when I see this...
http://www.neogamr.n...nhanced-edition
...and the outpouring of fan support. heck Beamdog servers shut down with the huge spike in traffic.
When I see this i wonder why Bioware did not think of it?
I wonder why Bioware puts zero effort into revamping some of its beloved franchises from the past
Why did Bioware not think of it?
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Anaeme
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 09:06
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Quick answer is Bioware don't have the rights to BG.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 04:37
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Which makes it very nice of them to keep supporting these forums.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 10:12
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I hope they'll be alright with the influx of traffic the EE will bring here. I've seen the Beamdog forums and they're not suitable for any kind of discussion beyond just general yelling.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 12:05
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I love how people don't seem to realise that Bioware didnt create the dungeons and dragons universe.
Makes me laugh. lol.
Makes me laugh. lol.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:04
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@FitScot: It's not that we don't realize Bioware didn't create D&D. It's more along the lines that most people don't understand licensing law in the United States. Bioware was originally an executive producer of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, (and NOT of Icewind Dale), under distribution contract with Black Isles publishing.
All games have both executive producers and distributors, which are two different legal animals.
In the "old" days, producers created software and distributors mass-produced disks. (Actual factory, machines and laborers, disks.) Nowadays, distribution is rapidly changing from disk-production to online digital, DRM-based distribution. Soon we will see physical disks becoming a thing of the past in favor of distrubution through "the Cloud".
The Bioware corporation long ago sold its production rights to the Baldur's Gate games to third parties. They and their moderators are doing us a (greatly appreciated!) favor by continuing to support our forums for these games based on their past executive producer-ship of the two BG games and their expansions.
They and their moderators have consistently drawn the line at supporting any discussion whatsoever of IWD1 and IWD2, for neither of which they had production nor distribution rights. In other words, by the time IWD1 and IWD2 were produced, Bioware had already sold all rights in both production and distribution of any game based on the Infinity engine (which has rights of its own to be bought or sold.)
Further complicating matters, the rights to D&D itself are now controlled by Wizards of the Coast, yet another legal entity which must be legally signed for any game by any producer or publisher wishing to use the name "D&D". And Atari corporation holds rights to the Infinity engine.
Is your head spinning yet? Want to hire an attorney?
I really don't think that it's a good idea to bash Bioware in any of our much-beloved and much-appreciated forums, because they are under no oblilgation whatsoever to continue the existence of these forums, which are here based on a courtesy to their customers of at least a decade past!
Thank you Bioware, and thank you, moderators, for your generous support of your ancient releases. I think that it speaks well of your business ethos, if not of your power over your own corporate fate, vis a vis your aquisition by EA.
All games have both executive producers and distributors, which are two different legal animals.
In the "old" days, producers created software and distributors mass-produced disks. (Actual factory, machines and laborers, disks.) Nowadays, distribution is rapidly changing from disk-production to online digital, DRM-based distribution. Soon we will see physical disks becoming a thing of the past in favor of distrubution through "the Cloud".
The Bioware corporation long ago sold its production rights to the Baldur's Gate games to third parties. They and their moderators are doing us a (greatly appreciated!) favor by continuing to support our forums for these games based on their past executive producer-ship of the two BG games and their expansions.
They and their moderators have consistently drawn the line at supporting any discussion whatsoever of IWD1 and IWD2, for neither of which they had production nor distribution rights. In other words, by the time IWD1 and IWD2 were produced, Bioware had already sold all rights in both production and distribution of any game based on the Infinity engine (which has rights of its own to be bought or sold.)
Further complicating matters, the rights to D&D itself are now controlled by Wizards of the Coast, yet another legal entity which must be legally signed for any game by any producer or publisher wishing to use the name "D&D". And Atari corporation holds rights to the Infinity engine.
Is your head spinning yet? Want to hire an attorney?
I really don't think that it's a good idea to bash Bioware in any of our much-beloved and much-appreciated forums, because they are under no oblilgation whatsoever to continue the existence of these forums, which are here based on a courtesy to their customers of at least a decade past!
Thank you Bioware, and thank you, moderators, for your generous support of your ancient releases. I think that it speaks well of your business ethos, if not of your power over your own corporate fate, vis a vis your aquisition by EA.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 05:32
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No game producer is obligated to host a forum site whatsoever... However, it is very much in their interests to do so.
Given the free adverts from people being constantly exposed to all the player hyping of their games here and of course Bioware's own design in the site, giving the full schmorgasbord of Bioware games to menu through, how it is not to their advantage? Before I learned to like DAO, I considered it an imposition to have to scroll down the forum lists to get to BG past the DA, ME, and NWN sections, plus be forced to get DAO to put in my own avatar here (though there's obviously a sneaky workaround using the free CC). It truly was participation here that introduced me to DAO, however- an inherent advert that succeeded.
A forum site also enables players to assist other players rather than Bioware (or whatever company- even Beamdog) to even address the issue at all. And it also probably alleviates a great deal of customer service headaches they'd otherwise have to deal with if every player was calling in asking, "But I try to switch weapons, and it looks like I have to go into my inventory when I go from bow to sword and shield..."
So it's not as if it's done out of sheer generosity. But it is nice... and, yeah, alas Beamdog's forum isn't nearly as developed format-wise, far fewer options for posting, though Bioware's format has enough glitches that I sometimes have to edit a lot when I use those options because unintended consequences arise...
