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[MyChemicalBromance]

aryon69 wrote...

12 light years per day? That can not be right cause at that kind of speed you wouldn't need mass relays.

[lillitheris]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Sorry, but we need to be talking "home in months" instead of decades for this to approach happy.

Yes.

While comforting at least to know that both codex/lore and word of god indicates that faster-than-light travel between all the systems and homeworlds is "possible" in the loosest sense and that the Victory Fleet will be able to make it home "eventually".

It's doesn't make this ending any much brighter. Now rather than certain starvation, we have merely vague threats of starvation. And rather than no-one making it home, we have a 3-4 year long voyage home.

I disagree, to a point. Firstly, I don't really subscribe to the using reaper tech bit. Either the relays are unbroken, repairable, or then everyone's relying on their own tech (initially anyway).

Still, I think scenarios where people can get home in 10-20 years are ‘happy’ (or bittersweet, if you will) in the sense that it's within their lifetime. I am, of course, comparing it with the earlier “nobody will ever get home!” or “it'll take 1000 years to go across the galaxy!”. Those are entirely different propositions.

Gameplay-wise, sure, if we think from a perspective of a hypothetical Mass Effect 4, there would probably need to be a gap of 10 years or so to allow the galactic community to recover to a point where it would make any sense to start playing. Against the yahg, obviously


Edit: and the Milky Way is something like 110 000 LY at its widest. The math I did earlier used that, the average cruise speed of 15 LY/d, and with the various delays (food, fuel, navigation, indirect routing), the entire trip of about 150 000 LY from one end to the other would take on the order of 40-50 years.

Modifié par lillitheris, 08 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[MyChemicalBromance]

Bantz wrote...

regardless this is the problem. This kind of stuff (ok maybe not the math but the answers to what happens) SHOULD have been explained by the ending. The is the finale of a trilogy we shouldn't have to go to twitter and stuff to figure out how things play out in the ending.

No argument here. They had so much oppurtunity to make vastly different endings depending on who survived, but instead we get left with a cutscene that can be confused with everyone in the known galaxy dying. Hopefully the extended cut will rectify this.

[MyChemicalBromance]

CapnManx wrote...

In real life, the Horsehead Nebula is approximately 1500 ly from Earth, and the Hourglass Nebula is approximately 8000 ly from Earth.

On the ME galaxy maps, this is represented more or less to scale; if the Horsehead Nebula is around 1500 ly from Earth, then the Hourglass Nebula is indeed approximately 8000 ly distant.

That same scale says that the Milky Way in ME is only about 13000 ly across.

So either the Milky Way in the ME universe is a dwarf galaxy only about 1/10th the size of the real one; or the map is completely wrong, and we don't know where anything is anyway.

Can't quite decide if this is cause for optimism or pessimism.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 13,000[ly] from. The Earth is 27,000[ly] from the galactic core, so there's no way you can be seeing the entire galaxy as less than half that distance. 27,000[ly] is our radius, and you're saying 13,000[ly] looks like the entire diameter. 130,000[ly] would be closer.

[Wulfram]

I think if you asked the Quarians before the start of the war, they would count being able to get home in 20 years as "happy".

[CapnManx]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

CapnManx wrote...

In real life, the Horsehead Nebula is approximately 1500 ly from Earth, and the Hourglass Nebula is approximately 8000 ly from Earth.

On the ME galaxy maps, this is represented more or less to scale; if the Horsehead Nebula is around 1500 ly from Earth, then the Hourglass Nebula is indeed approximately 8000 ly distant.

That same scale says that the Milky Way in ME is only about 13000 ly across.

So either the Milky Way in the ME universe is a dwarf galaxy only about 1/10th the size of the real one; or the map is completely wrong, and we don't know where anything is anyway.

Can't quite decide if this is cause for optimism or pessimism.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 13,000[ly] from. The Earth is 27,000[ly] from the galactic core, so there's no way you can be seeing the entire galaxy as less than half that distance. 27,000[ly] is our radius, and you're saying 13,000[ly] looks like the entire diameter. 130,000[ly] would be closer.

I got it with a ruler. 

I measured the distance from the Local Cluster to the Horsehead Nebula to get my scale; then measured the distance from the Local Cluster to the Hourglass Nebula to confirm it. 

Then I measured the galaxy from one edge to the other and used that scale to determine the diameter.

If the relative positions of those three locations on the map is even close to accurate, then the Mass Effect version of the Milky Way is somewhere around 13000 ly across.

[The Night Mammoth]

Wulfram wrote...

I think if you asked the Quarians before the start of the war, they would count being able to get home in 20 years as "happy".

BEFORE being the operative word. The situation is slightly different now. 

[MyChemicalBromance]

CapnManx wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

CapnManx wrote...

In real life, the Horsehead Nebula is approximately 1500 ly from Earth, and the Hourglass Nebula is approximately 8000 ly from Earth.

