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[Adanu]

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You think I actually want to bother 'disproving' what what of you people say when you're just going to ignore it like the rest of the idiot retaker movement does?

Nah, I just let the qoutes speak for themselves how deluded you people are.

Right, "I don't need to provide proof, you're stupid" is certainly a valid argument. I've been here since the beginning and have yet to see one person provide proof as to how the retakers' claims that the devs lied is false. Unless you have proof that they're wrong, how about staying quiet since you cannot make a proper argument without evidence to support your claim.

And since when did that logic ever stop retakers from being idiots here?

No, If the retaker movement is allowed to troll this forum and stomp their feet like entitled brats, I'm allowed to call it out and show their delusions.

You want respect? First you gotta show some. As it is, the last few days have proven ot me that there are only a few decent retaker types around, and you 'liar' types are even worse because you take a blatantly wrong interpretation of what the devs said and make it as fact.

So yes, **** you too.

Here is the difference: there are several threads with every bit of proof referenced and cited in each of the OP. When confronted, some go back and cite one of those threads or the interview itself that they feel shows they are correct. You, however, are refusing to show any proof that your stance is correct and that the retakers are "delusional idiots". Yes, some may be idiots but there are many who actually know what they hell they're talking about and provide proof to back their claims and arguments.

And considering some of what the devs said were correctly taken as literal interpretations ("No A, B, or C ending"- Casey Hudson), they did lie. Just because you do not want to use the correct definition of a lie does not make it so. So, if some of what they were saying were not lies of some sort then do explain exactly what they were because a lot of what they said were certainly false or misleading at the very best.

So, like I said, provide the proof that the retakers are wrong that nobody has provided or stay quiet when it comes to the claim that the devs lied. And do not get me wrong, I call out several retakers when they make the whole "I don't need to provide proof, you're stupid" argument or are just flat out bull****ting.

The devs haven't lied at all, people just took their words to mean one thing when they meant another. That isn't the fault of the devs. People are expecting perfection on this forum. It doesn't work that way.

Your 'facts' are opinions, nothing more.

[Psychlonus]

Rickin10 wrote...

An inevitable consequence of success. You get more money, bigger ego, you lose sight of why made you great in the first place. The gap between you and your fans grows. Happens in all aspects of life.

Also, I'm sure EA has them all on strict contracts that state, no fraternization with the plebs.

Supposedly Bioware is listening to the fans all the time over at TOR MMO.

[AJRimmsey]

Adanu wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You think I actually want to bother 'disproving' what what of you people say when you're just going to ignore it like the rest of the idiot retaker movement does?

Nah, I just let the qoutes speak for themselves how deluded you people are.

Right, "I don't need to provide proof, you're stupid" is certainly a valid argument. I've been here since the beginning and have yet to see one person provide proof as to how the retakers' claims that the devs lied is false. Unless you have proof that they're wrong, how about staying quiet since you cannot make a proper argument without evidence to support your claim.

And since when did that logic ever stop retakers from being idiots here?

No, If the retaker movement is allowed to troll this forum and stomp their feet like entitled brats, I'm allowed to call it out and show their delusions.

You want respect? First you gotta show some. As it is, the last few days have proven ot me that there are only a few decent retaker types around, and you 'liar' types are even worse because you take a blatantly wrong interpretation of what the devs said and make it as fact.

So yes, **** you too.

Here is the difference: there are several threads with every bit of proof referenced and cited in each of the OP. When confronted, some go back and cite one of those threads or the interview itself that they feel shows they are correct. You, however, are refusing to show any proof that your stance is correct and that the retakers are "delusional idiots". Yes, some may be idiots but there are many who actually know what they hell they're talking about and provide proof to back their claims and arguments.

And considering some of what the devs said were correctly taken as literal interpretations ("No A, B, or C ending"- Casey Hudson), they did lie. Just because you do not want to use the correct definition of a lie does not make it so. So, if some of what they were saying were not lies of some sort then do explain exactly what they were because a lot of what they said were certainly false or misleading at the very best.

So, like I said, provide the proof that the retakers are wrong that nobody has provided or stay quiet when it comes to the claim that the devs lied. And do not get me wrong, I call out several retakers when they make the whole "I don't need to provide proof, you're stupid" argument or are just flat out bull****ting.

The devs haven't lied at all, people just took their words to mean one thing when they meant another. That isn't the fault of the devs. People are expecting perfection on this forum. It doesn't work that way.

