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[zennyrpg]

Opsrbest wrote...

I'm tired of reading ridiculous posts about how evil, proud, non-committing, disrespectful, insulting Bioware is while not listening to their fans at every turn, moniker, meme and self indulgent line of thinking that people come up and decide to post on the forums because hey that guy over there will agree with it.

Extended Cut DLC not what you want? Great, do what you all have been threatening to do for the past month and in every thread. You won't pay for a product or support a development studio anymore because you're that hurt, angry, angst-full but you will sit on there forums and openly insult, degrade, attack, troll, insinuate and boast that you know better then people who have been designing games for over 10 years.

Do what you have been claiming you will do for the past month. This isn't facebook. You all want to self fellate each other over who can come up with the most logical reason as to why Bioware needs to do what the fan dumb demands, go do it on face book.

Otherwise stop cluttering up the forums with your prepubescent garbage about how great you all are because you delude yourselves into thinking you constitute over 75% of the total unit's sold for ME3 and that you actually have a valid complaint anymore.

What advice do you have for those of us who are being respectful? Why can't we talk about a game we bought on the forum dedicated to that game? I have made a point of not going into the ends on every thread (or mostly just posting on threads about the ending) because yeah, not everyone agrees. Why are you posting in this thread?

Can't we all agree to disagree? If we are as lame/insignificant as you say, then bioware will pay us no mind. Heck, they might not pay us any mind anyway.

[TheCinC]

I think I have never seen so many people from all over the world come together over something like this. I think that is also deserving of a compliment for the writers of ME3 and everyone who worked on ME1, ME2 and/or ME3. These games are just that good, so good we want ME3 to live up to our expectations of it. We know Bioware can deliver and promises were made, all we ask is that Bioware keeps them.

Unfortunately, many people feel we've lost, because the Extended Cut isn't going to give us any new endings, Bioware has been clear about that. I disagree. I think this is a victory. I think we're halfway there. I think something like the Extended Cut, free new content to address issues raised regarding a computer game is, if not downright unique and unprecedented, then certainly quite rare and the sheer fact that Bioware has announced something like this not only means that they are listening to us, but that they also see that they need to act in order to keep the fans on board and to protect their franchise. Now they are at least working on that. That is a victory, but we've not won outright. We're halfway there, but not quite there yet. Our issues with a lack of closure and an ending that is downright confusing are being addressed, but there's still something lacking. Where's a final bossfight? How is the ending we have now salvagable anyway, even if it is clarified and explained? Many of us feel it isn't. Bioware has to be made to understand that they can't stop at clarifications and explanations. That was only part of the problem. That they haven't decided to give us additional endings doesn't mean they aren't listening, that they don't understand, that they are ignoring us. It just means they don't see the need for that yet. Which is why this is a critical moment.

So, lets be civil, but firm and tell Bioware we appreciate the offer of the Extended Cut, but that we'd rather have the product that they advertised and which we paid for. Let me emphasize this: if we are not civil, threads here will just be lost and people will distance themselves from what we are trying to achieve.As for Bioware creating a proper ending, we know they can do it, all they need to do is admit the ending we have doesn't work and doesn't comply with what we were promised, then for them to incorporate that into the Extended Cut. A mission or two added, some dialogue. But for that to happen, we need to convince them that this is necessary. This is not so much work that it would be impossible or too much to ask for. Unfortunately, that means we have to reject the Extended Cut. It is an olive branch, which we must appreciate, but it falls short of what we want. If we wait for it to come out, this opportunity will pass and we may never get what we want.

I am therefore gathering ideas for how the Extended Cut can be turned into a full expansion which will address all our concerns in a satisfying way and give us an proper ending. Please post in my thread if you agree that the Extended Cut, as announced, falls short of your expections because it won't change the ending or that you fear it will not live up to your previous expectations of ME3. Please also post in this thread if you have suggestions on how to change ending. This will help Bioware show that we appreciate their offer, but that a bit more is needed.

In the mean time, lets keep our hopes up and make our voices heard!

Be civil, but firm!

Never give up, never surrender!

Hold the line!

