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[dakilla171192]

If I did what my Shepard would have done, I would of flown over to the Bioware office that the mass effect team is in, had a lengthy discussion/debate with the decision makers and if that didn't go well, my Shepard would have killed everyone who touched the mass effect 3 ending.

[Someguyukno]

Lilaeth wrote...

Well, as the old saying goes, if you don't ask, you don't get. We asked for an improvement in the endings. We've been promised something. Not sure that it'll be what some of us want, but we'll know soon enough. Hold the line until then.

I'm still going to wait to pass judgement on the Extended cut. If it wraps up the ending nicely, it still won't be an ending without the God Child, but I'll be satisfied. That's all that we are asking for: to be satisfied. Hopefully Bioware can deliver. Until then my friends, keep Holding The Line.

[DarkFaerie316]

Someguyukno wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

From the get go I was excited because it gave us, the consumers, hope that we might be able to retaliate against poor business practices. It gave us the hope that we might retake some of our previous power when "the customer was always right."

Too long has our influence on the products we consume been passive. Too long have we been forced to deal with crappy customer service reps, shoddy products at exorbitant prices, and nickel-and-dime business models. This movement gave me hope that we might be able to find a way to regain a modicum of control over our entertainment.

More than anything seeing such a diverse group of consumers rally around a cause like this has been inspiring. Defiance in the face of incompetence in a unified movement that actually tried to stay civil while bringing together people from all over the world, from all along the political and economic spectrum, and of all sorts of religious, cultural, and moral belief systems has been awe inspiring.

That's what has stuck with me since this whole thing began.

This is just like in Mass Effect 3, bringing everyone together to do the impossible. We're not just playing it anymore, we're LIVING it! This will be remembered, even if we fail to find the ending Mass Effect deserves. So we will stand together, united under one banner. This isn't just about an ending, it's about a story that has become our own. It's about the consumer being treated with respect.

Times are dark now, but the night is always darkest before the dawn. This event is an inspiration, and I for one am honored to be a part of it.

I will stand with you all, and together we will Hold The Line!

^^^This, most definitely this!!!!! Hold The Line!!!!!

[LittleTito]

BladyMZ wrote...

Holding The Line also caused a lot of people to belive, that the game is "99.9 % perfect but the ending ruined it", not remembering the tedious planet scanning, fetch quests, Face Import Bug, ME2 LI, Reaper Minigame, boring missions apart the main ones and the oh-so-many bugs in the game.

The forum was going (as still is...) at FTL speeds with people writing how EDNDIXS SUXXX and making other valid topics lost in the crowd...which is a shame. You can't really have a talk about the Catalyst without people going ape$%!7... so yeah, I had a blast with the Retake movement when it started, wanted the IT to be true, but it ISN'T, Im a veteran of Metal Gear Solid games, I know how deeply fan read into stuff. Yes, some of the fan theories turn out better than what the payed writers came up with.

They were never going to change the endings completely. All they could ever do was to add cutscenes, like CD Projekt is doing now for Witcher 2.

Bioware said they are making free additional cutscenes, they took our friggin book with 130 letters about ME2 LI (my letter included), what else do you want? Grow up, there is no medal for figthing a now-meaingless war. We all did good, but now you are just beeing silly.

Is Extended Cut going to be bad? We do not know. Maybe it will suck, maybe it won't. We will see, THEN voice our opinion. Fact remains:

The game came out. We all played it. My Shepard met the Catalyst. It is done.

Hackett out.

I for one would rather still hold the line , and wait and see until concrete details of the DLC are available before deciding on the next step to take.  We might continue our stance or we might say "thisi s good enough, we
compromise,"

Nothing is cast in stone yet.

To simply leave the line and proclaim victory and satisfaction on the basis on a few lines of text we have been shown so far is in my opinion, premature.  And if everyone gives themselves a pat on their backs now and go our own ways, I worry that there won't even be a core Retake population left  if we want to voice our opinions by that time.

[stcalvin13]

Someguyukno wrote...

 It's been one month since the fans banded together to Retake Mass Effect 3, and we're all growing tired. We've pointed fingers, shouted and screamed, donated and baked, and we still don't know if our efforts will bear fruit.

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

So here I ask you not to share your feelings on the ending, there are plenty of other forums for that. But here, share with us your thoughts on the movement, and how you feel about being a part of it. Think back to when you first finished the game and stared at the screen thinking 'that's it?' and think to how you felt when you first heard of and joined the movement. Share with us a conversation you had with a friend, or a joke we may not have heard. The forum is open, my friends.