As to the OP's "why didn't Bioware do it," it's probably partly due to their game focus as of late. Does DA2 or ME3 look anything like BG- appearance or gameplaywise? But what was said about licensing is also an issue. Trent Oster of Beamdog said it took 2 yrs of working with the various sundry parties involved in the BG production to finally obtain the legal capability to proceed with it...
Given the free adverts from people being constantly exposed to all the player hyping of their games here and of course Bioware's own design in the site, giving the full schmorgasbord of Bioware games to menu through, how it is not to their advantage? Before I learned to like DAO, I considered it an imposition to have to scroll down the forum lists to get to BG past the DA, ME, and NWN sections, plus be forced to get DAO to put in my own avatar here (though there's obviously a sneaky workaround using the free CC). It truly was participation here that introduced me to DAO, however- an inherent advert that succeeded.
A forum site also enables players to assist other players rather than Bioware (or whatever company- even Beamdog) to even address the issue at all. And it also probably alleviates a great deal of customer service headaches they'd otherwise have to deal with if every player was calling in asking, "But I try to switch weapons, and it looks like I have to go into my inventory when I go from bow to sword and shield..."
So it's not as if it's done out of sheer generosity. But it is nice... and, yeah, alas Beamdog's forum isn't nearly as developed format-wise, far fewer options for posting, though Bioware's format has enough glitches that I sometimes have to edit a lot when I use those options because unintended consequences arise...
As to the OP's "why didn't Bioware do it," it's probably partly due to their game focus as of late. Does DA2 or ME3 look anything like BG- appearance or gameplaywise? But what was said about licensing is also an issue. Trent Oster of Beamdog said it took 2 yrs of working with the various sundry parties involved in the BG production to finally obtain the legal capability to proceed with it...
Modifié par Bhryaen, 12 avril 2012 - 05:37 .
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 06:47
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BelgarathMTH wrote...
Bioware was originally an executive producer of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, (and NOT of Icewind Dale), under distribution contract with Black Isles publishing.
that's wrong. since it's creation black isle was always interplay's internal software division and has nothing to do with publishing. that was interplay's own job. black isle supported bioware while in production of bg and interplay published it afterwards.
BelgarathMTH wrote...
The Bioware corporation long ago sold its production rights to the Baldur's Gate games to third parties.
bioware never held production rights to d&d titles. interplay owned those rights and sold them later to atari, but kept the baldur's gate ip - that's why bg3 aka project jefferson was in production. wizards split those rights later between hasbro and atari and nowadays hasbro owns all production rights. atari is only able to re-release their old titles. bioware was always just a contractor to develope for interplay. dunno if they bought the bg ip because it is listed on their page but i doubt this. because atari releases another baldur's gate title it seems right that they're owning the ip.
BelgarathMTH wrote...
They and their moderators are doing us a (greatly appreciated!) favor by continuing to support our forums for these games
this is marketing. they would be really dumb if they would miss on a big fanbase. so they keep you here in the cage to bomb you with their commercials to sell some of their new games.
BelgarathMTH wrote...
Further complicating matters, the rights to D&D itself are now controlled by Wizards of the Coast, yet another legal entity which must be legally signed for any game by any producer or publisher wishing to use the name "D&D". And Atari corporation holds rights to the Infinity engine.
back in the days d&d was developed by tsr which were bought by wizards. wizards was always in control of d&d. btw was the infinity engine programmed by bioware and they're holding to complete rights for it. atari has nothing to do with it.
BelgarathMTH wrote...
Thank you Bioware, and thank you, moderators, for your generous support of your ancient releases. I think that it speaks well of your business ethos
your understanding of the world is a bit whack and if you want to see bioware as the white knight then please ask them what they did with the old legacy forums where all the nwn/nwn2 knowledge was kept. they promised to bring it back months ago but nothing happened! they simply dropped their migration plans because it costs money, same with running 2 forums in parallel. holy ****, they're really generous
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 10:07
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@Semper, well, I will trust your air of authority here, and thank you kindly for correcting my misunderstanding of the legal web of corporations in play here (Bioware, Black Isle, Interplay (forgot that one), Wizards of the Coast, TSR, Atari, Hasbro (my childhood LightBrite producer?) ....) Geez, I think a person has to be a legal "wizard" to understand all these corporate connections correctly! Are you a lawyer by any chance, or just very intelligent and good at remembering info you've read and being able to draw the right conclusions?
Notwithstanding, despite my intellect being less than I would desire, my original sentiment remains that Bioware is doing a good thing by supporting our BG forums, that we should be grateful for, regardless of whether Bioware is acting out of generosity or only enlightened self-interest.
I love how I meet so many awesome, intelligent people here. Would that I could meet this quality of people IRL. <grin>
Notwithstanding, despite my intellect being less than I would desire, my original sentiment remains that Bioware is doing a good thing by supporting our BG forums, that we should be grateful for, regardless of whether Bioware is acting out of generosity or only enlightened self-interest.
I love how I meet so many awesome, intelligent people here. Would that I could meet this quality of people IRL. <grin>
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 11:39
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Frankly me, and countless other RPG lovers, breathed a sigh of relief over the news that Bioware wouldn't be able to lay a finger on BG:EE. The way Bioware is now, they'd have taken something beautiful and violated it horrendously.
