Because when they do attempt to converse with us they get slammed by hatemongers who constantly harp on the same goddamn thing. I just read the one thread regarding fixes included in the upcoming patch and sure enough people still b*tching and complaining for the sake of b*tching and complaining about how Bioware isn't doing anything. In all seriousness some people on these threads just need to put the game down and go outside. Some of the arguments I've been reading are beginning to get out of hand and are also giving credit to the title of "whiny little brats".
Why do ME devs never talk to us?
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 07:35
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I am an average gamer and i am retake. What about those like me.bigbade wrote...
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Because the rhetoric on here is so skewed to the extremes of fanboy/girl, haters, and trolls. Plus internet forums overrepresent hardcore gamers & pc gamers, when the money is in casual gamers and console gamers.
As ridiculous, illogical. and terrible as the endings are, the average casual gamer is not that invested in the series to see all the ways the ending falls on its face. The majority of people are just unsatisfied at its abruptness, and will be perfectly happy with a more clear explanation of how this turd smells.
for money, yeah it's clear EA banks on casual gamers to rack up the sales but at the end of the day there's a small group of fans this game is made for, the guys who show up at PAX in krogan outfits etc...
Plus it's worth nothing that ME2's stats show that 50% of players who bought the game never finished. I would bump that up with ME3 a little, but it's still half of those sales down the drain regarding input on the ending, that's why those claiming 'vocal minority' as a defense / attack on Retake etc... isn't the best one to use.
Also, it is correct to say that the true majority of people do not care about this, but of the 2 groups that truly count the ones who want the ending changed are the majority.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 07:43
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By casual, I mean the people who aren't bioware/RPG fans in the first place. The millions of sales don't come from diehard sci-fi rpg bioware EA fans, they come from publicity. "Hey that looks cool, I'll buy it". You have probably (hopefully 
) played all 3 games, many of those millions have not even played the past two before picking up #3.
Yeah, but they did that in ME3 with the gameplay which, imo, was spot on. Now however their concern isn't the game ending up on used shelves, it's the game not even getting off the new shelves and the only way Bioware can really address a problem of people not playing their games all the way through is by making the next one better. Post-release, they're not going to re-invent their game to please more people. I.E DA2.
) played all 3 games, many of those millions have not even played the past two before picking up #3.EHondaMashButton said...
I see the same data and reach the opposite conclusion.
If half the people who play my game don't keep it long enough to reach the ending, I'd be more worried about fixing that so the game doesn't end up on used shelves. The hardcore fans are gonna buy it no matter what, and they're gonna have extreme complaints no matter what. But nowadays the hardcore need to be appeased so they don't tank the sh#$% out of your reviews.
Yeah, but they did that in ME3 with the gameplay which, imo, was spot on. Now however their concern isn't the game ending up on used shelves, it's the game not even getting off the new shelves and the only way Bioware can really address a problem of people not playing their games all the way through is by making the next one better. Post-release, they're not going to re-invent their game to please more people. I.E DA2.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 07:49
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They don't talk to us because they're cultivating their artistic integrity, that rare orchid of self-congratulation that gives them such fulfillment, and adds suck factor to their games for those of us who actually buy and play those games. But hey, our displeasure is a small price to pay for these strangers to have their satisfaction, isn't it?
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I got it because the guy at the store, and my friends recommended it, and i was all out of games to play that did not seem old to me, not because of the commercials or ads.bigbade wrote...
By casual, I mean the people who aren't bioware/RPG fans in the first place. The millions of sales don't come from diehard sci-fi rpg bioware EA fans, they come from publicity. "Hey that looks cool, I'll buy it". You have probably (hopefully
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Commercials and ads are just annoying and i do not trust them because they often bend the truth or downright lie, and in the case of ME3 they did lie.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 07:53
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well maybe for you, but commercials and reviews work for a lot of people. I bought sins of a solar empire yesterday because I wanted a space strategy game and the reviews were good, period. I don't regret the choice, but I've made other decisions in the exact same manner and have regretted them. .
