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Someguyukno wrote...

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On thing zhat conxerns me iss zhat i drink wayymorre alcohol than befo ramonth.


Sorry about this we put my big brother to bed now. It's only 15:36 here in Germany. But in our family drinking is part of Easter Sunday. He will be back tomorrow or later this night. I have taken his Laptop for the while before he writes something really stupid.


Love it! It's currently 6:44 over here in Washington State, U.S....in the morning. Yeah, this forum's kinda kept my attention. ^.^


Ha.. I'm in the same boat down here in California that darn sun is starting to peak out behind the clouds... >.<;;

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We expect better. That’s the message I take (ha!) from the Retake movement. We know you can do better and we expect better from you. And why shouldn’t we expect better – not just as consumers, but as gamers, as fans of this medium? Does this attitude make us ‘entitled’? If it does, I don’t see that as a bad thing. Striving to improve is a good thing, it’s what challenges and motivates us to do better.

I see Retake as a great compliment to Bioware. People care about these games. They care about these stories and these characters. They care enough to get angry – and that’s a rare thing. It shows Bioware succeeded where so many other storytellers fail – in any medium. They made us care.

Games, traditionally you might say, have disappointing endings, but most of  the time we just shrug and accept it. So why not now? In fact, why didn’t we see this coming? When it’s the norm for games to present us with a lacklustre ending, why did we expect ME3 to be any different? It’s because we cared. It’s because of the quality of what came before. Bioware set their own high standards in an industry with low standards when it comes to characterisation, plot and resolution. We expected better of them, it really is that simple.

So why not just shrug it off? It’s just a video game, right? I shrugged off the crappy ending to Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I shrugged off the crappy final boss fight in Bioshock, a game often lauded in the 'are games art' debate. I shrugged off the lacklustre final sequence of my favourite game ever – System Shock  2. So why not this?

Well, why should we? ME is special because it made us care, but why should we shrug off any game with a crappy ending? For me, Retake represents a shift in gamers expectations. We’ve become a more discerning audience and I think that’s a great thing for gaming. We’re becoming less content to just sit back and say, ‘well, that was disappointing, what will I play next?’ We see, where perhaps developers and publishers sadly do not, the potential for this medium and how it can improve and evolve.

Now, I’ve seen some bloggers and even people within the industry suggest that if Bioware change or alter the ending it will, in some unexplained way ‘set back’ gaming. But ‘set back’ in the eyes of who? Whose validation are they seeking? Isn’t it ours? You know, their fans and customers? Ordo they seek the approval of...I don’t know, Roger Ebert perhaps? Why should we care how critics of other art forms judge the gaming industry? Games aren’t films, books or paintings. Games are games and they shouldn’t try to be anything else. If gaming truly is an evolving art form, then there are no rules – why should we apply arbitrary and subjective rules established for other mediums to gaming?

To Summarise -

1) Retake is a welcome reminder that gamers are passionate about this industry and desire to see it raise its standards.
2) Retake and Biowares/EA's reaction and handling of it (free content - from EA? - the mind boggles!) WILL be considered by other Developers and Publishers in the future. Maybe they'll start to wake up and realise we're not going to continue passively lapping up everything they churn out as quickly as they can. We appreciate and expect quality for our money.
3) Some of the major gaming sites that were so critical, even downright rude, to Retake already seem to slowly be backtracking on their words. This whole fiasco has really served to highlight the serious disconnect between gamers and the so called 'professional' critics. They'll have to do a lot to win back trust, if they can indeed win it back at all.

Overall, Retake has a lot to be proud of and maybe it is a welcome kick up the backside for the gaming industry that seems to be increasingly out of touch with its own customers.


This post should be required reading for all retakers. You're absolutely right, everything that's happened has happened out of love for Mass Effect. I consider the series to be better than the original Star Wars until the God Child appeared, and I stick to that. For those reasons, we Hold The Line, for the ending the series deserves.

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Grimskull89 wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...

MOELANDER wrote...

MOELANDER wrote...

On thing zhat conxerns me iss zhat i drink wayymorre alcohol than befo ramonth.