On the ME galaxy maps, this is represented more or less to scale; if the Horsehead Nebula is around 1500 ly from Earth, then the Hourglass Nebula is indeed approximately 8000 ly distant.

That same scale says that the Milky Way in ME is only about 13000 ly across.

So either the Milky Way in the ME universe is a dwarf galaxy only about 1/10th the size of the real one; or the map is completely wrong, and we don't know where anything is anyway.

Can't quite decide if this is cause for optimism or pessimism.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 13,000[ly] from. The Earth is 27,000[ly] from the galactic core, so there's no way you can be seeing the entire galaxy as less than half that distance. 27,000[ly] is our radius, and you're saying 13,000[ly] looks like the entire diameter. 130,000[ly] would be closer.

I got it with a ruler. 

I measured the distance from the Local Cluster to the Horsehead Nebula to get my scale; then measured the distance from the Local Cluster to the Hourglass Nebula to confirm it. 

Then I measured the galaxy from one edge to the other and used that scale to determine the diameter.

If the relative positions of those three locations on the map is even close to accurate, then the Mass Effect version of the Milky Way is somewhere around 13000 ly across.

The Galaxy may extend beyond where that picture stops. Measure the distance from Earth to the core. If it's around 27,000[ly], then we know the scale of the "inner" galaxy is correct.

[Harorrd]

But thats 23 years of non stop FTL to get from A to B I dont think a engine would work at maximum capacity for 23 years straight without resting for a second.

[CapnManx]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...


The Galaxy may extend beyond where that picture stops. Measure the distance from Earth to the core. If it's around 27,000[ly], then we know the scale of the "inner" galaxy is correct.

On the scale provided by the Horsehead Nebula, the Local Cluster appears to be around 3500 ly from the centre of the galaxy.

[Ieldra]

Thanks for the Codex entry about the Reapers' star travel capabilities. I'll incorporate that into the scenario I posted here

[The Night Mammoth]

Harorrd wrote...

But thats 23 years of non stop FTL to get from A to B I dont think a engine would work at maximum capacity for 23 years straight without resting for a second.

I've seen a lot of numbers being paraded around, the most common being 27. 

That's from one side of the galaxy to the other in a straight line non-stop, so it wont apply to most other locations you might have to reach. 


Reaching Thessia in a straight line will take maybe 6 or 7 years, for example, but again, that's in a straight line without stopping. It's likely then, that travel is going to take decades no matter what, and that's after you try to work around the problems of preparing a huge number of ships for the journey when there are very few resources left, with what little remains being heavily contested, and with no feasible way of obtaining more, and after working out how to actually navigate there as well. 

[BadlyBrowned]

Billabong2011 wrote...

So it's basically the Odyssey in space?

That's what they were planning the first DLC to be. :P:wizard:

Modifié par BadlyBrowned, 08 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Zix13]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

So it's basically the Odyssey in space?

That's what they were planning the first DLC to be. :P:wizard:

Gameplay hours: over 9000

[LotharArmoran]

This has already been posted using estimates against the in-game galaxy map :

[quote]a.m.p wrote...

There has been a lot of debate on what the
distances between the homeworlds are and how long it would take to get
there, now that the relays are down (provided they did not go
supernova).

The in-game map isn't exaclty made for distance
measuring, and I haven't been able to find anything that looks like an
accurate galaxy map, so I decided to make one. It's here.

And here is the spreadsheet with the coordinates I used. The data was extracted by staring intently at the screen.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Here are speculations
--------------------------------------------------------------

According
to this data the distances and FTL travel times at 12 ly/day without
any stops and in a straight line between homeworlds are as follows:

                               Distance from Sol (ly)        FTL travel time (years)
Sur'Kesh                          9504                                    2,2
Tuchanka                       16359                                   3,7
Palaven                           17468                                  4
Thessia                           28167                                  6,4
Rannoch                         64433                                  14,7

[LotharArmoran]

Zix13 wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

So it's basically the Odyssey in space?

That's what they were planning the first DLC to be. :P:wizard:

Gameplay hours: over 9000

And every hour or so " You have been waylaid by enemies and must defend yourself"

[CapnManx]

LotharArmoran wrote...

This has already been posted using estimates against the in-game galaxy map :

a.m.p wrote...

There has been a lot of debate on what the
distances between the homeworlds are and how long it would take to get
there, now that the relays are down (provided they did not go
supernova).

The in-game map isn't exaclty made for distance
measuring, and I haven't been able to find anything that looks like an
accurate galaxy map, so I decided to make one. It's here.

And here is the spreadsheet with the coordinates I used. The data was extracted by staring intently at the screen.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Here are speculations
--------------------------------------------------------------

According
to this data the distances and FTL travel times at 12 ly/day without
any stops and in a straight line between homeworlds are as follows:

                               Distance from Sol (ly)        FTL travel time (years)
Sur'Kesh                          9504                                    2,2
Tuchanka                       16359                                   3,7
Palaven                           17468                                  4
Thessia                           28167                                  6,4
Rannoch                         64433                                  14,7

Yeah, but it looks like that was made assuming the Milky Way in Mass
Effect is the correct size.  I, on the other hand, am assuming that
select points in the galaxy are shown a their correct distance from
Earth. 

