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[balance5050]

Noatz wrote...

"Yeah sure Tali I can come to your house warming party, see you in 12 years."

Fail.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...
As for "dust form" eezo, I'd guess that is less pure eezo that needs to be refined rather than eezo that has broken down. The stuff sits idle for millions or billions of years before we extract it.

Eezo is dark matter/energy. It exists in all space, but only becomes concentrated by supernova's.

Element Zero[/b] (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a rare material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field, raising or lowering the mass of all objects within that field.

Eezo is generated when solid matter, such as a planet, is affected by the energy of a star going supernova.

It manipulates dark energy, it is not composed of it, and is generated by the interaction of radiation generated by a supernova with solid matter. There are eezo/mines refineries mentioned in the games I believe, and certainly in the first book.

Unfortunately, that still doesn't prove either your point or mine...

And if there was enough dark energy in the Universe to keep space from ripping itself apart before Eezo was used, then the Reapers should be letting organics use the hell out of Eezo to save the galaxy. The original Dark Energy Ending only makes sense now if the Reapers specifically need Organics to exist. This isn't true, because Nazara offered the Geth a shell to upload into. Sorry, just ramblings.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

brp1410 wrote...

@Orthodox Infidel, Can you tell me what explains FTL = backwards in time? I was under the impression that general reletivity applied to FTL as well. 

I would have to dust off my physics textbook to remember exactly how it works, but I believe it's because the only way you can have FTL and relativity is to give up causality. Relativity itself doesn't require causality, but a lot of other things we see in our day to day lives do, which is why most sci-fi authors who sneak in FTL usually throw out relativity or shackle it with additional exceptions. 

I'm pretty sure you're right (my physics textbook only has 4 months of dust on it!).

[Deuterium_Dawn]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...
As for "dust form" eezo, I'd guess that is less pure eezo that needs to be refined rather than eezo that has broken down. The stuff sits idle for millions or billions of years before we extract it.

Eezo is dark matter/energy. It exists in all space, but only becomes concentrated by supernova's.

Element Zero[/b] (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a rare material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field, raising or lowering the mass of all objects within that field.

Eezo is generated when solid matter, such as a planet, is affected by the energy of a star going supernova.

It manipulates dark energy, it is not composed of it, and is generated by the interaction of radiation generated by a supernova with solid matter. There are eezo/mines refineries mentioned in the games I believe, and certainly in the first book.

Unfortunately, that still doesn't prove either your point or mine...

And if there was enough dark energy in the Universe to keep space from ripping itself apart before Eezo was used, then the Reapers should be letting organics use the hell out of Eezo to save the galaxy. The original Dark Energy Ending only makes sense now if the Reapers specifically need Organics to exist. This isn't true, because Nazara offered the Geth a shell to upload into. Sorry, just ramblings.

Wait, wasn't that whole plot that Dark Energy was the thing ripping the universe apart and the use of Eezo/mass effect technology manipulating/generating Dark Energy was accellerating it?

[cardinalally]

 So now the writers seem to be grasping at straws to explain the plot holes and issues.  I mean I figured they didn't want to send the galaxy into a dark age, but the reasons given are pretty thin considering how much debate is going on.  Who knows maybe it can be fleshed out and make sense but right now it just seems they don't know how to explain away the problems.  I shouldn't laugh, I really shouldn't:blush:
 
LOL:lol:

[MyChemicalBromance]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...
As for "dust form" eezo, I'd guess that is less pure eezo that needs to be refined rather than eezo that has broken down. The stuff sits idle for millions or billions of years before we extract it.

Eezo is dark matter/energy. It exists in all space, but only becomes concentrated by supernova's.

Element Zero[/b] (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a rare material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field, raising or lowering the mass of all objects within that field.

Eezo is generated when solid matter, such as a planet, is affected by the energy of a star going supernova.

It manipulates dark energy, it is not composed of it, and is generated by the interaction of radiation generated by a supernova with solid matter. There are eezo/mines refineries mentioned in the games I believe, and certainly in the first book.

Unfortunately, that still doesn't prove either your point or mine...

And if there was enough dark energy in the Universe to keep space from ripping itself apart before Eezo was used, then the Reapers should be letting organics use the hell out of Eezo to save the galaxy. The original Dark Energy Ending only makes sense now if the Reapers specifically need Organics to exist. This isn't true, because Nazara offered the Geth a shell to upload into. Sorry, just ramblings.

