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[omikron199]

Ok obviously the vast majority of you will say "black widow" or "widow" But lets put them aside.
They are good if you have BIG enemies incoming or few small slow or some static enemies.

So Lets talk about other sniper rifles. I have my favorite - INDRA
A sniper rifle with 25 bullets in it's clip - pretty accurate, very fast and light.
Next one is Raptor - Pretty the same Indra but semi-auto. I used it alot during my first playthrough but when I picked Indra up...

the 3rd Place is given to the Valiant - imo the best semi auto rofle with more than 1 bullet in the clip - balanced perfectly. Nearly no kickback, fast reloading, very accurate, nice looking.

What are yours?

[Merengues 1945]

I still prefer the widow X... even in highest difficulty you can blast a guardian in one shot, obliterate big enemies in a few shots and due to the great stocks of thermal clips it's far more reliable than the widow from ME2.

I don't like raptor, it simply don't have the punch I need, I prefer to use the Widow alongside with the Locust.

Altough I really hate the geth sniper rifle (I don't remember the name) it's quite powerful, but it's just to hard to learn how to use it properly.

[Praetor Knight]

I was using the Raptor as a scoped Mattock that's in my SR slot, with the Sentinel class, so that's an option. I paired it with the Revvy most of the time.

I'm gonna eventually try the Incisor to see how that goes for Shepard in ME3, and I guess overall, you need to match up a proper synergy with the different damage boost types from class passive and armor plus powers used, to how you target enemies, such as either focusing on headshots or to simply hit the targets.

And then difficulty can change 1S1K principles for protected enemies too.

[capn233]

Hmmm.

Black Widow is the best. In every situation. Out of the standard rifles it is far and away the superior choice. I can understand someone making a case for the N7 Valiant, but not exactly for some of the others mentioned in this thread. If you learn how to use the Black Widow you will be able to quickly kill anything in the game.

If I am ignoring Widow variants then the next best is the Mantis spec'd into Baby Widow configuration with Extended Barrel and SR Piercing. Since it is single shot, you will not dispatch targets as rapidly as with the Black Widow. But it is very light to offset this disadvantage. In fact, it could be argued that the Mantis is more useful than the Widow or Javelin due to its power-weight.

Other than that the Viper is actually good if you can get used to the change in ROF compared to ME2. Depending on mods, ammo, class you can probably one-shot basics. With extended barrel and SR Piercing it is actually pretty decent against armored targets like Brutes. The rapid reload is sort of nice too.

The Indra is not up there, IMO. It is an ok weapon, but the problem is that it does relatively low damage. It does have ultra-low recoil going for it, and so it isn't completely useless. If you think of it as an AR that accidentally got placed in the SR category it starts to make more sense. I prefer this to the Incisor, although that isn't saying much because I really don't like the Incisor.

Raptor likewise is a battle rifle hiding out in the sniper rifle category. If I had the one-shot shield busting variant that the Nemesis troops get maybe I would like it more. I do not like it as much as the Viper all things considered, given the drastic difference in damage per shot. I use it every now and then though. I don't think it is a bad choice for a rifle on a caster class, but that is because it is a compromise weapon, not because it is the best sniper rifle.

[bloodshed17]

Javelin. Even with its little delay with infiltrator and slow down its not a problem. It looks and sounds cool and does a lot of damage. Plus it comes pre equiped with a special scope that allows you to see through smoke and walls. It also comes preequiped with piercing mod to allow you to shoot through objects.

[Amila]

For my Insanity-Soldier i used a Black Widow all the time. I specced him to do maximum weapon damage and put all upgrades into weapondamage aswell. I used the Armorset that gave me the max Weapondamage aswell(not Headshot damage, pure weapondamage) As mods i used the Timeslow- thing and the Barrel.

With that setup the Black Widow was able to oneshot all unshielded enemies and for all others you only need 2 shots(marauder for example). It is also very easy to get Headshots with the Soldier thanks to the Timeslow when zoomed in or when using Adrenaline Rush.

For me the Widow and Javelin were pointless. Only one shot, slow reload. You cant oneshot anything with shields with them thanks to the Shieldgate. Sure they do a lot of damage but that only helps against the very few big enemies and there are only a dozen in the whole game anyways. The Valiant was nice but it has no passive Armor Piercing so i took the Black Widow instead and Insanity was very easy with it.

