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[Arppis]

Hold the Wallet seems like best course of action, imo. That's something I do when I don't like something.

[Jagri]

GroverA125 wrote...

Yeah, at least we can say we tried to stop the gaming industry from turning into what it will if we fail. That is, a mire-pool of unfinished games with day-one DLC, major bugs on release and terrible endings. Let's also not forget that if we fail, developers won't listen to their fanbase at all either.

No joke, by the way, that's one of the main reasons we're fighting, this is a much greater scale than people seem to think, if developers realise that so many people will just sit there and take all the garbage they throw at them, then they'll keep doing it, that's why we're still going, because if we don't nip this in the bud, then it'll get out of control and soon every games developer will follow in EAware's footsteps. simply because they can and they won't lose any profit.

I always did see this having greater implications then simply the Mass Effect series. The gaming industry as a whole is growing stagnant and this may be just the kick in the rear it needs.

[Someguyukno]

Jagri wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Yeah, at least we can say we tried to stop the gaming industry from turning into what it will if we fail. That is, a mire-pool of unfinished games with day-one DLC, major bugs on release and terrible endings. Let's also not forget that if we fail, developers won't listen to their fanbase at all either.

No joke, by the way, that's one of the main reasons we're fighting, this is a much greater scale than people seem to think, if developers realise that so many people will just sit there and take all the garbage they throw at them, then they'll keep doing it, that's why we're still going, because if we don't nip this in the bud, then it'll get out of control and soon every games developer will follow in EAware's footsteps. simply because they can and they won't lose any profit.

I always did see this having greater implications then simply the Mass Effect series. The gaming industry as a whole is growing stagnant and this may be just the kick in the rear it needs.

I do agree that the traditional industry is growing stagnant, but there is still plenty of innovation out there, surprisingly on the IOS and indie market, but that's getting off topic. The traditional industry has grown too large and act as if they can do no wrong, and we're seeing their hubris hurt them now. It's great to see that our movement has grown into something that will truly change the game industry, and I hope we change it for the better.

[Joccaren]

Is it wrong of me to read that in Kirrahe's voice? I kinda did. It seemed appropriate.

But yes. Whilst this movement can't be called a complete success just yet, we did win a small victory. We held the line, and we are getting DLC - FREE DLC. Is it exactly what we asked for? No, but we've done well to get this far, and with any luck we may make it the whole way.
Our movement has been civil, kind, yet firm. It has provided an instant argument against those who say "You all want your individual endings" - 66,000 people have agreed on a set of points they will accept. There is not a massive discord in what we want.
The Retake movement is what has kept us from being ridiculed 100% of the time - providing a civil outlet for our anger at the endings, and forcing some who would normally just brush this off to think twice about it.
This is what can be accomplished when we work together. We can overcome the odds. Now, we just need to do it one more time. Hold the line brothers and sisters, hold the line.

[MOELANDER]

I am tired, but I will keep on holding the line until it either ends in tears of anguish and betrayal or in tears of joy on our side!

Hold the Line!

[GroverA125]

Jagri wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Yeah, at least we can say we tried to stop the gaming industry from turning into what it will if we fail. That is, a mire-pool of unfinished games with day-one DLC, major bugs on release and terrible endings. Let's also not forget that if we fail, developers won't listen to their fanbase at all either.

No joke, by the way, that's one of the main reasons we're fighting, this is a much greater scale than people seem to think, if developers realise that so many people will just sit there and take all the garbage they throw at them, then they'll keep doing it, that's why we're still going, because if we don't nip this in the bud, then it'll get out of control and soon every games developer will follow in EAware's footsteps. simply because they can and they won't lose any profit.

I always did see this having greater implications then simply the Mass Effect series. The gaming industry as a whole is growing stagnant and this may be just the kick in the rear it needs.

Exactly, it already seems to have fell a little, most games that have came out haven't lived up to their expectations. If we succeed in our cause, that'll make the other companies have second thoughts about screwing their fanbase over. Remember that not all developers are as large as EA, and as such, if we win, they'll probably get the picture that they won't fare much of a chance either. I just hope that other people see that when they criticise us for being "whiny" or "entitled". the whole thing is a lot deeper than it looks.

That's also the problem, having escalated this argument, we created another risk. Now developers KNOW we know they're doing a bad job, and then if we can't back our argument and succeed, then they know that even if we do try to stop it, we won't be able to.

Modifié par GroverA125, 08 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[DS Monkfish]

Couldn't stand to even look at my LCE after finishing ME3. Instead of my anticipated rerun of the entire trilogy, I spent all my time here (having never posted on forums before), taking comfort in realising that damn near everyone I was hearing from was saying the same thing. Retake became my support group! I even got hugs and cookies.