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 07:57
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It's not part of their job to post here; its something they do for fun, if at all. I'd posit that the reason they don't in fact do so is because this place is awful, there's a reason the forum is known as the sociopathy network
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 07:57
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theories continued
4) they are shy
5) they are worried that they might accidently reveal something they are not yet allowed to putting their career in jeopardy
6) they are hoping that the extended ending dlc will calm people down
4) they are shy
5) they are worried that they might accidently reveal something they are not yet allowed to putting their career in jeopardy
6) they are hoping that the extended ending dlc will calm people down
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:01
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Because they read the BSN and know how retarded 75% of this place can be when we get information. Remember how we thought they hated Liara because of how she as on Illium? good times.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:02
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Exactly what I was thinking. I love BSN, clone of 4chan. xDTigerman123 wrote...
It's not part of their job to post here; its something they do for fun, if at all. I'd posit that the reason they don't in fact do so is because this place is awful, there's a reason the forum is known as the sociopathy network
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:03
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:08
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I wonder, why all this speculation?
Doesn't anyone of you work at a company? What would your employers do if you hit the web and engage in discussions about your latest product or any internals for that matter? Would they be pleased or would there be just the tiniest chance of you getting fired?
So, again, it's not because this place is full of evil people who have no understandings for the hardships of a work environment, it's just business. They simply aren't our buddies coming over for beer and barbecue, they're employees of a million dollar company.
Doesn't anyone of you work at a company? What would your employers do if you hit the web and engage in discussions about your latest product or any internals for that matter? Would they be pleased or would there be just the tiniest chance of you getting fired?
So, again, it's not because this place is full of evil people who have no understandings for the hardships of a work environment, it's just business. They simply aren't our buddies coming over for beer and barbecue, they're employees of a million dollar company.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:18
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When they speak, I will be polite and civil. If they continue to refuse, they deserve whatever negative opinions I have of them.
This.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:20
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Then their method of doing business is a very poor practice and they should not be surprised if it eventually runs their company into the ground. They are ignoring their customers and, when they do pay attention to them, they condescend and insult them and then get all defensive and act the victim when people get pissed about it and call them out on their bull****.abaris wrote...
I wonder, why all this speculation?
Doesn't anyone of you work at a company? What would your employers do if you hit the web and engage in discussions about your latest product or any internals for that matter? Would they be pleased or would there be just the tiniest chance of you getting fired?
So, again, it's not because this place is full of evil people who have no understandings for the hardships of a work environment, it's just business. They simply aren't our buddies coming over for beer and barbecue, they're employees of a million dollar company.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:22
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Cause they really dont care. They say they listen.... lol... then they come out with a "Ill do whatever i want" DLC that does not seem to adress any of the problems people are commenting in the forums.
Furthermore, remembering all the "misleading statements" (to put it softly) they issued before the game went gold, id rather they keep it like this and avoid embarrasing themselves even more.
Furthermore, remembering all the "misleading statements" (to put it softly) they issued before the game went gold, id rather they keep it like this and avoid embarrasing themselves even more.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:23
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aLucidMind wrote...
Then their method of doing business is a very poor practice and they should not be surprised if it eventually runs their company into the ground. They are ignoring their customers and, when they do pay attention to them, they condescend and insult them and then get all defensive and act the victim when people get pissed about it and call them out on their bull****.abaris wrote...
I wonder, why all this speculation?
Doesn't anyone of you work at a company? What would your employers do if you hit the web and engage in discussions about your latest product or any internals for that matter? Would they be pleased or would there be just the tiniest chance of you getting fired?
So, again, it's not because this place is full of evil people who have no understandings for the hardships of a work environment, it's just business. They simply aren't our buddies coming over for beer and barbecue, they're employees of a million dollar company.
Yeah but in all fariness those people put out their own share of hate and bull**** so can't really blame them for not comming here often
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:24
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aLucidMind wrote...
Then their method of doing business is a very poor practice and they should not be surprised if it eventually runs their company into the ground. They are ignoring their customers and, when they do pay attention to them, they condescend and insult them and then get all defensive and act the victim when people get pissed about it and call them out on their bull****.