Modifié par TheCinC, 08 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[RenownedRyan]

I think that we've been ignored at the worst, misunderstood at the best.

Modifié par RenownedRyan, 08 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[txmn1016]

Jagri wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

What exactly positive did you do to be proud of?

hell, Bioware giving two free DLCs out shine anything Retake could have ever done for the community. Before you say you did that, EA along with Capcom have been giving free DLC lately. so I wouldn't boost you did that either. I got free BF3, RE ORC DLC for free just recently,

Reasons to be proud:
1) $80,000 raised in eight days and donated to Child's Play.
2) $4,500 has been raised and donated to Children need to Read.
3) $1,000 raised towards cup cakes fans donated to Bioware and in the end to children.

Impact:
"When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time." EA John Riccitiello

1) A company with this view point is giving away DLC content. If one looks at cause and effect what has changed within the past month for EA to start giving away content? 

Interesting point:
Capcom like EA has also been taking heat for alienating its fans. They have been locking content that exsists on dics and selling it supposely as a DLC. Now I wonder why they are giving away DLC content now. I am sure even a child could connect the dots.

Entirely off topic, is the 80,000 the total sum or does that include all the people that wanted there money back when they found out that the fund wasn't for getting a new ending?

No one has released numbers sadly. I don't think they could under privacy conserns.

I'm not sure that releasing a final number would infringe on anyones' privacy.  In any case, the contact at CP said it had less to do with returned donations and more to do with the crap ton of e-mails they got about it and the difficulties it created with their fundraising policies.  A few people came forward and admitted that they were asking for their donations back (they had good reasons--most felt that the decision of CP to end the charity was wrong for various reasons--to each their own) but I could count the number of people on half a hand.

Modifié par txmn1016, 08 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[txmn1016]

@Oprs

I think the average (after taking out the donations that were over 1K) was around 16 or 17 dollars. However, some were as small as a dollar.

[Athlonis1]

I my opinion what we have done here is unprecedented. We've risen up to challenge a crime against storytelling, and we've done so with a measure of success. However we cannot rest easy. We may have won a battle, but the war still rages on.

Keelah se'lai.
Hold the line.

[Jagri]

Opsrbest wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

@Oprs

I think the average (after taking out the donations that were over 1K) was around 16 or 17 dollars. However, some were as small as a dollar.

Wow ......... thats a very small number of people who actually donated compared to the amount of support that charity was suppose to have.

Kinda dissapointed by that.

It was picking up speed till it was shut down. Sad they would close it down because that number could or may have reached a hundred thousand. Nine days to raise 80k

[Darth Spike]

The movement just needs something to bolster their spirits. We just need one thing to lift our spirits and show us that we are making headway.

[Herr Igor]

When a COMMUNITY MANAGER resorts to ridicule it pretty much shows what the movement has achieved...

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

Modifié par Herr Igor, 08 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[Hajilestone]

We tried and we gained enough notice and publicity to warrant response, but Bioware still refuses to actually address that we want a CHANGED ending not a "clarified" one. If I thought there was any chance they would ever actually listen and do what the fans want I would try to keep the retake movement going for the next couple of years, but I think Bioware has lost touch with its fans and will never realize their mistake. The retake Mass Effect movement is probably that biggest and most civil of any video game movement, but if EA and Bioware refuse to listen, how will we get anywhere? Even if we don't get anywhere, though, I'm still proud to say I was a part of it.

Modifié par Hajilestone, 08 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[Herr Igor]

Opsrbest wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

When a COMMUNITY MANAGER resorts to ridicule it pretty much shows what the movement has achieved...

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

You mean like how the fan base has been for the past month?

Oh thats right, this is the point where you hide behind the "its his job" response.

I say if you can't take dirt, don't deal it. And fyi, good for Chris. With the way the Tweeters attack them, and more specifically Jessica, they deserve every comment they get.

He has no right to ridicule the fans and any other Christians... But I take you're neither!

