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[VanishedFaces]

John Epler wrote...

I'm just going to re-post what I posted in your other topic:

No, we're not going to let you decide the sexual orientation of your party members. The PC? Sure, knock yourself out - after all, it's -your- character, and whatever sexual orientation you want to make them is entirely your choice. Party members, though? Nope. Giving those who are uncomfortable with same-sex romances and relationships the tools to avoid them is not something we're going to do, as doing to suggests that there's something there for people to 'protect' themselves from, which we aren't going to validate.

I'm sorry that same-sex romance makes you uncomfortable, but welcome to the world. End of the day, regardless of someone's sexual orientation, we're all people, worth the same respect and dignity, and we're not going to help anyone draw that line in the sand. Full stop.

And this is why I love Bioware

[BillsVengenace]

John Epler wrote...

I'm just going to re-post what I posted in your other topic:

No, we're not going to let you decide the sexual orientation of your party members. The PC? Sure, knock yourself out - after all, it's -your- character, and whatever sexual orientation you want to make them is entirely your choice. Party members, though? Nope. Giving those who are uncomfortable with same-sex romances and relationships the tools to avoid them is not something we're going to do, as doing to suggests that there's something there for people to 'protect' themselves from, which we aren't going to validate.

I'm sorry that same-sex romance makes you uncomfortable, but welcome to the world. End of the day, regardless of someone's sexual orientation, we're all people, worth the same respect and dignity, and we're not going to help anyone draw that line in the sand. Full stop.

I bet if that sexual orientation was pedosexual you'd be singing a different tune. 

[Maria Caliban]

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

[Demx]

Everyone will be Bisexual and you will never romance a female dwarf.

[BillsVengenace]

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

[Dutchess]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

I don't think you should label pedosexuality a sexual orientation, just like homosexuality... A pedosexual is mentally ill. You can't say the same of a the average homosexual. Sounds pretty offending.

[David Gaider]

Just to add to what John said;

We do not and never have allowed the player to customize the content they're exposed to-- potentially objectionable or otherwise. The ratings advisories are there for a reason. If this is content that a player sees now more than they once did, that's just a sign of the times and not part of any agenda. Expect to see more of it, from BioWare as well as other companies.

[BillsVengenace]

renjility wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

I don't think you should label pedosexuality a sexual orientation, just like homosexuality... A pedosexual is mentally ill. You can't say the same of a the average homosexual. Sounds pretty offending.

You don't seriously think pedosexuals wake up one day and say "I think I'll be attracted to kids.  That would be dandy." ??? 

[TheKristoffski]

I swear the law of sexuality in the dragon age universe was declared from the very start of the franchise, Zevran clearly stated homosexual relationships, hell the warden can be gay, straight or bi depending on your personal playthrough, all your romance options being bisexual? not say, i play as a male hawke but naturally through all my playthroughs see isabella as a lesbiain/ bi curious just for the sake of it, so short answer no you cant show any negative reviews on sexuality on this game, as it was clearly stated from the start, + you should of done your research before buying the game,

[Who is that Masked Man]

I didn't bring up child abuse, I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.

Except that homosexuality involves sex between consenting adults.

Whereas pedophilia involves... well, child abuse.

So, no, homosexuality really isn't "just like" pedophilia. And, yes, equating the two is highly offensive.

[David Gaider]

BillsVengenace wrote...
You don't seriously think pedosexuals wake up one day and say "I think I'll be attracted to kids.  That would be dandy." ???

It's a disingenuous argument, and one often cited by those campaigning against gay relationships-- attempting to compare them to pedophilia, bestiality or... I don't know. Marrying a building. The difference is that one involves a consenting relationship between adults and the others do not. That kind of spurious logic is not going to fly here, so please don't propogate it.

[upsettingshorts]

Tonight on False Equivalency Theater!

BillsVengenace wrote...

I bet if that sexual orientation was pedosexual you'd be singing a different tune. 

BillsVengenace equates pedophilia with homosexuality between consenting adults.

In this week's episode a poster reaches into his inventory of banal arguments to build a strawman out of a false equivalence in order to imply a slippery slope where none exists.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 avril 2012 - 11:16 .