Sorry about this we put my big brother to bed now. It's only 15:36 here in Germany. But in our family drinking is part of Easter Sunday. He will be back tomorrow or later this night. I have taken his Laptop for the while before he writes something really stupid.


Love it! It's currently 6:44 over here in Washington State, U.S....in the morning. Yeah, this forum's kinda kept my attention. ^.^


Ha.. I'm in the same boat down here in California that darn sun is starting to peak out behind the clouds... >.<;;


Haha we should probably get some sleep soon...just one more post...lol

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and we still don't know if our efforts will bear fruit.

We do know that they won't. Bioware is taking a stand and sticking to their artistic vision - apparently they don't like money.


True, if the EC fails to deliver, Bioware is going to have a hard time bringing us back. I personally align myself with Holding The Wallet.

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Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.

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Grimskull89 wrote...

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Imagine it worked. You get your 4GB patch with new endings, Harbinger arrives, talks about cycles and you Paragon him to death . Shepard walks out the Citadel, hugs Liara and everybody smiles. You get blue babies, Garrus surfing, Tali buliding a sweet white home with red doors.

Would that be a victory? Could you lie yourself into thinking it was in the game whole time, it was always your Shepards story?


The amount of plotholes that occur with the current ending are growing every day. I created a thread just today that suggest that if Shepard dies with the destroy ending, Garrus dies as well. Garrus has cybernetics that are keeping him alive as well after he had that close encounter with a rocket in ME2.

If that one doesn't bother you, consider this... the catalyst tells you that the citadel is part of him. Why are the keepers necessary in activating the citadel to allow the reapers to use it as a mass relay? This goes against the plot established in ME1.

Hey they change the ending, like actually rework the ending and play on things that were previously established within the ME universe I will consider it a victory.


****, I hadn't even considered Garrus' cybernetics, like hell am I letting him die! Though apparently according to that unofficial Patrick Weekes interview he said that EDI does survive the blast, which in theory means that the Geth do too. We know Shepard can survive so that also means Garrus survives.

... Stoopid plotholes.


There's more than that. What about biotics, and Quarians who have implants to interface with their suits? if they die, then the geth/quarian conflict would be ENTIRELY POINTLESS!!


Others have suggested the same about implants and quarians, I fear that thread got lost. I am a little more focused on Shepard and Garrus, as I feel it might be stretching this particular plothole too far.

Though implants are still synthetic in nature.. and the implications are nasty.

Just another reason to hate the ending eh?


They just keep piling up. Honestly I've lost track of them all.

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Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)

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Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


This isn't for you, but for everyone who's thinking of responding: remember guys, keep it civil.

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Extended ending is not what we wanted.

Taking a bigger crap, still makes it crap. Yes, impressive, but still it's crap. It'll always be crap.

Just with more plotholes for corn.

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Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)

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Extended ending is not what we wanted.

Taking a bigger crap, still makes it crap. Yes, impressive, but still it's crap. It'll always be crap.

Just with more plotholes for corn.


Personally, I'm withholding judgement. I'm skeptical, but this means that they at least acknowledge that they did something wrong. Will it fix everything? No way in hell, there's too much wrong with it to fix everything. But hopefully it'll be enough of an improvement that we can leave satisfied.

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Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)


Seemed to be in good humor to me. You trolled us, he trolled you right back. :)

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Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)


I did not flame, I did not disagree.

If you are not here to add to the discussion, and your comment above seems rather explicit of that. What is your purpose here? You produced a statement that is baiting others. If that is not trolling good sir, what is it then?

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Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)


I did not flame, I did not disagree.

If you are not here to add to the discussion, and your comment above seems rather explicit of that. What is your purpose here? You produced a statement that is baiting others. If that is not trolling good sir, what is it then?


It is my honest and straight opinion of this so called movement. I don't agree with it, I don't think it does much good and I have the right to bring up that opinion. :P

I am yet to see anything positive come out of this, I doubt I ever will. Every time I hear about it, it has to do with something stupid people did and made BSN community in general look totally retarded.

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Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)


I did not flame, I did not disagree.

If you are not here to add to the discussion, and your comment above seems rather explicit of that. What is your purpose here? You produced a statement that is baiting others. If that is not trolling good sir, what is it then?