Hold the Line.

Here, Here!

For what's its worth, we've done quite a lot of good:

1.  We've raised 80K for Child's play.

2. We got another 1K of cupcakes donated to Charity.

3. We've imporved the quaility of future sci-fi storyteling.  Speculative endings will not be the lazy-writer's go to for at least a time.  Nobody wants to "pull an ME3."

4. We've shined at least a small spotlight on how troubled the video game review industry is.

5. We've got EC coming.  Most of us aren't happy with what we've heard about it so far, but it can't make things worse and if it's the last concession that BW makes then . . . 

6. We will, in the end, know that we did our best and we will know whether BW is the company we all came to love, or if they have been corrupted by EA or delusions of grandure.

[Someguyukno]

BladyMZ wrote...

Holding The Line also caused a lot of people to belive, that the game is "99.9 % perfect but the ending ruined it", not remembering the tedious planet scanning, fetch quests, Face Import Bug, ME2 LI, Reaper Minigame, boring missions apart the main ones and the oh-so-many bugs in the game.

The forum was going (as still is...) at FTL speeds with people writing how EDNDIXS SUXXX and making other valid topics lost in the crowd...which is a shame. You can't really have a talk about the Catalyst without people going ape$%!7... so yeah, I had a blast with the Retake movement when it started, wanted the IT to be true, but it ISN'T, Im a veteran of Metal Gear Solid games, I know how deeply fan read into stuff. Yes, some of the fan theories turn out better than what the payed writers came up with.

They were never going to change the endings completely. All they could ever do was to add cutscenes, like CD Projekt is doing now for Witcher 2.

Bioware said they are making free additional cutscenes, they took our friggin book with 130 letters about ME2 LI (my letter included), what else do you want? Grow up, there is no medal for figthing a now-meaingless war. We all did good, but now you are just beeing silly.

Is Extended Cut going to be bad? We do not know. Maybe it will suck, maybe it won't. We will see, THEN voice our opinion. Fact remains:

The game came out. We all played it. My Shepard met the Catalyst. It is done.

Hackett out.

I agree with you on the extended cut about withholding judgement, but I disagree with the first part of your post. Please allow me to explain.

I still feel that Mass Effect 3 was an amazing game in spite of stock photos, lack of dialogue options, day 1 dlc, and all the things you listed above. But the ending is the one thing that ruins it all, in fact it ruins the entire trilogy for me. I tried replaying ME1 when I realized that I just didn't want to play, because I knew nothing I did would really matter. Everything I fought for, freeing the Rachni, destroying the Collector Base, keeping my squad alive through the suicide mission, none of it mattered because it all led to that same ten-minute atrocity. No matter how many people I save or leave to die, it all feels pointless knowing what looms on the horizon.

One of Mass Effect's strongest theme's has always been hope, and knowing what inevitably looms at the end takes all hope away from us. Of course, that's just one reason the ending ruined the game, but I feel it's the most important.

To that end, I stand proud with fellow retakers Holding The Line until the series recieves the ending it deserves.

[BladyMZ]

“You all know the mission, and what is at stake.
While this may not be our game, it is our Shepard!
Today, upset fans have asked for our help, and today, we will deliver.
In
this war, we are all fans of the game, and there is no enemy we cannot
defeat together. No threat we cannot neutralize. No challenge we cannot
overcome.
Some day, when the RGB endings are just a memory, the fans
of the forums will come together and remember this place, this very
ground, and say, 'the Retake Movement was here'!
They did not fail!
They did not falter!
And they did not surrender!”

HOLD THE LINE.

I hope you are being ironic now, with the speeches, because if not, you are being moronic.

There is a reason why Mordin called Kirahhe a cloaka, you know.

I love fan-feedback. Its what shaped Bioware, its making CDProjekt great. My polish genes make me want to take part in every protest there is. But enough with the speeches...

Modifié par BladyMZ, 08 avril 2012 - 12:47 .

[Someguyukno]

Sir_Cabbage wrote...

dont forget the fact tali was never rendered properly without her mask/suit, and instead was edited stock images o-o

I can actually live with that, and all the other minor flaws in the game. The ending is the part that does it in for me. See my response to BladyMZ for details. Holding The Line.

Edit: Either way, this is fun.

Modifié par Someguyukno, 08 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[antony1197]

Someguyukno wrote...

