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[abaris]

aLucidMind wrote...

They have said we're listening but have always left it at that; simply adding an "unfortunately, however, I cannot say more than that about the subject at this time" would be fine and understandable. But instead, they just say "We're listening" followed by "We have artistic integrity, you're just too stupid to understand" (despite the fact that BioWare, as a for-profit corporation, never had and never will have artistic integrity).

Well, that's PR speak at it's finest.

All these "we are listening", "artistic integrity" is obviously cooked up in the particular departments. And it's absolutely what was to be expected.

There will be noone rising and saying "unfortunately" (which in itself is a bad word and not to be used in damage control) - and it's not as if this would satisfy everyone. More questions would follow and these questions won't be answered.

There has been a very good post about the secrets of PR in the spoiler board. That guy writing it had rightly predicted every step on the line. Whilst I'm in the same business, he's got the advantage of being an english native, so his explanations are probably better.

[Thetri]

Maybe they are busy fixing the problems with ME3?

[Arik7]

bigbade wrote...
Why do ME devs never talk to us? 

"Artistic integrity".

[Chuvvy]

Bioware can't into PR. Honestly, I can't think of how they could have handled the situation worse. They rarely said anything, and when they did, they were condescending towards disappointed fans, while also giving themselves a handy.

Thetri wrote...

Maybe they are busy fixing the problems with ME3?

You funny guy. 

Modifié par Slidell505, 08 avril 2012 - 08:56 .

[natie]

abaris wrote...

natie wrote...

Maybe they should get some PR team to actually talk to people then, instead of bashing their own dev for providing "half truths an inaccuracies" while they do exactly the same since the game release?

That is PR.

They're trying to make you believe they're more credible than the whistleblower.

Apparently they failed, she just deleted that tweet as she got bombarded with support for Weekes

[Siansonea]

slyguy200 wrote...

^
Ah yes, "artistic integrity" we have dismissed that claim.

Not to mention, somebody else can sponsor their "artistic integrity", if this is the result. As far as I'm concerned, the creative decisions made on this game that have resulted in this backlash ought to be a wake up call. It ought to clue some folks into the fact that perhaps their unadulterated artistic vision isn't as valuable as they might think. Some male egos might have to step out of the way in this scenario, but it's a valuable lesson just begging to be learned.

[shepskisaac]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Because when they do, people here rip them apart. It's quite rude and sad.

Exactly. Vulgar, personal insults included unfortunately. The fans only have themselves to blame. If they reacted when some people start mindlessly hating on particular devs and going in with personal insults, it may have been different, but instead they pat each other on the back and say "Yeah! You told them! nothing but true! We see it all!"

Modifié par IsaacShep, 08 avril 2012 - 09:11 .

[Amioran]

bigbade wrote...
1) It's a twisting of words in a very vague statement that ultimately didn't say much of anything.

What's vague on one that says "fans are almost co-authors now"? It is just a matter of saying, as a singer can say "my fans are what make me write what I do". Both are statements of gratitude, not certainly of a literal right to autorship.

bigbade wrote...
That's why it's so easy to twist

????

You can twist the meaning only if A) you have an IQ of an aomeba, you do it willingly to have a point on pretending a change in their work (as the guy is doing). There's no other way around.

bigbade wrote...
if Casey Hudson had come out and said "we're scrapping starchild" there is no other way to interpret that.
Still, intelligent-based elitism will never get you anywhere because it's a direct attack on people. Even if you don't have to take them seriously, you want their money and by calling them a simpleton you won't be getting it 

????

Actually that sentence was said even before ME3 came out, so I don't have any idea of what you are talking about here.

bigbade wrote...
2) No, I can't expect the devs to do that. But I'm not asking them to do that, there are at LEAST 3-5 good threads on a page at any given time, a dev can drop in at any interval and find something worth posting in. It would give a sense of actual interaction instead of "we are listening"

Again, it would serve nothing. If you try to put a drop a of water in the fire it doesn't make any difference at all on just simply doing nothing at all, and on the contrary it can either result in a worse result given the oxygen contained in it. In this case, non methaphorically speaking, it would just arise flaming either more, given the majority of the audience's mindset.

bigbade wrote...
3) They won't be wrong because they're the only ones who know what's right and wrong in it. People will disagree and, worst case scenario, insults will fly but when the dust settles they're the ones with the dev tools.

The dust never settles when the wind is at 200 mhp/h.  

Modifié par Amioran, 08 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[kbct]

IsaacShep wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Because when they do, people here rip them apart. It's quite rude and sad.

Exactly. Vulgar, personal insults included unfortunately. The fans only have themselves to blame. If they reacted when some people start mindlessly hating on particular devs and going in with personal insults, it may have been different, but instead they pat each other on the back and say "Yeah! You told them! nothing but true! We see it all!"

Maybe they have had a gag-order in place for the last month. When a company is in damage control, it's not wise to allow employees to have loose lips.

[shepskisaac]

aLucidMind wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Because when they do, people here rip them apart. It's quite rude and sad.

Exactly. Vulgar, personal insults included unfortunately. The fans only have themselves to blame. If they reacted when some people start mindlessly hating on particular devs and going in with personal insults, it may have been different, but instead they pat each other on the back and say "Yeah! You told them! nothing but true! We see it all!"

Maybe if they would actually explain themselves instead of doing the same thing some of the idiots frequenting this board do (saying one thing then resorting to condescension when asked to elaborate), then maybe there would be less resentment towards them. It really is not hard to go "this is my opinion/thoughts and here is why I think that" as opposed to going "trollololol we r listening, u r 2 dum 2 understand n-e-thing".

Just saying "we are listening" over and over with nothing else will ****** people off, especially when their questions are being completely ignored.

Ohh look. Another fan justifies personal insults and ripping every word they say. "It's totally ok to call them talentless hacks and **** and *** because marketing lied about this and that". Keep up the attitude, it will "surely" help a tons

[Amioran]

bigbade wrote...
3) yeap, and it's why if anything bioware devs should read the BIG threads, the ones we know are legitimately constructive (i.e the ones with links to a bunch of articles, indoc theory [if anything for the read], etc..). If a thread is asking questions about Mass Effect lore the title should be self-evident and there is no reason not to click on it, unless it's a trap. 

But also those posts are full of trolls. Refer to my example of talking in a club with the music at 200 decibel. A constructive discussion will be simply impossible. Maybe you could get 1/2 topics out of it and then all becomes chaos.

If you have to do a thing it's better to wait when you can do it well. In the above methaphor, better to wait to exit the club then talk instead of being impatient and trying doing it the same with the only result of probably being misunderstood 50% of the time. 

[AJRimmsey]

one thing this thread did right was get the forum trolls to come out from under the bridge again.

at least the OP can no longer be mystified as to why devs dont post on forums

[HTTP 404]

If I was a dev, I would never talk to us. haha

[Solmanian]

Bioawre has mods to check the pulse of the fans. I prefer the the devs spend their times actually developing the games I like. Not that I don't value their opinions when they drop by.

[Drone223]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Because when they do, people here rip them apart. It's quite rude and sad.

^This