The results turn out differently depending on which piece of conflicting data we take to be accurate.

Modifié par CapnManx, 08 avril 2012 - 11:50 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I have a problem with the whole reaper thing here. It's resources. Vigil said the reapers harvest and strip the worlds bare of resources. We saw this on Feros. There was nothing there. Ruins, but life was really hard for the colony. Every world the reapers harvested was left barren.

Garden worlds are not plentiful. Even our most optimistic calculations show there aren't that many of them. And in our explorations of the galaxy there aren't that many of them. So are the ones we do see, are they basically recycled from very old harvests? Colony life is hard as well as we've seen, too, so I would guess not many resources left on them either.

Given the number of cycles the reapers have consumed a lot of them. Civilizations have consumed a lot of them. Earth after the battle is pretty much a brick. Maybe there's a lot of salvage. That's the resource. A lot of reaper salvage. I think that's where the major effort is going to be. There's going to be all that eezo.

Maybe they'll be trying to figure out how to reactivate the mass relay and send a ship through to another system. This is going to take a while, but eventually they could get the system activated again, IF the relays were deactivated instead of destroyed. If they were destroyed, the galaxy is fubared, unless new interstellar jump drives are developed.

Limitations ---> advancement. people need to get home. Humans need to get off their dying planet. There may still be some secrets in the Citadel itself. If it didn't fall to earth and is still somewhat functional, people may actually have to learn how to make it function instead of the keepers. Hmmm... a job for the Salarians & Quarians since they're so quick with tech, and given the fact that many won't live long enough to see their home anyway. Reactivate the relays?

Please BW do not continue ME as prequels. That would really suck. Let's go out about 500 yrs. into the future.

[Zix13]

LotharArmoran wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

So it's basically the Odyssey in space?

That's what they were planning the first DLC to be. :P:wizard:

Gameplay hours: over 9000

And every hour or so " You have been waylaid by enemies and must defend yourself"

Shieetttt. Just take Grunt and Wrex with me and let them deal with it. Might be a problem when we get stranded on a suspious planet with lots of azure though.....

Modifié par Zix13, 09 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But Rannoch isn't "as the crow flies". The distance is going to be more circular wanting to avoid the high density areas of large B type stars nearer the center and stay in the areas of the M class stars. So the distance is going to be more like 100,000 to 120,000 ly.

[MyChemicalBromance]

[quote]LotharArmoran wrote...

This has already been posted using estimates against the in-game galaxy map :

[quote]a.m.p wrote...

There has been a lot of debate on what the
distances between the homeworlds are and how long it would take to get
there, now that the relays are down (provided they did not go
supernova).

The in-game map isn't exaclty made for distance
measuring, and I haven't been able to find anything that looks like an
accurate galaxy map, so I decided to make one. It's here.

And here is the spreadsheet with the coordinates I used. The data was extracted by staring intently at the screen.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Here are speculations
--------------------------------------------------------------

According
to this data the distances and FTL travel times at 12 ly/day without
any stops and in a straight line between homeworlds are as follows:

                               Distance from Sol (ly)        FTL travel time (years)
Sur'Kesh                          9504                                    2,2
Tuchanka                       16359                                   3,7
Palaven                           17468                                  4
Thessia                           28167                                  6,4
Rannoch                         64433                                  14,7
[/quote]
I never saw that before, thanks.

At least we got the same numbers more or less.

[Thornquist]

Stop using logic & math to quell the unjustified rage.

We prefer being angry, cant you see?

[MyChemicalBromance]

Thornquist wrote...

Stop using logic & math to quell the unjustified rage.

We prefer being angry, cant you see?

WHY DOES SACRIFICE HURT?

[ShadowOptik]

wintermaul55 wrote...

rebo_tfc wrote...

Yeah cos those military ships have enough food for 23 years ....

u better believe it... they also have giant pink bunnies and coward pilots who leave the greatest fight to decide the fate of there time to go running away with there commanders girl on a random planet

You will be sorry for what you say about Seth Gre, I mean Joker after you see the DLC. Everyone needs to have more faith. This ending rift is starting to get on my nerves. READ more forums then you post in then you will understand how there are possibilities everyone has not seen yet because they mask their intelligence with anger. It is a fact that Anger keeps a human from actually thinking. Everyone is speculating too much. I think we all need to calm down.

[Skirlasvoud]

Well, I'm relieved. Thanks for running the math.


It's not so much choosing to ignore these facts that's driving people, as it is not knowing for sure unless peeps like you tell them.

I just want answers dammit... and you gave them. Rage... subsiding somewhat.

Now all we need is mr. Weekes giving us difinitive closure. I like the cut of his cheek.