[JaegerBane]

In my abandoned playthrough I would have said the N7 Valiant, as the minimum recoil and good ammo supply made it a good alternative to the black widow. Fitted with a concentration mod and an extended barrel it easily one-shotted mooks and its rapid reloading means it can manage a great DPS.

I'm honestly not sure which SR I'd go for out of the Valiant  and Black Widow, even in my current playthrough where I've modded out the weight mechanic. I guess it would be the Valiant, as while I can increase damage with mods, I can't decrease recoil.

[termokanden]

I think the best is the Valiant. My favorite, however, is the Black Widow. Feels better.

Reasons? The Valiant is extremely easy to use with no nasty recoil, 3 shots per clip and lightning fast reloads. Yet it still does good damage.

The Black Widow is (for me) mostly about the fun factor. But it's certainly also a good weapon.

Modifié par termokanden, 08 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Leon Zweihander]

Black Widow is simply the most efficient sniper rifle, it can kill low/mid grunts with a shot to the body; and 3 clips means mid/high targets are taken down fairly fast. Add to this its decent ammo and you can just carry BW on its own if you want to.

[Ryuu814]

termokanden wrote...

I think the best is the Valiant. My favorite, however, is the Black Widow. Feels better.

Reasons? The Valiant is extremely easy to use with no nasty recoil, 3 shots per clip and lightning fast reloads. Yet it still does good damage.

The Black Widow is (for me) mostly about the fun factor. But it's certainly also a good weapon.

I agree, the Valiant and Black Widow are my personal favourites. 
While both are similar, the Widow can do the same damage as the normal Widow when upgraded and modded appropriately. The Valiant can do the same with a bit less damage but the reload is lighting fast. What the Valiant can do, the widow can't which is relaod speed, but the Widow has the advantage of penertration without the mod and more damage. 

I'm more of an Assault Rifle guy now anyway, so it doesn't apply awhole lot.

[BigBad]

My Infiltrator is never without his Javelin. Once you get the hang of it, it's easy mode for sniper rifles. Just slightly less powerful than the Widow, but it highlights all valid targets in the scope, making sure you never waste a shot on a target behind too much cover to penetrate, and smoke bombs become irrelevant. Throw on a Spare Thermal Clip and a Concentration mod, and you're toting around Cerberus' worst nightmare. Also, you can see cloaked/invisible enemies, so geth are no longer a problem either.

Modifié par BigBad, 08 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[shrimprahmen]

mantis on my Insanity run soldier. i like options when carring weapons and i like to have alot of weapons. its got power and its light.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

all them except the incisor
I have played with all of the snipers and the only one i recommend you avoid is the incisor.

I when with infiltrator lvl 6 extra power and then marksman as a bonus power headshot damage + fire rate I could pump out somewhere between 4-6 rounds with the viper while before the tactical cloak bonus wore off. I consider myself to have a decent trigger finger

[demersel]

The thing that surprised me the most in ME3 - is that Viper was the best sniper rifle for my infiltrator on insanity. Can't explain it. In ME2 i was "Widow all the way" guy. But viper was very light, very accurate, shoots fat enough, and has no problem with ammo.

[JimLiedeka]

That's good to know. I'm planning to try an infiltrator. I want to carry an SR and a shotgun without compromising cooldown too much. I figure that means Mantis or Viper for the SR. Was thinking Mantis but I'm going to give the Viper a try.

[Kronner]

termokanden wrote...

I think the best is the Valiant. My favorite, however, is the Black Widow. Feels better.

Reasons? The Valiant is extremely easy to use with no nasty recoil, 3 shots per clip and lightning fast reloads. Yet it still does good damage.

The Black Widow is (for me) mostly about the fun factor. But it's certainly also a good weapon.

Ditto. 

[Priisus]

I was using a scoped Carniflex as a Sniper Rifle substitute and it is pretty much awesome. Although on NG+, I got back to carrying Valiant X and Revenant X for my Soldier... Just like the feel of a real Sniper Rifle.

I got the Black Widow for my Infiltrator and it's fun as heck cos it's just so powerful. But for practical/ease of use reasons imo the Valiant wins.

[JaegerBane]

The problem I've got is that I doubt I'll ever be willing to drop 250k on the Black Widow when the Valiant is not only such an effective and awesome sniper rifle, but also an equal or even superior option.

Don't get me wrong, the BW is great sniper rifle, but that recoil.... it largely nullifies any advantage from being semi-auto in the first place.