Seeing my friends sloooooowly playing through the game was horrible - they were taking their time, not wanting to rush through the story, thinking the ending was going to be the awesomest thing in the history of awesome... couldn't bring myself to ruin the journey for them. Then saw one of them had just finished, and was on live chat with him for about 2 hours as he tried to make sense of that trainwreck of a finale. Now we're both here, holding the line.  

Getting BioWare to commit to the EC is a remarkable achievement IMO, even if it's not everything we wanted, and I'm proud to be part of Retake. I'm also slightly surprised that I've managed to avoid responding to any trolls - never knew I could exercise that kind of restraint...

Modifié par dmath2, 08 avril 2012 - 11:16 .

[miczall]

I think we did a great job so far, but I'm tired of being ignored by Bioware - we don't have any dialogue with them, no matter how to look at it. But as for RME - it's great community and two words come to my mouth: stubborn and civil. I like that kind of protests, I wrote some mails to Bioware, taken part in polls and shared my point of view with other guys. Great experience so far, I only wish I lived nearer Bioware HQ to mail letters:) but other than that I will still hold the line !

[Grimskull89]

I was actually on the sidelines for a while and ghosted through the forums because I was optimistic of Bioware... then Bioware started making announcements that seemed that seemed too rehearsed, felt empty, and not apologetic in any fashion. I decided to put my hand in, join the masses and have become vocal.

Others may retire, they deserve a break. I will take their place and hold the line.

[Someguyukno]

Joccaren wrote...

Is it wrong of me to read that in Kirrahe's voice? I kinda did. It seemed appropriate.

But yes. Whilst this movement can't be called a complete success just yet, we did win a small victory. We held the line, and we are getting DLC - FREE DLC. Is it exactly what we asked for? No, but we've done well to get this far, and with any luck we may make it the whole way.
Our movement has been civil, kind, yet firm. It has provided an instant argument against those who say "You all want your individual endings" - 66,000 people have agreed on a set of points they will accept. There is not a massive discord in what we want.
The Retake movement is what has kept us from being ridiculed 100% of the time - providing a civil outlet for our anger at the endings, and forcing some who would normally just brush this off to think twice about it.
This is what can be accomplished when we work together. We can overcome the odds. Now, we just need to do it one more time. Hold the line brothers and sisters, hold the line.

We are not done, and we will not yield. We fought the Rachni, we fought Saren, we fought the Collectors, we denied Cerberus and we came together to fight the Reapers. Together, we come together once more to bring the fight to those who would tarnish this great series. I will stand by your side, until the end, as we Hold. The. Line!

(And yes, perfectly natural.)

[Someguyukno]

Arppis wrote...

Hold the Wallet seems like best course of action, imo. That's something I do when I don't like something.

Indeed, it's simple and effective, and with enough of us it will definitely get the point across. Hold the wallet, my friend.

[Cgrissom]

Being a writer myself, seeing this level of devotion to a story is deeply touching. Being a part of it has been an honor. We have in many ways shaped the world of gaming this past month. And gaming shall be better for it. Even if they do not change the ending, the concept of changing something to keep the story well written will be something that is engraved in the memory of the industry for years to come.

[Someguyukno]

MOELANDER wrote...

I am tired, but I will keep on holding the line until it either ends in tears of anguish and betrayal or in tears of joy on our side!

Hold the Line!

We have fought long and hard, but our efforts will not be in vain. I'm with you to the end, so let's hold the line together!

[Ziggurate]

 good post you have my support

[CJMissen]

Holding the line until I'm damn well SATISFIED that they have done this series JUSTICE in its conclusion.

Somehow I doubt clarification and expanding on things as they are is going to cut it.
I also do not count myself amongst those with a limited imagionation.

[LittleTito]

dmath2 wrote...
Getting BioWare to commit to the EC is a remarkable achievement IMO, even if it's not everything we wanted, and I'm proud to be part of Retake. I'm also slightly surprised that I've managed to avoid responding to any trolls - never knew I could exercise that kind of restraint...

That self-moderating behaviour was one key component that made Retake taken seriously and it's something we can ill effort to lose.

The rules still stand - be civil, be objective and obey forum rules.

With the announcement of the new DLC, a myriad of new threads from retakers, ex-retakers and people claiming to be retakers sprung out, all with different agendas and none of the sensibilities exhibited the last couple of weeks ago that made Retake a serious force to be reckoned with.

It's time we regroup and find our soul again.  I like this thread, it's introspective and retrospective.  We can rally around it. 

But our main banner should be CDRSKYSHEPARD's thread.  It is painstakely archived and categorized in the OP and folks are still somewhat respectful of the standards set there.

Modifié par LittleTito, 08 avril 2012 - 11:14 .

[Someguyukno]

miczall wrote...

I think we did a great job so far, but I'm tired of being ignored by Bioware - we don't have any dialogue with them, no matter how to look at it. But as for RME - it's great community and two words come to my mouth: stubborn and civil. I like that kind of protests, I wrote some mails to Bioware, taken part in polls and shared my point of view with other guys. Great experience so far, I only wish I lived nearer Bioware HQ to mail letters:) but other than that I will still hold the line !