Wait, wasn't that whole plot that Dark Energy was the thing ripping the universe apart and the use of Eezo/mass effect technology manipulating/generating Dark Energy was accellerating it?

Yes you're right, I had it mixed up with Dark Matter. Eezo not releasing Dark Energy until it is manipulated does support the Dark Energy ending.

[Kanon777]

TurambarEA wrote...

 "Even a dead god can dream" - good luck using that Reaper tech to do anything except have your crew walk themselves over to a bunch of husk spikes and jump on them, chest first.

You can't use Reaper tech and get away with it without losing your mind- this is stressed on many, many occasions throughout the series and even applies when the Reaper is dead (see dead Reaper/Legion recruitment mission in ME2).

But oh wait, space magic, pretty lights, clearly it doesn't apply this time, just like the relays exploding aren't actually EXPLODING this time ... so it's all good.

Actually the dead reapers in ME2 was dead because of a fight, the destroy beam could deactivate the internal indocrination process..

Im not saying that it IS what will happen but if the writters want an excuse to avoid indocrination by the dead reapers, they already have a good explanation that can be consistent.

[Rartemass]

rebo_tfc wrote...

Yeah cos those military ships have enough food for 23 years ....

Quarrian lifeships.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Vormaerin wrote...

And don't give me any BS about the Dextro vs Levo stuff. RIght now, today, we can synthesize foods with the alternate proteins. They are sold in stores even, as a kind of messed up dieting technique.

STOP.

There's a huge difference between dextro vs. levo sugars which is the crazy (and very stupid) diet fad, and dextro vs. levo proteins. On our planet, sugars are mostly dextro, while the amino acids are almost all levo. Synthesizing levo sugars would be a piece of cake, because most sugars are pretty easy to synthesize. Proteins are huge, complicated molecules that require many amino acids to make, and all the ones we know of in living things on this planet are levo.

You might be able to synthesize them in the future, but you're not going to be able to do enough of it to feed a population. I mean, if we could synthesize protiens enough for people to eat, we'd see meat grown in vats (which is something people are working on, but aren't quite there yet).

[MyChemicalBromance]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

And don't give me any BS about the Dextro vs Levo stuff. RIght now, today, we can synthesize foods with the alternate proteins. They are sold in stores even, as a kind of messed up dieting technique.

STOP.

There's a huge difference between dextro vs. levo sugars which is the crazy (and very stupid) diet fad, and dextro vs. levo proteins. On our planet, sugars are mostly dextro, while the amino acids are almost all levo. Synthesizing levo sugars would be a piece of cake, because most sugars are pretty easy to synthesize. Proteins are huge, complicated molecules that require many amino acids to make, and all the ones we know of in living things on this planet are levo.

You might be able to synthesize them in the future, but you're not going to be able to do enough of it to feed a population. I mean, if we could synthesize protiens enough for people to eat, we'd see meat grown in vats (which is something people are working on, but aren't quite there yet).

In the Mass Effect universe, they have achieved "in-vitro" meat.

[Rartemass]

I don't think the star systems were destroyed when the Mass Relays exploded.
When the catalyst signal to destroy went out, there was a large build up of energy from a Mass Relay that sent the shock wave signal to the next Mass Relay. The star system destructive power
could have been used to forward the signal to the next relay. Thus when it exploded, it didn't have the full power of the one in Arrival that did destroy the star system. Where do you think the energy came from to continue the signal? This is what the Mass Relays were built to do, so when one in Arrival DLC exploded prematurely, the energy had nowhere to go. Thus the system was destroyed.

[Nivenus]

It's pretty clear that synthesized food isn't the standard in the Mass Effect universe and given how real-life economics we can therefore assume it's not all that cheap or easy to produce. So while synthesizing dextro protein food is probably possible, given the level of technological sophistication generally, it's likely there'd still be a pretty drastic food shortage, at least for the turians (I don't recall whether the liveships were left behind at Rannoch or not for the quarians).

[Mr Deathbot]

3 months with reaper tech :I

EDIT: NVM that would mean theres 10 months in a year but theres 12 so it'd be 4 months only 1 month longer

Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 08 avril 2012 - 05:12 .