 It's been one month since the fans banded together to Retake Mass Effect 3, and we're all growing tired. We've pointed fingers, shouted and screamed, donated and baked, and we still don't know if our efforts will bear fruit.

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

So here I ask you not to share your feelings on the ending, there are plenty of other forums for that. But here, share with us your thoughts on the movement, and how you feel about being a part of it. Think back to when you first finished the game and stared at the screen thinking 'that's it?' and think to how you felt when you first heard of and joined the movement. Share with us a conversation you had with a friend, or a joke we may not have heard. The forum is open, my friends.

Hold the Line.

Im honored to have served with so many, some took it too far but for the most part we tried our best to keep it civil, we have a long way to go but we all knew we could be in for a long fight. Hold the line, Not a step back from here 

[Someguyukno]

frozngecko wrote...

@ Retake Movement: You did good. We're proud of you.

“You all know the mission, and what is at stake.
While this may not be our game, it is our Shepard!
Today, upset fans have asked for our help, and today, we will deliver.
In this war, we are all fans of the game, and there is no enemy we cannot defeat together. No threat we cannot neutralize. No challenge we cannot overcome.
Some day, when the RGB endings are just a memory, the fans of the forums will come together and remember this place, this very ground, and say, 'the Retake Movement was here'!
They did not fail!
They did not falter!
And they did not surrender!”

HOLD THE LINE.

I can see this speech being read in front of an army. Awesome!

[yummysoap]

Someguyukno wrote...

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

Now all you have to do is jump into a giant green lazer. Trust me it'll solve everything.

[Someguyukno]

dakilla171192 wrote...

If I did what my Shepard would have done, I would of flown over to the Bioware office that the mass effect team is in, had a lengthy discussion/debate with the decision makers and if that didn't go well, my Shepard would have killed everyone who touched the mass effect 3 ending.

I admire your enthusiasm, but let's keep things civil. No death threats please, even when joking.

[braisbr1]

yesterday, I went out and I was talking to a friend about random things, and suddendly mass effect came into our minds. The only thing we had to say about it was - wow man, they really screwed it. Can you think of any worst endings?

And we couldn't, even we both love the saga.

So that's why I still hold the line, because I know every character in the Mass Effect universe deserves more than that.

[Kamuchi]

yummysoap wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

Now all you have to do is jump into a giant green lazer. Trust me it'll solve everything.

Created merge with Creators (fans+developers)
EA becomes good
... can we have a new color?

[Grimskull89]

BladyMZ wrote...

Holding The Line also caused a lot of people to belive, that the game is "99.9 % perfect but the ending ruined it", not remembering the tedious planet scanning, fetch quests, Face Import Bug, ME2 LI, Reaper Minigame, boring missions apart the main ones and the oh-so-many bugs in the game.

The forum was going (as still is...) at FTL speeds with people writing how EDNDIXS SUXXX and making other valid topics lost in the crowd...which is a shame. You can't really have a talk about the Catalyst without people going ape$%!7... so yeah, I had a blast with the Retake movement when it started, wanted the IT to be true, but it ISN'T, Im a veteran of Metal Gear Solid games, I know how deeply fan read into stuff. Yes, some of the fan theories turn out better than what the payed writers came up with.

They were never going to change the endings completely. All they could ever do was to add cutscenes, like CD Projekt is doing now for Witcher 2.

Bioware said they are making free additional cutscenes, they took our friggin book with 130 letters about ME2 LI (my letter included), what else do you want? Grow up, there is no medal for figthing a now-meaingless war. We all did good, but now you are just beeing silly.

Is Extended Cut going to be bad? We do not know. Maybe it will suck, maybe it won't. We will see, THEN voice our opinion. Fact remains:

The game came out. We all played it. My Shepard met the Catalyst. It is done.

Hackett out.

As a PC player, I only experienced three bugs
1) during conversations, the characters often weren't looking eye-to-eye (Shepard in one case had his neck locked, and was looking to the left the whole time) a small cosmetic problem.
2) I noticed a problem when I started a mission where my level was reset, restarted game and they went away.
3) scripting issues where I would go through a door, but my squadmates would not follow and end up trapped behind said door.

I can overlook these. I expect bugs like these with new releases... unfortunately it has become normal.

The whole movement has been civil, sure there are bad apples... they exist. True members of the cause remain civil and obey the rules like any other poster. Declaring this a war, is not part of this movement being civil.

