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[Loetek]

Matthew Young CT wrote...

Cite? Georg's hotfix is 50/50 str/dex, so that's likely what will go in the patch.

And I'm not saying dex rogues aren't good, they are, but cun rogues are the DPS dealers. Dex rogues are the never miss/never get hit rogues

I think I was thinking of Shortbows when it comes to the 100% dex thing.

But regardless, after the numbers have been crunched, the only way a Cun Rogue and stand next to a pure dex rogue is if the cunning rogue used the Bard and Duelist specs. But thats without the cunning rogue picking specs.

Now that being said... A Cunning rogue with Bard spec will put out more dps in a Physical attack heavy group because he increases damage output for EVERYONE... Not to mention Bard songs stack.

[Deathstyk85]

Garzog The Smelly wrote...

 So having run through the game once as a PC mage carrying a baggage of bad choices I find myself wanting to play through the game again as a DW rogue.

Now, the problem is that I play on the xbox360 so any hotfix--available to people with a better computer than me--is nowhere to be found.

I'm hesitant to play before the patch because I don't want to feel like I'm missing out on things I should have been enjoying from the start.

I know this is a self-imposed limit that I have burdened myself with, but I might not be alone in this.

So please, Bioware, throw a patch my way so that I can enjoy the game once again!

i always have atleast one rogue in my party, and i played as a rogue once. i didnt notice any big issues with it, infact i kicked gratuitous amounts of ass.

[Vergil_dgk]

actually, I think "dual welding" would be immensly cool!

[AshedMan]

After reading those patch notes, they seem pretty lackluster. Why would you wait to play for a patch like that?

[Loetek]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

actually, I think "dual welding" would be immensly cool!

When i was in the marines i knew a guy that could do that. He was like rain man. Couldn't tie his own boots but he was a welding mofo.

[bill4747bill]

Not saying you are wrong, but why would cunning not help with daggers? seems that you would get more from a small blade than a large one from your 'cleverness'



Seems strange to me.



I would have leaned toward str/dex for 'larger weapons' and dex/cun for 'smaller weapons'



assuming you even limit it to a 50/50 stat mix.

[Loetek]

AshedMan wrote...

After reading those patch notes, they seem pretty lackluster. Why would you wait to play for a patch like that?

What patch notes? The ones for 1.01b? Thats old news and not the patch everyone is waiting for.
Look for patch 1.02

[Loetek]

bill4747bill wrote...

Not saying you are wrong, but why would cunning not help with daggers? seems that you would get more from a small blade than a large one from your 'cleverness'

Seems strange to me.

I would have leaned toward str/dex for 'larger weapons' and dex/cun for 'smaller weapons'

assuming you even limit it to a 50/50 stat mix.

Cunning doesnt help any weapon at all unless you have leathality.

[Matthew Young CT]

Loetek wrote...
I think I was thinking of Shortbows when it comes to the 100% dex thing.

Yeah those might change to 100% dex. Which would help dex rogues of course, could switch and be a pretty solid archer.

But regardless, after the numbers have been crunched, the only way a Cun Rogue and stand next to a pure dex rogue is if the cunning rogue used the Bard and Duelist specs. But thats without the cunning rogue picking specs.

not sure what you mean. dex rogue can never get close to a cun rogue for damage, and it only gets worse with high armor enemies. they have other advantages (not needing any piece of +attack you can get your hands on, hardly ever getting hit, bow switch). cun rogue rules the DPS roost.

[Vergil_dgk]

Loetek wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

actually, I think "dual welding" would be immensly cool!

When i was in the marines i knew a guy that could do that. He was like rain man. Couldn't tie his own boots but he was a welding mofo.

That guy should have his very own video game!

[Loetek]

Matthew Young CT wrote...

Loetek wrote...
I think I was thinking of Shortbows when it comes to the 100% dex thing.

Yeah those might change to 100% dex. Which would help dex rogues of course, could switch and be a pretty solid archer.