[MyChemicalBromance]

Rartemass wrote...

I don't think the star systems were destroyed when the Mass Relays exploded.
When the catalyst signal to destroy went out, there was a large build up of energy from a Mass Relay that sent the shock wave signal to the next Mass Relay. The star system destructive power
could have been used to forward the signal to the next relay. Thus when it exploded, it didn't have the full power of the one in Arrival that did destroy the star system. Where do you think the energy came from to continue the signal? This is what the Mass Relays were built to do, so when one in Arrival DLC exploded prematurely, the energy had nowhere to go. Thus the system was destroyed.

And the last bit of energy will hit the Omega Relay (which wasn't linked), dumping the remaining energy into the SMBH at the center of the galaxy, sparing virtually everyone.

[Orthodox Infidel]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

And don't give me any BS about the Dextro vs Levo stuff. RIght now, today, we can synthesize foods with the alternate proteins. They are sold in stores even, as a kind of messed up dieting technique.

STOP.

There's a huge difference between dextro vs. levo sugars which is the crazy (and very stupid) diet fad, and dextro vs. levo proteins. On our planet, sugars are mostly dextro, while the amino acids are almost all levo. Synthesizing levo sugars would be a piece of cake, because most sugars are pretty easy to synthesize. Proteins are huge, complicated molecules that require many amino acids to make, and all the ones we know of in living things on this planet are levo.

You might be able to synthesize them in the future, but you're not going to be able to do enough of it to feed a population. I mean, if we could synthesize protiens enough for people to eat, we'd see meat grown in vats (which is something people are working on, but aren't quite there yet).

In the Mass Effect universe, they have achieved "in-vitro" meat.

Oh really? Cool. Wait... why does Tali always have to eat paste? (Not being sarcastic, now I'm genuinely confused!)

[Osiris273]

Remember guys, that 12 light years in 24 hours cruising speed is from public transportation, which is equivalent to a real life bus.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Nivenus wrote...

It's pretty clear that synthesized food isn't the standard in the Mass Effect universe and given how real-life economics we can therefore assume it's not all that cheap or easy to produce. So while synthesizing dextro protein food is probably possible, given the level of technological sophistication generally, it's likely there'd still be a pretty drastic food shortage, at least for the turians (I don't recall whether the liveships were left behind at Rannoch or not for the quarians).

I'm not sure how it's "pretty clear" that synthesized food isn't the standard. Joker says he wants a real honest to god dead cow, not vat grown. That would seem to imply otherwise.

And there was that twitter post that said no one would starve. Cheap I know, but I'll throw it out there.

[greggm2000]

Vormaerin wrote...

Given that the fleets took heavy casualties and Earth lost lots of its population, there's no reason to believe that the Earth couldn't support the survivors. And don't give me any BS about the Dextro vs Levo stuff. RIght now, today, we can synthesize foods with the alternate proteins. They are sold in stores even, as a kind of messed up dieting technique.

There's also the possibility that superior ftl drives could be built, but aren't because the Relays are so much more effective. There's all kinds of technologies in the real world that work, but were never used extensively because you could do the same thing better another way.

The Galaxy was in for a "Dark age" just from all the destruction the reapers caused. The loss of the Relays will make it worse for a while, certainly. Its not the end of galactic civilization.

Just FYI, there are about 80 star systems within a 2 day trip of Earth using the 12 ly/d standard. That's rather a lot of possibilities....


Edit:  The Centauri system is 8 hours away by that standard....

Indeed. Synthesizing food should be no problem, though it would probably taste lousy... still, it beats dying.

Fuel isn't a problem, what with gas giants being extremely common, and there'd lots of stars within 24 ly, wherever they are.

Knowing where the stars are isn't a problem either, there'd be star charts.

So, getting home wouldn't be a problem, even if it would take years.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

And don't give me any BS about the Dextro vs Levo stuff. RIght now, today, we can synthesize foods with the alternate proteins. They are sold in stores even, as a kind of messed up dieting technique.

STOP.

