Human Vanguards.  Some skill is needed to mitigate the risk... but the prize is definitely there.

You're basically the human shotgun infiltrator on steroids with limited omniscience.  While you lose Cryoblast, you gain Proximity Mine (which plays a similar role), Geth Heavy Melee (Which makes the claymore both more forgiving if you miss and allows you multiple tools for different situations... or just using both at the same time!), and the ability to find and get to targets much faster.  The extra situational awareness gained by Hunter Mode is priceless.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I haven't had a chance to try them with a truly organized and competent team, but I suspect they would die even less in such a setup.  Anyways, think of them a bit like Human Vanguards.  Some skill is needed to mitigate the risk... but the prize is definitely there.

Yeah, I have confirmed that they suck with Melee Builds versus Reapers.

All the Reaper units have fast firing, high damage guns that ignore the "Final Bar" invincibility you have.

Meaning, when running around meleeing stuff with 20% health left, 2 shots will kill you from a Marauder/Cannibal.

1 Swarmer can take 3-4 bars off your health on Gold, meleeing Ravagers is out of the question.

Banshee Screams/Warp? FORGET ABOUT IT!   You.... Will...... Die..... Even with full shields and health 1 Banshee Scream will basically kill you if Hunter Mode is on.


Side Note: If you manually pump the melee button to get the heavy melee faster, you can get 2 melee's and a Claymore shot while in the cloak bonus for MEGA damage. Easily kills pyro's in less than 3 seconds.


(Kokatsu and I didn't count as organized and competent? ... We were wrecking the crap out of everything! Out of rockets =/=  we aren't competent.... <_<  We had about a 75% win rate that day after what, 25 matches? (Rockets have been remedied, I FINALLY got 10 rockets after 40 premium packs.)

Modifié par Drummernate, 15 avril 2012 - 03:44 .

[IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

Weapon tier list should be made

[Scottus4]

I can't take a tier list seriously that puts human vanguard above krogan vanguard. I don't even know if I'm playing the same game as you.

[samb]

Drummernate wrote...
(Kokatsu and I didn't count as organized and competent? ... We were wrecking the crap out of everything! Out of rockets =/=  we aren't competent.... <_<  We had about a 75% win rate that day after what, 25 matches? (Rockets have been remedied, I FINALLY got 10 rockets after 40 premium packs.)

GP is certeinly a compotent player, I have seen first hand him solo'ing gold to save 8 (did have to res him once in wave 1) and played support to his novagaurd. But he is kind of a "stop having fun guys" person. He honestly expects you to be as good as him, which while kind of inspiring, is also kind of overwhelming.  
So don't take it personally, GP feels this way about everyone.

[samb]

Scottus4 wrote...

I can't take a tier list seriously that puts human vanguard above krogan vanguard. I don't even know if I'm playing the same game as you.

Not sure if I can take you seriously when you can't realize that human Vanguards are top of the line. 
Especially after so many people posted vangaurds tearing gold levels a new one.  

[Drummernate]

samb wrote...

GP is certeinly a compotent player, I have seen first hand him solo'ing gold to save 8 (did have to res him once in wave 1) and played support to his novagaurd. But he is kind of a "stop having fun guys" person. He honestly expects you to be as good as him, which while kind of inspiring, is also kind of overwhelming.  
So don't take it personally, GP feels this way about everyone.

Honestly we were reviving each other equally when we played... Yes he outscored me a few times but only by like 5-10k and I beat him a few times, but who cares? It is a game! When you play with friends you are all equals IMO... (But those rando's.... they need to get on my level! )

Sure we could have been more "serious", but I play better when I am having fun then when I am droning along with the same ole' same ole'.

Without that goofing off we would not have discovered the amazing Infilmelee tactics that are being used today.

Modifié par Drummernate, 15 avril 2012 - 04:29 .