Your 'facts' are opinions, nothing more.

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[Arsenic Touch]

Artistic Integrity. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

[Suikoden]

bigbade wrote...

 Seriously, Priestly is a moderator and thus I feel it is normal he doesn't take partake in conversation and simply moderates. Stanley Woo, although not a designated moderator, likes to do the same which is fine.

But for actual DISCUSSION, the only people who come in here are the Dragon Age devs? Why? David Gaider posts all the time down in DA2 forums, maybe because he wants to avoid DA3 being another catastrophe, but also because he's always done so. I know in the multiplayer forums we have Brian Johnson & others posting about bugs and keeping us updated on balance fixes etc which is awesome, but we need some ME developer discussion in here.

Even if they don't talk about the ending with us (even though they should.), there's plenty of lore questions that go around and never get answered. I don't get how they can claim they're listening, a person usually has to be a part of a conversation to be listening, otherwise it's just eavesdropping. 

Now people might say it's because this whole forum is a cesspool of insults, whining, and ending discussion galore. Yeah, but it's pretty obvious that it WOULDN'T be if we didn't have so many questions about it. Questions that could be answered via a forum post(see Patrick Weekes Q&A thread).

(And yes I know that when bioware people come on the forums they're doing it on their own time, but it doesn't take that long and if they are as passionate about their career as they claim then I feel there should be more active discussion).

And frankly, it's getting boring seeing the same two sides 'speculating' the same two opinions.

p.s jessica merezan doesn't count, I appreciate her answering questions but she still isn't a dev. 

They don't talk to the community because the community will hold them to anything they say pre or post release, which results in a ****storm of negativity.  That's why communicating to us through videos/screenshots is a much more efficient avenue to take - as people seem to understand that these can still be changed, while quotes are always taken as fact.

[Adanu]

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You think I actually want to bother 'disproving' what what of you people say when you're just going to ignore it like the rest of the idiot retaker movement does?

Nah, I just let the qoutes speak for themselves how deluded you people are.

Right, "I don't need to provide proof, you're stupid" is certainly a valid argument. I've been here since the beginning and have yet to see one person provide proof as to how the retakers' claims that the devs lied is false. Unless you have proof that they're wrong, how about staying quiet since you cannot make a proper argument without evidence to support your claim.

And since when did that logic ever stop retakers from being idiots here?

No, If the retaker movement is allowed to troll this forum and stomp their feet like entitled brats, I'm allowed to call it out and show their delusions.

You want respect? First you gotta show some. As it is, the last few days have proven ot me that there are only a few decent retaker types around, and you 'liar' types are even worse because you take a blatantly wrong interpretation of what the devs said and make it as fact.

So yes, **** you too.

Here is the difference: there are several threads with every bit of proof referenced and cited in each of the OP. When confronted, some go back and cite one of those threads or the interview itself that they feel shows they are correct. You, however, are refusing to show any proof that your stance is correct and that the retakers are "delusional idiots". Yes, some may be idiots but there are many who actually know what they hell they're talking about and provide proof to back their claims and arguments.

And considering some of what the devs said were correctly taken as literal interpretations ("No A, B, or C ending"- Casey Hudson), they did lie. Just because you do not want to use the correct definition of a lie does not make it so. So, if some of what they were saying were not lies of some sort then do explain exactly what they were because a lot of what they said were certainly false or misleading at the very best.

So, like I said, provide the proof that the retakers are wrong that nobody has provided or stay quiet when it comes to the claim that the devs lied. And do not get me wrong, I call out several retakers when they make the whole "I don't need to provide proof, you're stupid" argument or are just flat out bull****ting.

The devs haven't lied at all, people just took their words to mean one thing when they meant another. That isn't the fault of the devs. People are expecting perfection on this forum. It doesn't work that way.

Your 'facts' are opinions, nothing more.

The bolded part is my response to you. The retakers have the evidence in their favor; their opinions haven't once been challenged with any evidence to the contrary beyond people simply saying "you misinterpretted", which is not evidence. That is an excuse, especially when a lot of what the devs said were meant to be taken literally and weren't statements that had 50 different meanings. Yes, they said some things that weren't meant to be taken literally but a great deal of what they said were very straightforward. 

How are these two statements not meant to be taken literally: "No A, B, or C endings" and "All the choices you made throughout the trilogy have a big impact on the outcome". If you think that people are wrong for thinking that the statements were lies when there were literally no other meaning for "No A, B, or C endings" then you are more of a fool than those you're calling fools.