Well, blame corporate policy, not the individual.
I ask again, who can say, he or she is free to engage in discussions about their workplace or company internals? On the internet, no less.
It's usual procedure and whilst I loath the empty PR gibberish we're fed, I know that nothing else is to be expected. I'd only wish, people would stop speculating about seemingly authentic statements that are as clear as the Oracle of Delphi. They're not meant to be understood. Such is the dubious art of PR.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:25
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Maybe how we can act sometimes.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:26
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Maybe they should get some PR team to actually talk to people then, instead of bashing their own dev for providing "half truths and inaccuracies" while they do exactly the same since the game release?abaris wrote...
I wonder, why all this speculation?
Doesn't anyone of you work at a company? What would your employers do if you hit the web and engage in discussions about your latest product or any internals for that matter? Would they be pleased or would there be just the tiniest chance of you getting fired?
So, again, it's not because this place is full of evil people who have no understandings for the hardships of a work environment, it's just business. They simply aren't our buddies coming over for beer and barbecue, they're employees of a million dollar company.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:28
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natie wrote...
Maybe they should get some PR team to actually talk to people then, instead of bashing their own dev for providing "half truths an inaccuracies" while they do exactly the same since the game release?
That is PR.
They're trying to make you believe they're more credible than the whistleblower.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:32
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I don't know.I can't speak for them. But they might be doing either one or all of the following:
1) Taking a vacation from working all those hours on ME3.
2) Waiting until people are done venting the brunt of their anger so they don't get attacked by pissed off fans. ( I don't blame 'em but it does make them look like they're uncaring in the process.)
3) They're working on the extended cut DLC.
4) Waiting until some of the developers are done going to meetings and expo's so they can take a break, respond on the forums, and get back to work on the DLC.
1) Taking a vacation from working all those hours on ME3.
2) Waiting until people are done venting the brunt of their anger so they don't get attacked by pissed off fans. ( I don't blame 'em but it does make them look like they're uncaring in the process.)
3) They're working on the extended cut DLC.
4) Waiting until some of the developers are done going to meetings and expo's so they can take a break, respond on the forums, and get back to work on the DLC.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:32
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I blame BioWare when it comes to the PR, but when it comes to just talking to us like people then I blame both the company and those refusing to talk. When it comes to the ending, I blame Walters and Hudson as opposed to BioWare as a whole because that is where the blame ought to be directed.abaris wrote...
aLucidMind wrote...
Then their method of doing business is a very poor practice and they should not be surprised if it eventually runs their company into the ground. They are ignoring their customers and, when they do pay attention to them, they condescend and insult them and then get all defensive and act the victim when people get pissed about it and call them out on their bull****.
Well, blame corporate policy, not the individual.
I ask again, who can say, he or she is free to engage in discussions about their workplace or company internals? On the internet, no less.
It's usual procedure and whilst I loath the empty PR gibberish we're fed, I know that nothing else is to be expected. I'd only wish, people would stop speculating about seemingly authentic statements that are as clear as the Oracle of Delphi. They're not meant to be understood. Such is the dubious art of PR.
Also, it is not against any company policy to sit there and just condescend your customers when they have a complaint instead of simply being a person. They have said we're listening but have always left it at that; simply adding an "unfortunately, however, I cannot say more than that about the subject at this time" would be fine and understandable. But instead, they just say "We're listening" followed by "We have artistic integrity, you're just too stupid to understand" (despite the fact that BioWare, as a for-profit corporation, never had and never will have artistic integrity).
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:33
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here is what the DLC is to most of the people who are unsatisfied with it.
http://social.biowar...13/blog/212415/
http://social.biowar...13/blog/212415/
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:34
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Gaider was pretty active in the forums during and after DA2s development and he made bioware look like a bunch of ****s. It's probably better for them that they don't post much here.
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Posté 08 avril 2012 - 08:38
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I hope it's because they realized they effed up and are ashamed.