The movement goes on, because we have not gotten what we wanted. Those that wanted clarification will get it sure, but that is not what the movement wanted ultimately. They emphatically said no, they will not change the end. With that I joined the ranks, you can see this however you want. I see it as me taking your place in the movement and continuing to push it further.

[LittleTito]

Someguyukno wrote...

dakilla171192 wrote...

If I did what my Shepard would have done, I would of flown over to the Bioware office that the mass effect team is in, had a lengthy discussion/debate with the decision makers and if that didn't go well, my Shepard would have killed everyone who touched the mass effect 3 ending.

I admire your enthusiasm, but let's keep things civil. No death threats please, even when joking.

Quoted for truth. 

Be civil, be objective and abide by forum rules.

[frozngecko]

Someguyukno wrote...

frozngecko wrote...

@ Retake Movement: You did good. We're proud of you.

“You all know the mission, and what is at stake.
While this may not be our game, it is our Shepard!
Today, upset fans have asked for our help, and today, we will deliver.
In this war, we are all fans of the game, and there is no enemy we cannot defeat together. No threat we cannot neutralize. No challenge we cannot overcome.
Some day, when the RGB endings are just a memory, the fans of the forums will come together and remember this place, this very ground, and say, 'the Retake Movement was here'!
They did not fail!
They did not falter!
And they did not surrender!”

HOLD THE LINE.

I can see this speech being read in front of an army. Awesome!

And that's what the Movement needs: Inspiration from Major Kirrahe. We will hold the line, and we will not falter.

[Someguyukno]

LittleTito wrote...

BladyMZ wrote...

Holding The Line also caused a lot of people to belive, that the game is "99.9 % perfect but the ending ruined it", not remembering the tedious planet scanning, fetch quests, Face Import Bug, ME2 LI, Reaper Minigame, boring missions apart the main ones and the oh-so-many bugs in the game.

The forum was going (as still is...) at FTL speeds with people writing how EDNDIXS SUXXX and making other valid topics lost in the crowd...which is a shame. You can't really have a talk about the Catalyst without people going ape$%!7... so yeah, I had a blast with the Retake movement when it started, wanted the IT to be true, but it ISN'T, Im a veteran of Metal Gear Solid games, I know how deeply fan read into stuff. Yes, some of the fan theories turn out better than what the payed writers came up with.

They were never going to change the endings completely. All they could ever do was to add cutscenes, like CD Projekt is doing now for Witcher 2.

Bioware said they are making free additional cutscenes, they took our friggin book with 130 letters about ME2 LI (my letter included), what else do you want? Grow up, there is no medal for figthing a now-meaingless war. We all did good, but now you are just beeing silly.

Is Extended Cut going to be bad? We do not know. Maybe it will suck, maybe it won't. We will see, THEN voice our opinion. Fact remains:

The game came out. We all played it. My Shepard met the Catalyst. It is done.

Hackett out.

I for one would rather still hold the line , and wait and see until concrete details of the DLC are available before deciding on the next step to take.  We might continue our stance or we might say "thisi s good enough, we
compromise,"

Nothing is cast in stone yet.

To simply leave the line and proclaim victory and satisfaction on the basis on a few lines of text we have been shown so far is in my opinion, premature.  And if everyone gives themselves a pat on their backs now and go our own ways, I worry that there won't even be a core Retake population left  if we want to voice our opinions by that time.

I agree, nothing is done. Not until the series is given the ending it deserves. If the Extended Cut is crap, it isn't over. But even if it is acceptable, that doesn't mean the movement will simply vanish. Something has started that's about more than just the ending, it's about fans and loyal customers getting the respect they deserve from the companies they support. We raise them up, it's time we were acknowledged. Until then, we will Hold The Line!

[Someguyukno]

stcalvin13 wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...

 It's been one month since the fans banded together to Retake Mass Effect 3, and we're all growing tired. We've pointed fingers, shouted and screamed, donated and baked, and we still don't know if our efforts will bear fruit.

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

So here I ask you not to share your feelings on the ending, there are plenty of other forums for that. But here, share with us your thoughts on the movement, and how you feel about being a part of it. Think back to when you first finished the game and stared at the screen thinking 'that's it?' and think to how you felt when you first heard of and joined the movement. Share with us a conversation you had with a friend, or a joke we may not have heard. The forum is open, my friends.

Hold the Line.

Here, Here!