It is my honest and straight opinion of this so called movement. I don't agree with it, I don't think it does much good and I have the right to bring up that opinion. :P

I am yet to see anything positive come out of this, I doubt I ever will. Every time I hear about it, it has to do with something stupid people did and made BSN community in general look totally retarded.


I'm going to ask the both of you to stop. This forum was not created to start a flame war, it was created for retakers to reflect on their time with the movement. You are entitled to your opinion of the movement, but I do not wish to see this forum erupt into a flame war. So as the creator of this forum I ask you both sto calm down and end this before it gets out of hand.

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Calling names is not very nice nor is it mature. You may not agree with the movement and that is your right. However, I have not called you any names and I would appreciate it if you would not call me names. Thank you

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Someguyukno wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

BladyMZ wrote...

Imagine it worked. You get your 4GB patch with new endings, Harbinger arrives, talks about cycles and you Paragon him to death . Shepard walks out the Citadel, hugs Liara and everybody smiles. You get blue babies, Garrus surfing, Tali buliding a sweet white home with red doors.

Would that be a victory? Could you lie yourself into thinking it was in the game whole time, it was always your Shepards story?


The amount of plotholes that occur with the current ending are growing every day. I created a thread just today that suggest that if Shepard dies with the destroy ending, Garrus dies as well. Garrus has cybernetics that are keeping him alive as well after he had that close encounter with a rocket in ME2.

If that one doesn't bother you, consider this... the catalyst tells you that the citadel is part of him. Why are the keepers necessary in activating the citadel to allow the reapers to use it as a mass relay? This goes against the plot established in ME1.

Hey they change the ending, like actually rework the ending and play on things that were previously established within the ME universe I will consider it a victory.


****, I hadn't even considered Garrus' cybernetics, like hell am I letting him die! Though apparently according to that unofficial Patrick Weekes interview he said that EDI does survive the blast, which in theory means that the Geth do too. We know Shepard can survive so that also means Garrus survives.

... Stoopid plotholes.


There's more than that. What about biotics, and Quarians who have implants to interface with their suits? if they die, then the geth/quarian conflict would be ENTIRELY POINTLESS!!


Jack, Kaidan, Tali AND Koris vas Quib Quib?! Dammit! Still, we know they survive cos they come out of the Normandy at the end lol.

#143
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Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)


I did not flame, I did not disagree.

If you are not here to add to the discussion, and your comment above seems rather explicit of that. What is your purpose here? You produced a statement that is baiting others. If that is not trolling good sir, what is it then?


It is my honest and straight opinion of this so called movement. I don't agree with it, I don't think it does much good and I have the right to bring up that opinion. :P

I am yet to see anything positive come out of this, I doubt I ever will. Every time I hear about it, it has to do with something stupid people did and made BSN community in general look totally retarded.


You are entitled to that opinion and I am entitled to mine. However, you were clearly baiting. Baiting is like fishing, you put the bait out to get a fish (or in this case a response back) and is a form of trolling

The movement has been civil, there are bad apples and they are not truly representative of the Retake Mass Effect movement. If you would like to see people who are uncivil and would like to debate with them, I would suggest going to facebook and talking to those people who keep trolling every post that the Bioware and Mass Effect pages put up.

Also there is for your enjoyment a report button, which I would like to utilize now.

edit: and I will happily stop posting after this, and honor the OP's request. Just saw that now, after I had typed this out and refreshed the page.

Modifié par Grimskull89, 08 avril 2012 - 02:12 .


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LolaLei wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

BladyMZ wrote...

Imagine it worked. You get your 4GB patch with new endings, Harbinger arrives, talks about cycles and you Paragon him to death . Shepard walks out the Citadel, hugs Liara and everybody smiles. You get blue babies, Garrus surfing, Tali buliding a sweet white home with red doors.

Would that be a victory? Could you lie yourself into thinking it was in the game whole time, it was always your Shepards story?


The amount of plotholes that occur with the current ending are growing every day. I created a thread just today that suggest that if Shepard dies with the destroy ending, Garrus dies as well. Garrus has cybernetics that are keeping him alive as well after he had that close encounter with a rocket in ME2.