But regardless, after the numbers have been crunched, the only way a Cun Rogue and stand next to a pure dex rogue is if the cunning rogue used the Bard and Duelist specs. But thats without the cunning rogue picking specs.

not sure what you mean. dex rogue can never get close to a cun rogue for damage, and it only gets worse with high armor enemies. they have other advantages (not needing any piece of +attack you can get your hands on, hardly ever getting hit, bow switch). cun rogue rules the DPS roost.

Ment for that to be Dex Rogue... Im tired its night night time here.

And as far as Cun ruling the DPS roost. I think there are some assumtions that Dex builds will be losing some stat points to cunning for the cun required talents... Im talking about a pure combat geared Dex Rogue... Post fix.

A cunning build rogue loses damage anytime they have to invest points into dex or strength. And they have to invest points into them areas.

Dex rogues can almost complete the game without putting 1 point in anything but Dex. Which means Higher damage output. Not to mention Duel Wielding daggers are twice as fast as Dueling Long swords and 1.5 times faster than Longsword and dagger. And im pretty sure (not going to look it up because im tired and going to bed after this) daggers have a higher crit rate than other one handers... that might be post fix though.

[Matthew Young CT]

Loetek wrote...
And as far as Cun ruling the DPS roost. I think there are some assumtions that Dex builds will be losing some stat points to cunning for the cun required talents... Im talking about a pure combat geared Dex Rogue... Post fix.

I'm assuming 20str/22cun (for Felon's Coat and stealth I think it is. something needs 22 cun). leaves like 75ish dex? cun rogue still beats it easy.

A cunning build rogue loses damage anytime they have to invest points into dex or strength. And they have to invest points into them areas.

well they don't lose as much from dex, and they only need 20 str. 15 str if you can hold off for the fade.

Dex rogues can almost complete the game without putting 1 point in anything but Dex. Which means Higher damage output. Not to mention Duel Wielding daggers are twice as fast as Dueling Long swords and 1.5 times faster than Longsword and dagger. And im pretty sure (not going to look it up because im tired and going to bed after this) daggers have a higher crit rate than other one handers... that might be post fix though.

cun rogue is also dagger/dagger. full size weapons are blah for rogues. dps is weaker than dag/dag and it means i cant put starfang on alistair

[bill4747bill]

Loetek wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Not saying you are wrong, but why would cunning not help with daggers? seems that you would get more from a small blade than a large one from your 'cleverness'

Seems strange to me.

I would have leaned toward str/dex for 'larger weapons' and dex/cun for 'smaller weapons'

assuming you even limit it to a 50/50 stat mix.

Cunning doesnt help any weapon at all unless you have leathality.

Does cunning help get through armor? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere.

[Garzog The Smelly]

bill4747bill wrote...

Loetek wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Not saying you are wrong, but why would cunning not help with daggers? seems that you would get more from a small blade than a large one from your 'cleverness'

Seems strange to me.

I would have leaned toward str/dex for 'larger weapons' and dex/cun for 'smaller weapons'

assuming you even limit it to a 50/50 stat mix.

Cunning doesnt help any weapon at all unless you have leathality.

Does cunning help get through armor? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere.

I saw that too. I don't think it was that significant, though.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm playing a Rogue without the hotfix now - I just built him in a way such that the bug doesn't matter. Just don't use daggers or shortbows and the problem goes away.

[Bullets McDeath]

Cunning does influence armor penetration, and daggers after the fix will be 50 str/50 dex, as was the original intention. I haven't playtested every build but from the numbers I've crunched, after the fix, cunning rogues should be the highest DPS.

[barry_guy]

Loetek wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...

Loetek wrote...
I think I was thinking of Shortbows when it comes to the 100% dex thing.

Yeah those might change to 100% dex. Which would help dex rogues of course, could switch and be a pretty solid archer.

But regardless, after the numbers have been crunched, the only way a Cun Rogue and stand next to a pure dex rogue is if the cunning rogue used the Bard and Duelist specs. But thats without the cunning rogue picking specs.

not sure what you mean. dex rogue can never get close to a cun rogue for damage, and it only gets worse with high armor enemies. they have other advantages (not needing any piece of +attack you can get your hands on, hardly ever getting hit, bow switch). cun rogue rules the DPS roost.

Ment for that to be Dex Rogue... Im tired its night night time here.