[Satyricon331]

BillsVengenace wrote...
I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

Not according to the American Psychological Association.

[TheKristoffski]

renjility wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

I don't think you should label pedosexuality a sexual orientation, just like homosexuality... A pedosexual is mentally ill. You can't say the same of a the average homosexual. Sounds pretty offending.

Sex in general is fine as long as there are 2 or more (if you like that kinda thing) consenting ADULTS, in the sexual encounter, homosexual, and heterosexual encounters (so long as the members have eachother's consent and are the age of which they can give their consent) has no negative outcomes, pedophillia, involves a child, a child whom is not an adult cannot legally give their consent into a sexual encounter, plus they are not emotionally nor physically ready for such an encounter, so labeling pedophillia the same as homosexuaity just makes no sense, as homosexuality is virtually the same as heterosexuality, the only differnence is kinda obvious, hope that clears things up for uneducated people thinking homosexuality should be classed among things like pedosexuality

[BillsVengenace]

David Gaider wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...
You don't seriously think pedosexuals wake up one day and say "I think I'll be attracted to kids.  That would be dandy." ???

It's a disingenuous argument, and one often cited by those campaigning against gay relationships-- attempting to compare them to pedophilia, bestiality or... I don't know. Marrying a building. The difference is that one involves a consenting relationship between adults and the others do not. That kind of spurious logic is not going to fly here, so please don't propogate it.

I'm not against gay relationships.  

My argument was about this: 

Giving those who are uncomfortable with same-sex romances and relationships the tools to avoid them is not something we're going to do, as doing to suggests that there's something there for people to 'protect' themselves from, which we aren't going to validate.

I'm sorry that same-sex romance makes you uncomfortable, but welcome to the world. End of the day, regardless of someone's sexual orientation, we're all people, worth the same respect and dignity, and we're not going to help anyone draw that line in the sand. Full stop. 

Let's face it, 1) BioWare are never going to make a sympathic or objective view of a pedosexual. 
                       2) If you did I doubt anyone would say that if it made the viewer uncomfortable that they shouldn't                                      be able protect themselves from it or "welcome to the world."

[BillsVengenace]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Tonight on False Equivalency Theater!

BillsVengenace wrote...

I bet if that sexual orientation was pedosexual you'd be singing a different tune. 

BillsVengenace equates pedophilia with homosexuality between consenting adults.

In this week's episode a poster reaches into his inventory of banal arguments to build a strawman out of a false equivalence in order to imply a slippery slope where none exists.  

No I didn't.  I didn't mention pedophilic behavior once. 

[Satyricon331]

I think someone's trolling for a ban. You have no evidence such a sexual orientation even exists. It's just a euphemism for a form of child abuse.

[BillsVengenace]

KristoffMcguffinSmuck wrote...

renjility wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

I don't think you should label pedosexuality a sexual orientation, just like homosexuality... A pedosexual is mentally ill. You can't say the same of a the average homosexual. Sounds pretty offending.

Sex in general is fine as long as there are 2 or more (if you like that kinda thing) consenting ADULTS, in the sexual encounter, homosexual, and heterosexual encounters (so long as the members have eachother's consent and are the age of which they can give their consent) has no negative outcomes, pedophillia, involves a child, a child whom is not an adult cannot legally give their consent into a sexual encounter, plus they are not emotionally nor physically ready for such an encounter, so labeling pedophillia the same as homosexuaity just makes no sense, as homosexuality is virtually the same as heterosexuality, the only differnence is kinda obvious, hope that clears things up for uneducated people thinking homosexuality should be classed among things like pedosexuality

At no point am I suggesting that pedophilic behavior is anything but wrong.  (Although I am opposed to the current media and social witchhunt that pedosexuals are evil demonic monsters.  It's not their fault and they need help and a bit of human sympathy.)

And just to clear it up pedosexuality is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality too.  I thought people here would be perceptive enough to link hetrosexuality too.

The point is not whether something is right or wrong, the point is that really not all sexual orientations are going to be treated equally, not really. 