If that one doesn't bother you, consider this... the catalyst tells you that the citadel is part of him. Why are the keepers necessary in activating the citadel to allow the reapers to use it as a mass relay? This goes against the plot established in ME1.

Hey they change the ending, like actually rework the ending and play on things that were previously established within the ME universe I will consider it a victory.


****, I hadn't even considered Garrus' cybernetics, like hell am I letting him die! Though apparently according to that unofficial Patrick Weekes interview he said that EDI does survive the blast, which in theory means that the Geth do too. We know Shepard can survive so that also means Garrus survives.

... Stoopid plotholes.


There's more than that. What about biotics, and Quarians who have implants to interface with their suits? if they die, then the geth/quarian conflict would be ENTIRELY POINTLESS!!


Jack, Kaidan, Tali AND Koris vas Quib Quib?! Dammit! Still, we know they survive cos they come out of the Normandy at the end lol.


Like I said, another plot hole to add to the pile. Hopefully they'll be answered in the DLC. Until then, Hold The Line.

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Calling names is not very nice nor is it mature. You may not agree with the movement and that is your right. However, I have not called you any names and I would appreciate it if you would not call me names. Thank you


Thank you for supporting peace and keeping it civil.

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Anytime Someguy. I'm one of those girls who likes to have a calm and civil discussion, It doesn't always end up that way but I do try my best :)

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Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Grimskull89 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lul, proud of all the endless whine, flaming those who disagree and bringing about the most dull, ridiculous and pathetic state this network has ever been in? Oh good job you! Awesum donations as well, I especially liked the part where people asked their donations back.


"You have encounter a random troll"
"What will you do?"
"Hold the line" :)


This is what I mean. Just proves my point, thank you very much. B)


I did not flame, I did not disagree.

If you are not here to add to the discussion, and your comment above seems rather explicit of that. What is your purpose here? You produced a statement that is baiting others. If that is not trolling good sir, what is it then?


It is my honest and straight opinion of this so called movement. I don't agree with it, I don't think it does much good and I have the right to bring up that opinion. :P

I am yet to see anything positive come out of this, I doubt I ever will. Every time I hear about it, it has to do with something stupid people did and made BSN community in general look totally retarded.


You are entitled to that opinion and I am entitled to mine. However, you were clearly baiting. Baiting is like fishing, you put the bait out to get a fish (or in this case a response back) and is a form of trolling

The movement has been civil, there are bad apples and they are not truly representative of the Retake Mass Effect movement. If you would like to see people who are uncivil and would like to debate with them, I would suggest going to facebook and talking to those people who keep trolling every post that the Bioware and Mass Effect pages put up.

Also there is for your enjoyment a report button, which I would like to utilize now.

edit: and I will happily stop posting after this, and honor the OP's request. Just saw that now, after I had typed this out and refreshed the page.


Thank you, and thank you for keeping it civil. I'm glad to see we could resolve that before it got out of hand.

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Anytime Someguy. I'm one of those girls who likes to have a calm and civil discussion, It doesn't always end up that way but I do try my best :)


Good to see people like that who still exist. The movement as a whole has managed to keep itself under control so far (excluding the split over the EC), and I hope we can all do our part to keep it that way.

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Someguyukno wrote...


Thank you, and thank you for keeping it civil. I'm glad to see we could resolve that before it got out of hand.


I had no intent to take it further. Violence hurts peaceful movements... like how the black panthers hurt the freedom movement in the 60s.

Though.. I feel odd comparing the two, as the only similarity is the peaceful part and not nearly as dire.

Modifié par Grimskull89, 08 avril 2012 - 02:24 .


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Grimskull89 wrote...

Someguyukno wrote...


Thank you, and thank you for keeping it civil. I'm glad to see we could resolve that before it got out of hand.


I had no intent to take it further. Violence hurts peaceful movements... like how the black panthers hurt the freedom movement in the 60s.

Though.. I feel odd comparing the two, as the only similarity is the peaceful part and not nearly as dire.


I had faith you didn't intend to. I'm just happy we didn't give them a reason to justify their claims.