And as far as Cun ruling the DPS roost. I think there are some assumtions that Dex builds will be losing some stat points to cunning for the cun required talents... Im talking about a pure combat geared Dex Rogue... Post fix.

A cunning build rogue loses damage anytime they have to invest points into dex or strength. And they have to invest points into them areas.

Dex rogues can almost complete the game without putting 1 point in anything but Dex. Which means Higher damage output. Not to mention Duel Wielding daggers are twice as fast as Dueling Long swords and 1.5 times faster than Longsword and dagger. And im pretty sure (not going to look it up because im tired and going to bed after this) daggers have a higher crit rate than other one handers... that might be post fix though.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/223777
Good thread to look over concerning the strength, dex or cunning build arguments.

[Loetek]

bill4747bill wrote...

Loetek wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Not saying you are wrong, but why would cunning not help with daggers? seems that you would get more from a small blade than a large one from your 'cleverness'

Seems strange to me.

I would have leaned toward str/dex for 'larger weapons' and dex/cun for 'smaller weapons'

assuming you even limit it to a 50/50 stat mix.

Cunning doesnt help any weapon at all unless you have leathality.

Does cunning help get through armor? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere.

Only with leathality talent

EDIT: Not sure if cunning only adds straight Armor Pen.... Can anyone else varify this? And if so whats the conversion?

Modifié par Loetek, 05 décembre 2009 - 01:46 .

[Loetek]

barry_guy wrote...

Loetek wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...

Loetek wrote...
I think I was thinking of Shortbows when it comes to the 100% dex thing.

Yeah those might change to 100% dex. Which would help dex rogues of course, could switch and be a pretty solid archer.

But regardless, after the numbers have been crunched, the only way a Cun Rogue and stand next to a pure dex rogue is if the cunning rogue used the Bard and Duelist specs. But thats without the cunning rogue picking specs.

not sure what you mean. dex rogue can never get close to a cun rogue for damage, and it only gets worse with high armor enemies. they have other advantages (not needing any piece of +attack you can get your hands on, hardly ever getting hit, bow switch). cun rogue rules the DPS roost.

Ment for that to be Dex Rogue... Im tired its night night time here.

And as far as Cun ruling the DPS roost. I think there are some assumtions that Dex builds will be losing some stat points to cunning for the cun required talents... Im talking about a pure combat geared Dex Rogue... Post fix.

A cunning build rogue loses damage anytime they have to invest points into dex or strength. And they have to invest points into them areas.

Dex rogues can almost complete the game without putting 1 point in anything but Dex. Which means Higher damage output. Not to mention Duel Wielding daggers are twice as fast as Dueling Long swords and 1.5 times faster than Longsword and dagger. And im pretty sure (not going to look it up because im tired and going to bed after this) daggers have a higher crit rate than other one handers... that might be post fix though.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/223777
Good thread to look over concerning the strength, dex or cunning build arguments.

I have read this before. And I think this is before the dex fix. Because after dex fix there is no way a pure dex rogue would be lowest on the dps chart.

[Unseen_77]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I'm playing a Rogue without the hotfix now - I just built him in a way such that the bug doesn't matter. Just don't use daggers or shortbows and the problem goes away.

What if I would like to have a dagger rogue the way it was more intended?  A rogue duel wielding long swords is just realy stupid IMO,

[unroguelike]

Loetek wrote...

barry_guy wrote...

http://social.biowar...66/index/223777
Good thread to look over concerning the strength, dex or cunning build arguments.

I have read this before. And I think this is before the dex fix. Because after dex fix there is no way a pure dex rogue would be lowest on the dps chart.

The author of that thread clearly stated this:

"PLATFORM: all of my analysis assumes PC version 1.01 with the dex hotfix."

[Loetek]

Modifié par Loetek, 05 décembre 2009 - 06:48 .

[Gliese]

Yes cunning gives AP, no talents needed.

Look up your ingame character screen.

Modifié par Gliese, 05 décembre 2009 - 08:01 .

[Trajan60]

It's ridiculous this patch is taking so long.

[flamingdts]

Gliese wrote...

Yes cunning gives AP, no talents needed.

Look up your ingame character screen.

You are so wrong.