There's a huge difference between dextro vs. levo sugars which is the crazy (and very stupid) diet fad, and dextro vs. levo proteins. On our planet, sugars are mostly dextro, while the amino acids are almost all levo. Synthesizing levo sugars would be a piece of cake, because most sugars are pretty easy to synthesize. Proteins are huge, complicated molecules that require many amino acids to make, and all the ones we know of in living things on this planet are levo.

You might be able to synthesize them in the future, but you're not going to be able to do enough of it to feed a population. I mean, if we could synthesize protiens enough for people to eat, we'd see meat grown in vats (which is something people are working on, but aren't quite there yet).

In the Mass Effect universe, they have achieved "in-vitro" meat.

Oh really? Cool. Wait... why does Tali always have to eat paste? (Not being sarcastic, now I'm genuinely confused!)

That's probably due to the limitations of maintaining the fleet.

Joker implies that  "vat-grown" beef (in Mass Effect 2)  is the norm on human ships.

[Qutayba]

I don't get too worked up about the hypothetical science. But I would have the following question: if the relays had to be destroyed because they were Reaper tech guiding galactic evolution, how does salvaging Reaper tech prevent falling back under their influence. And if using Reaper tech by itself doesn't require life to follow the Reapers' plan, why do we need to destroy the relays?

I guess the destruction of the relays are pretty much set at this point, but the logic that they HAD to be still escapes me. Personally, I was more distressed at the super nova implications of the relays' destruction than their actual destruction, but it now seems clear they did not intend that implication.

[Orthodox Infidel]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Oh really? Cool. Wait... why does Tali always have to eat paste? (Not being sarcastic, now I'm genuinely confused!)

That's probably due to the limitations of maintaining the fleet.

Joker implies that  "vat-grown" beef (in Mass Effect 2)  is the norm on human ships.

Oh yeah. I remember that. That solves a lot of the food problems people keep bringing up.

[Mystiq6]

I would just like to point out that it is widely believed that there is a supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way and supposedly most if not all other galaxies. You would likely want to fly around it when crossing the galaxy.

This is a real fact. It's believed the black hole provides some kind of protection. I don't remember from what but if I had to pull something out of my ass I would say radiation. The black hole in our galaxy is currently tearing apart a glowing cloud of gas that's currently flying several hundred thousand miles per hour into its death. Fun fact: supermassive black holes have a weight around a million to a billion times that of the sun.

[Zix13]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

That's probably due to the limitations of maintaining the fleet.

Joker implies that  "vat-grown" beef (in Mass Effect 2)  is the norm on human ships.

You're going to need a ****load of vats in a weeks time. 

[Orthodox Infidel]

Qutayba wrote...

I don't get too worked up about the hypothetical science. But I would have the following question: if the relays had to be destroyed because they were Reaper tech guiding galactic evolution, how does salvaging Reaper tech prevent falling back under their influence. And if using Reaper tech by itself doesn't require life to follow the Reapers' plan, why do we need to destroy the relays?

I guess the destruction of the relays are pretty much set at this point, but the logic that they HAD to be still escapes me. Personally, I was more distressed at the super nova implications of the relays' destruction than their actual destruction, but it now seems clear they did not intend that implication.

The difference is that the relays are a deliberately engineered scam by the Reapers, whereas taking their stuff from their dead corpses (ignoring indoctrination concerns for a moment) isn't. If we're lab rats, then the relays are like a maze we're supposed to run through. Blowing up the relays is like escaping the maze, and salvaging Reaper tech is like stealing the smartphone off of the scientist who we gnawed to death while escaping.

[thefallen2far]

Everyone's forgetting water. While food can be dehydrated and stored, water [the more important need] is heavier and requires constant consumption. It's heavier than food, can't be reduced in mass for viable consumption and you require an emergency supply in case someone messes up something that contaminates or looses some of your supply.  Under the conditions you're indicating, you'll dehydrate before you starve. No ship faring vessel should have less than 100 ml per day, per person, and that's including sci-fi level filtration for urine. Any Hanar support is just outright going to die.

Not to mention oxygen. Space faring vessels shouldn't last longer than a a few months at a time for fear of lack of oxygen. While it's possible to have CO2 filters, you still need to supply oxygen..... and require any other gasses needed by any evolved species that uses anaerobic respiration.  Also, I don't think the Volus had lanned on needing to wait a few decades to resusitate their biosuits.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 08 avril 2012 - 05:39 .