When there you have evidence pointing to something and nobody can come up with any evidence proving the contrary is true, then that means that your opinion is fact. Alas, the people you're claiming are delusional are the ones who have the evidence and have yet to be disproven. So, like I said, prove them wrong; simply saying "nope, I say you're wrong" is not evidence that you are correct.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying I'm in the right. I'm saying your opinions are not gospel, and acting like they are when the devs have clearly stated otherwise from what people are believing with this illegal advertising crap (there are different endings, and they can be wildly different from each other).

Making yourselves out to be in the right when the devs and the GAME ITSELF show that you are just talking out your ass about 'the same ending' is just flat out wrong.

[Arsenic Touch]

Adanu wrote...


You misunderstand. I'm not saying I'm in the right. I'm saying your opinions are not gospel, and acting like they are when the devs have clearly stated otherwise from what people are believing with this illegal advertising crap (there are different endings, and they can be wildly different from each other).

Making yourselves out to be in the right when the devs and the GAME ITSELF show that you are just talking out your ass about 'the same ending' is just flat out wrong.

Except he's not talking out his ass, do you honestly expect the devs to admit that they were wrong?
That little sticky about EMS was up for what a month? it's down now. Can you figure out why? 

[Benny8484]

Bioware has alot to learn from Riot Games.  Riot developers post daily & often hop on the forums to answer questions.  I have personally spoken with the creators of several champions, which to me is pretty damn cool.  As far as ME goes however, there is very little to no communication with the playerbase.

[Chugster]

Devs will be slammed whatever they say:

BW: We will change the endings....half the forums call them sellouts and lose respect

BW: the endings stay as they are....half the forums scream that BW are raping their Shep's

They cant win....ever

[bigbade]

that's because they are in a no-win situation. As much as I wasn't looking forward to an extended cut (would have rather had a new ending) I can very well see how it was the only logical choice if they wanted to please the maximum amount of people possible while not being called sellouts by the media and the 20 some odd pro-enders around here.
They can say they're listening all they want but right now all we have to go off of is their word and wait until the Extended Cut, imagine how much better everyone would feel if Gamble/Hudson/whoever would drop in a thread and say "well this is what I've gathered from the suggestions and complaints : (drops list of things that are wrong with the ending/ the game) and we will do our best to touch upon all these things"

That would be amazing, he wouldn't even be saying anything substantial regarding the content of the EC but it would at least show that show that we're not talking on deaf ears.

[abaris]

bigbade wrote...

I can very well see how it was the only logical choice if they wanted to please the maximum amount of people possible while not being called sellouts by the media and the 20 some odd pro-enders around here.

That's the least of their worries.

There will be no new ending because of a much simpler reason: money.

It would probably cost too much time, ressources and money to create an ending deserving the title. Selling out or keeping face isn't part of the equation when it comes to companies. That's again putting a human face on a body that isn't human but a well oiled corporate machine.

[Wrex4Life]

Anything they say can and will be used against them.

[bigbade]

abaris wrote...

bigbade wrote...

I can very well see how it was the only logical choice if they wanted to please the maximum amount of people possible while not being called sellouts by the media and the 20 some odd pro-enders around here.

That's the least of their worries.

There will be no new ending because of a much simpler reason: money.

It would probably cost too much time, ressources and money to create an ending deserving the title. Selling out or keeping face isn't part of the equation when it comes to companies. That's again putting a human face on a body that isn't human but a well oiled corporate machine.

Maybe, but we don't know exactly what they're adding to the extended cut and how much of it. Cinematics cost money as well, I know they probably won't be bringing in anyone to do more CGI scenes but even without that it's going to cost them money and if it's a substantial amount it could end up expensive 

[Lisa_H]

Because we will just ask about the promises they made before release

[Shepard Wins]

Because they have nothing more to say to us. If we shoot them, their team's ready to...wAAaaaaaAAAAAaaHHhh!!!

[ReshyShira]

The bioware devs don't listen to us because they assume we'll buy it anyway. Therefore they do the time honored tactic of ignoring their fanbase because they don't think that it'll make a difference.


There's also the fact that a lot of game developers are really arrogant, and if you have been paying attention to what bioware employees say you'd realize they betray a large amount of arrogance.

[Sanunes]

Would you want to experience whats going on in these forums and have it directed to you?