[Foxbat Killer]

John Epler wrote...

I'm just going to re-post what I posted in your other topic:

No, we're not going to let you decide the sexual orientation of your party members. The PC? Sure, knock yourself out - after all, it's -your- character, and whatever sexual orientation you want to make them is entirely your choice. Party members, though? Nope. Giving those who are uncomfortable with same-sex romances and relationships the tools to avoid them is not something we're going to do, as doing to suggests that there's something there for people to 'protect' themselves from, which we aren't going to validate.

I'm sorry that same-sex romance makes you uncomfortable, but welcome to the world. End of the day, regardless of someone's sexual orientation, we're all people, worth the same respect and dignity, and we're not going to help anyone draw that line in the sand. Full stop.

Agreed.  Party members' sexuality should not be customizable, which is also why they should not ALL be bisexual.  By making all characters bisexual you are essentially making their sexuality customizable.

[BillsVengenace]

Satyricon331 wrote...

I think someone's trolling for a ban. You have no evidence such a sexual orientation even exists. It's just a euphemism for a form of child abuse.

Not all pedosexuals act on their impulses.  Just because you're a pedosexual does not mean you are a child abuser. But clear about this.  

[Mmw04014]

BillsVengenace wrote...

KristoffMcguffinSmuck wrote...

renjility wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one is talking about child abuse. Why do some people always bring it up when talking about same-sex romance?

I didn't bring up child abuse,  I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

I don't think you should label pedosexuality a sexual orientation, just like homosexuality... A pedosexual is mentally ill. You can't say the same of a the average homosexual. Sounds pretty offending.

Sex in general is fine as long as there are 2 or more (if you like that kinda thing) consenting ADULTS, in the sexual encounter, homosexual, and heterosexual encounters (so long as the members have eachother's consent and are the age of which they can give their consent) has no negative outcomes, pedophillia, involves a child, a child whom is not an adult cannot legally give their consent into a sexual encounter, plus they are not emotionally nor physically ready for such an encounter, so labeling pedophillia the same as homosexuaity just makes no sense, as homosexuality is virtually the same as heterosexuality, the only differnence is kinda obvious, hope that clears things up for uneducated people thinking homosexuality should be classed among things like pedosexuality

At no point am I suggesting that pedophilic behavior is anything but wrong.  (Although I am opposed to the current media and social witchhunt that pedosexuals are evil demonic monsters.  It's not their fault and they need help and a bit of human sympathy.)

And just to clear it up pedosexuality is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality too.  I thought people here would be perceptive enough to link hetrosexuality too.

The point is not whether something is right or wrong, the point is that really not all sexual orientations are going to be treated equally, not really. 

You are arguing on the basis that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Your premise is wrong so whatever argument you are making is wrong as well.

On topic: I'm glad that Bioware isn't going to put that kind of information up to the player. These are their characters and I want them to be defined across all games.

[Pasquale1234]

BillsVengenace wrote...
I brought up pedosexuality which is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality.  

If that were true, then this would be equally true:

Pedosexuality is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality.

But pedosexuality is a fairly new term, certainly not an adult sexual orientation recognized by any authoritative organization.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

If that were true, then this would be equally true:

Pedosexuality is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality.

But pedosexuality is a fairly new term, certainly not an adult sexual orientation recognized by any authoritative organization.

He's trolling for a ban. I suggest we let a mod oblige him. Sooner rather than later, hopefully.

[akashacatbat]

In DA III, are you planning on having all LIs be bisexual, or is it going to be more like DAO?

I guess my preference would be more like DAO, where you have some straight, and some bi, and hopefully a couple of strictly gay options. I know resources are limited and all, so I completely understand if that is not feasible.

[Maria Caliban]

Siradix wrote...

Everyone will be Bisexual and you will never romance a female dwarf.

I never thought a female dwarf would appeal to me, but then I saw aimo's Lady Aeducan.

David Gaider wrote...
Marrying a building.

I never thought a building would appeal to me, but then I saw the Dubai Wind Towers. (Still under construction)

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 avril 2012 - 02:09 .