[Jazharah]

I thought I'd like the Black Widow best, but eventually I decided to give N7 Valiant a shot, and on normal/veteran difficulty it just *rocks*. Upgraded it does almost the same damage as a BW, add an extended barrel and armor piercing mod and the difference in DPS is negligible. The total lack of recoil, quicker rate of fire and rapid reload however make it stand head&shoulders over the BW for me though.

I'm a little surprised to seeing the Indra and Raptor being preferred for an infiltrator. Seeing they do much less damage per shot, you're wasting the damage bonus you get from tactical cloak. They seem great SR's for an engineer or adept if you're so inclined, but as an infiltrator I think it's wasting your potential.

Modifié par Jazharah, 09 avril 2012 - 04:55 .

[Eragondragonrider]

I love the N7 Valiant with time-slow and +weapon dmg also have armor rounds, thing is bad to the bone. Quick three shots and fast reload works awesome on insanity and will out dps the black widow because of the quicker reload.

[Leon Zweihander]

JaegerBane wrote...

The problem I've got is that I doubt I'll ever be willing to drop 250k on the Black Widow when the Valiant is not only such an effective and awesome sniper rifle, but also an equal or even superior option.

Don't get me wrong, the BW is great sniper rifle, but that recoil.... it largely nullifies any advantage from being semi-auto in the first place.

Don't see a problem with the BW, as an Infiltrator at least.  The fire rate is slow enough that you can move the reticle back in place for a 2nd cloaked headshot, and that's while holding the fire button.  If anything still needs a 3rd headshot chances are it's slow and big to begin with.  (Brute/Banshee/Atlas)

Modifié par Leon Zweihander, 09 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[CapnCruuunch]

Jazharah wrote...
I'm a little surprised to seeing the Indra and Raptor being preferred for an infiltrator. Seeing they do much less damage per shot, you're wasting the damage bonus you get from tactical cloak. They seem great SR's for an engineer or adept if you're so inclined, but as an infiltrator I think it's wasting your potential.

Raptor is always going to be a bit controversial in a thread like this. I love the weapon, but can't argue that it is the best when it turns the traditional sniper playstyle on it's head. People I think of as "pure snipers" aren't going to favor it. If you are a badass crack shot, or have a great stun->headshot system going, you are most likely going to be able to use the traditional sniper rifles more effectively.

As a fan of the Raptor (and a less-than-avid sniper), I love the flexibility the it brings to the table. As has been said many times, it's basically a Mattock assault rifle with built-in scope. I have a fast trigger finger and can keep the reticle trained on the top half of an enemy reasonably well. When everything is riding on that single, brilliantly placed shot, I'm not as effective. Practice would make me better, but the Raptor fits right into a comfort zone. Being able to unload a ton of shots into your enemy means that you may get more use out of your disruptor ammo, which I enjoy quite a bit. Seamlessly transitioning from long range to short range fighting without changing weapons was something I also enjoyed. I would often just bring my Raptor and keep my cooldowns a little lower.

So, again, I would never argue that it is the best sniper rifle. But it is an extremely effective weapon, and I'm way better holding that than a traditional sniper (so far).

[Kronner]

JaegerBane wrote...

The problem I've got is that I doubt I'll ever be willing to drop 250k on the Black Widow when the Valiant is not only such an effective and awesome sniper rifle, but also an equal or even superior option.

Don't get me wrong, the BW is great sniper rifle, but that recoil.... it largely nullifies any advantage from being semi-auto in the first place.

Agreed.

That said, the recoil is what makes the Black Widow fun to use. 

IMHO the N7 Valiant gets boring, as it has no recoil, so you do not even have to aim that well to pop 3 headshots easily. 

Modifié par Kronner, 09 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[xi ShadowWolf x]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

N7 Valiant with time-slow and +weapon dmg also have armor rounds.

This. Hands down. No competition.
First I loved the Incisor, Then the Viper and now this. But by far N7 Valiant wins! In my opinion. 

[silverspirit2001]

I am one of the Raptor fans.

Mainly because its easier to set up tech explosions using weapon powers if you are not one shotting mooks. And the raptor is light enough to allow you to use carnifax with armor peircing mods and cryo ammo for the heavily shielded mooks, along with incinerate.

Tried the black widow, but found it took to long to reload, it slowed down power usage too much, and was constantly worried about ammo - never used ammo mods though.