For what's its worth, we've done quite a lot of good:

1.  We've raised 80K for Child's play.

2. We got another 1K of cupcakes donated to Charity.

3. We've imporved the quaility of future sci-fi storyteling.  Speculative endings will not be the lazy-writer's go to for at least a time.  Nobody wants to "pull an ME3."

4. We've shined at least a small spotlight on how troubled the video game review industry is.

5. We've got EC coming.  Most of us aren't happy with what we've heard about it so far, but it can't make things worse and if it's the last concession that BW makes then . . . 

6. We will, in the end, know that we did our best and we will know whether BW is the company we all came to love, or if they have been corrupted by EA or delusions of grandure.

I couldn't have said it better myself. A lot of good came out of something bad, and no matter what we can leave knowing that what we did make a difference. But it isn't over, not yet. The line still must be held, and I'll be there with whoever else will join us in Holding The Line.

[Someguyukno]

antony1197 wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...

 It's been one month since the fans banded together to Retake Mass Effect 3, and we're all growing tired. We've pointed fingers, shouted and screamed, donated and baked, and we still don't know if our efforts will bear fruit.

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

So here I ask you not to share your feelings on the ending, there are plenty of other forums for that. But here, share with us your thoughts on the movement, and how you feel about being a part of it. Think back to when you first finished the game and stared at the screen thinking 'that's it?' and think to how you felt when you first heard of and joined the movement. Share with us a conversation you had with a friend, or a joke we may not have heard. The forum is open, my friends.

Hold the Line.

Im honored to have served with so many, some took it too far but for the most part we tried our best to keep it civil, we have a long way to go but we all knew we could be in for a long fight. Hold the line, Not a step back from here 

You said it. We've come so far, looking back it's amazing what we've done. I'm glad that we can all look back with pride at what we've been a part of. Each and every one of you should be proud.

[Someguyukno]

yummysoap wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...

But for a moment let's step back and be proud at what we've done. We've done exactly what Shepard did in Mass Effect: we came together to tackle a threat too big for any one of us to face alone. We should be proud of what we've done. So feel pride my friends, for somewhere in the universe our actions now will be remembered!

Now all you have to do is jump into a giant green lazer. Trust me it'll solve everything.

No. That was the worst ending of them all, and THAT is saying something.

[Dominator24]

Hold The Line

I think we did more, achieved more, then anyone at the start thought we would do.
I fell proud to be a part of this movement. It shows that in unity there's great strength.

We are like the Shepards that banded together to fight the Impossible force(EA/Bioware) for what we thought was right.
And I think we should stant toghere till the end, no mater the cost.


Hold The Line

Modifié par Dominator24, 08 avril 2012 - 01:13 .

[BladyMZ]

Imagine it worked. You get your 4GB patch with new endings, Harbinger arrives, talks about cycles and you Paragon him to death . Shepard walks out the Citadel, hugs Liara and everybody smiles. You get blue babies, Garrus surfing, Tali buliding a sweet white home with red doors.

Would that be a victory? Could you lie yourself into thinking it was in the game whole time, it was always your Shepards story?

Its like if you wanted to date some hot chick for a very long time. You write her poems, you buy her gifts. You stalk her for months, she rejects you every time, you lie to yourself that you could be happy together. Then, after months of pain, lies and dissrespect she agrees to go on a date with you, maybe just to shut you up. Yes, you would be happy at first, but later realise, it shouln'd be that way. That if you needed to fight for something for so long it is almost never worth it, because your expectations will never be met. You would always remember the times she made you cry. You could then dump her, meaning all you've done before was for nothing, or keep lying to yourself, that it was worth it. You choose. I pick the shy cute girl from the library...I mean Witcher 2

[Thalador]

MOELANDER wrote...

I am tired, but I will keep on holding the line until it either ends in tears of anguish and betrayal or in tears of joy on our side!

Hold the Line!

I love this post. Spot on!

But yeah... it's a sort of victory but not THE victory... still, very curious about this EC DLC - skeptical and overly cautious, but curious nonetheless.

[DarkFaerie316]

I've been taking crap from people telling me that I should "get over it" and "make my peace with the ending" I've been told "they went the philosophical route with the ending, deal with it and shut up" I refuse to let them beat me down, I refuse to accept their take on things. I have my own opinions and I have the right to express them. So I say to those who tell me "accept it, there's nothing you can do", that I can do something, I will do something. I will step up and tell BW why I dislike the endings. I will refuse to just be quiet and go away. I will Hold The Line!!!!!!!!