Stubborn and civil...sounds like a polite Krogan. Either way, I'm Major Kirrahe and this is my favorite message on the Cit-I MEAN SUR'KESH!

Glad to hear your dedication. Bioware may not acknowledge us, but that doesn't mean they aren't painfully aware of us. The whole gaming community is by now. I'll hold the line with you any day.

[Someguyukno]

Grimskull89 wrote...

I was actually on the sidelines for a while and ghosted through the forums because I was optimistic of Bioware... then Bioware started making announcements that seemed that seemed too rehearsed, felt empty, and not apologetic in any fashion. I decided to put my hand in, join the masses and have become vocal.

Others may retire, they deserve a break. I will take their place and hold the line.

The words "Clarification" and "Artistic Integrity" sure have been used to a sickening degree. Seriously, they're making me sick. Please make it stop.

We'll Hold the Line as long as it takes!

[Someguyukno]

Cgrissom wrote...

Being a writer myself, seeing this level of devotion to a story is deeply touching. Being a part of it has been an honor. We have in many ways shaped the world of gaming this past month. And gaming shall be better for it. Even if they do not change the ending, the concept of changing something to keep the story well written will be something that is engraved in the memory of the industry for years to come.

It is good to see so much good come out of something so sad. We've all done an amazing thing, and hopefully publishers and developers will remember. And more importantly, WE will remember what we did here, that we stood up and said no more, this is the line, this is where we make our stand. We will Hold. The. Line!

[Someguyukno]

CJMissen wrote...

Holding the line until I'm damn well SATISFIED that they have done this series JUSTICE in its conclusion.

Somehow I doubt clarification and expanding on things as they are is going to cut it.
I also do not count myself amongst those with a limited imagionation.

Mass Effect 3 was better than the original Star Wars Trilogy until the God Child showed up. THERE, I SAID IT!

[CJMissen]

Someguyukno wrote...

CJMissen wrote...

Holding the line until I'm damn well SATISFIED that they have done this series JUSTICE in its conclusion.

Somehow I doubt clarification and expanding on things as they are is going to cut it.
I also do not count myself amongst those with a limited imagionation.

Mass Effect 3 was better than the original Star Wars Trilogy until the God Child showed up. THERE, I SAID IT!

on that we have an agreement

[Someguyukno]

LittleTito wrote...

dmath2 wrote...
Getting BioWare to commit to the EC is a remarkable achievement IMO, even if it's not everything we wanted, and I'm proud to be part of Retake. I'm also slightly surprised that I've managed to avoid responding to any trolls - never knew I could exercise that kind of restraint...

That self-moderating behaviour was one key component that made Retake taken seriously and it's something we can ill effort to lose.

The rules still stand - be civil, be objective and obey forum rules.

With the announcement of the new DLC, a myriad of new threads from retakers, ex-retakers and people claiming to be retakers sprung out, all with different agendas and none of the sensibilities exhibited the last couple of weeks ago that made Retake a serious force to be reckoned with.

It's time we regroup and find our soul again.  I like this thread, it's introspective and retrospective.  We can rally around it. 

But our main banner should be CDRSKYSHEPARD's thread.  It is painstakely archived and categorized in the OP and folks are still somewhat respectful of the standards set there.

Can you provide a link? I searched for it and nothing showed up.

[Grimskull89]

Someguyukno wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

I was actually on the sidelines for a while and ghosted through the forums because I was optimistic of Bioware... then Bioware started making announcements that seemed that seemed too rehearsed, felt empty, and not apologetic in any fashion. I decided to put my hand in, join the masses and have become vocal.

Others may retire, they deserve a break. I will take their place and hold the line.

The words "Clarification" and "Artistic Integrity" sure have been used to a sickening degree. Seriously, they're making me sick. Please make it stop.

We'll Hold the Line as long as it takes!

Agreed brother

[S Atomeha]

And then we'll win this. I feel it. Do you feel it?

[Namz89]

I agree. Even if there is no "victory" in sight, even if all our efforts will change nothing, it won't be for naught. I think we've shown the game industry how much power the customers/players/fans have. For that fact alone, I am willing to go down fighting, rather than play nice with Bioware and their poor attempts to justify something that makes no sense regarding the rest of the game, instead of admitting their mistake and really trying to fix it.

Sure, they might pull of something great with that ending DLC, but so far - what I've read from their statements, I'm not expecting anything from it. As Tali said: "I'm in favour of second chances...third chances is streching it."

I am not willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt again - for they have betrayed my expectations two times already, one time involving a great deal of money (preordering the CE).

Until they give us a ending that is acceptable and satisfying or they shut down all hope - saying "That's it, we are not going to provide more stuff. Period." I will hold the line.