Modifié par Herr Igor, 08 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[zennyrpg]

Opsrbest wrote...

zennyrpg wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

I'm tired of reading ridiculous posts about how evil, proud, non-committing, disrespectful, insulting Bioware is while not listening to their fans at every turn, moniker, meme and self indulgent line of thinking that people come up and decide to post on the forums because hey that guy over there will agree with it.

Extended Cut DLC not what you want? Great, do what you all have been threatening to do for the past month and in every thread. You won't pay for a product or support a development studio anymore because you're that hurt, angry, angst-full but you will sit on there forums and openly insult, degrade, attack, troll, insinuate and boast that you know better then people who have been designing games for over 10 years.

Do what you have been claiming you will do for the past month. This isn't facebook. You all want to self fellate each other over who can come up with the most logical reason as to why Bioware needs to do what the fan dumb demands, go do it on face book.

Otherwise stop cluttering up the forums with your prepubescent garbage about how great you all are because you delude yourselves into thinking you constitute over 75% of the total unit's sold for ME3 and that you actually have a valid complaint anymore.

What advice do you have for those of us who are being respectful? Why can't we talk about a game we bought on the forum dedicated to that game? I have made a point of not going into the ends on every thread (or mostly just posting on threads about the ending) because yeah, not everyone agrees. Why are you posting in this thread?

Can't we all agree to disagree? If we are as lame/insignificant as you say, then bioware will pay us no mind. Heck, they might not pay us any mind anyway.

I posted becasue the OP asked me too. You can agree or disagree but there really isn't anything to discuss with what I said. So as much as I would like to get into some form of flame troll argument with you I don't really want to.

It is Easter afterall.

There is something to discuss!  Not everyones is terrible and should just go away.  We are trying to be civil- and most people are.  I'm actually not trolling.  But I guess that's hard to see (actually, the problem of telling who is a troll is probably unsolvable).

You many be tired of people who "insult, degrade, attack, troll, insinuate and boast that you
know better then people who have been designing games for over 10 years" but I'm genuinely tired of people implying I have no right to be on the forums complaining about the ending, which is what I read your orginal post as.

[Herr Igor]

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Modifié par Herr Igor, 08 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[die-yng]

Would people just stop pandering to this troll?

Read his posts, he would belittle everything to do with Retake.

Funny how everyone, the public, journalists (including many who are against retake) and even Bioware were impressed with the fact how fast the money was raised...
But indeed, for shame.

[MOELANDER]

Herr Igor, I have a massive effective headache from drinking too much, but as a feller christian I tell you to let Mr. Priestly (odd name for someone with this kinda humor) go. If ye believe in the bible it says to forgive your enemies and let GOD be the judge. Complaining about Mr.Priestly's humor - though inappropriate and hurting - is hurting the christian cause as well as the RetakeME3 cause. Also you're giving him the satisfaction, that he pushed your rage button.

[Bronze65]

Retake started out in glory and in my opinion, ended miserably with the childish actions and comments of a majority of users on this forum.

[Someguyukno]

As much as some people may disagree, it's undeniable that this movement has had an impact. Maybe not the one we all wanted, but an impact for the better. Things could have been a lot worse, but they weren't, because this entire protest comes out of our love for the Mass Effect series and our respect for its creator. No matter who says different, I'm glad I joined the movement, and I'm glad that we all decided to stand together and make our voices heard.

Yes, some fans have gone too far, screaming the retake name as they did so. But they are a minority, the same way that most of the people who don't agree with the movement at least show it some level of respect, while a minority of those choose to attack the retake movement and anyone associated with it. Only a few demanded their money back from the donations, and only one filed a complaint to the FTC. The rest of us have been here, Holding The Line.

I don't know how the Retake movement will end. Maybe with victory, and maybe with our heads hung in defeat. But we are not done yet. I was one of the people who strongly thought the ending was broken and needed to be redone. I still do. But I'm willing to give Bioware a chance with the Extended Cut. I'm not sure how I'll feel, even if it's done perfectly, but hopefully we can all at least find some satisfaction in the way it ends.

But until then, I'll stand with whoever is still here, and we will Hold The Line.

[KingNewbs]

I sure was happy to find out I wasn't the only one who was so very disappointed. Made the sad was easier to bear.