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Why did Bioware choose Diana Allers, over Tali'Zorah vas Normandy and Emily Wong?


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#51
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This is a false choice, OP. It's not like Bioware sat down and discussed it that way.

"We need to kill a character on Twitter, give another an amazingly lifelike 3D face, and do a shabby Photoshop of a stock image. Now let's pick who gets what-- who votes we kill Tali on Twitter? No one? Okay, I guess she gets the stock image. Since we already have a 3D face for Emily Wong, I guess that means she gets killed on Twitter, leaving Chobot/Allers as our choice for a new in-game model. That was easy, let's go for coffee."

Emily Wong was killed on Twitter because it made sense for her to be on Twitter, and it was a useful bit of viral storytelling, illustrating human resistance to the impossible foe.

Tali's face was revealed in a photograph because that's how Bioware's storytellers wanted to reveal her face. Like it or not, it has nothing at all to do with Emily Wong or Diana Allers/Jessica Chobot.

Speaking of whom, you can criticize Bioware all you want for including this person in the game, and I'll support you all the way. But just say, "Allers was a boring and fumbled character played by an unconvincing amateur. Her appearance seems like a misguided attempt at media payoff or fan service pandering." There's no need to conflate it with irrelevant issues.


The fact remains is that giving life to Chobot/Allers and face modeling her, took priority over other things that would make sense in the context of the game.  This says something about Bioware.  I'm not sure exactly what it says, but I really don't like it.

It made no sense to me for Emily Wong to be killed on Twitter.  It made no sense to me that she was even on Earth to be killed off, considering that for years she worked for Citadel News.  Chances are, the only people who paid attention the ANN "viral marketing" on Twitter were people who were already fans and knew Emily Wong from the games.  These were the only people who would really enjoy that Twitter feed.  Everyone else would be asking, WTF is Emily Wong?






Emily Wong was not particularly interesting either.  No journalist should have been included, especially if they were going to have so little dialogue.  I didn't romance Tali, so I never saw her face.  The big problem is that this space on the Normandy could have been invested in any number of old squadmates or interesting new ones (like a Batarian or Kal'Reegar).

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I seriously doubt Emily Wong would keep quiet about an unshackled AI with Reaper tech wandering around...

Diana Allers is an embedded journalist, her job is to make the military look good and keep classified secrets classified. She's a war correspondent...

Emily Wong spies on and leaks traffic controllers falling asleep...


That's true. So they could have still made Diana Allers look like Jessica Chobot, but they could have used a better voice actress! Chobot has less enthusiasm than an Elcor..

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Fan service is not always about suggestive content.

Fan service:"...is a term originating from anime and manga fandom for material in a series which is intentionally added to please the audience. It is about "servicing" the fan - giving the fans "exactly what they want".Fan service usually refers to "gratuitous titillation", but can also refer to intertextual references to other series." (Wikipedia)

She's a hot girl nerd. Speaking as an ordinary, not-at-all-bitter, non-hot girl nerd, I already hated her. :P

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haha, the allers character was based on someone in rl? never knew. i was wondering why this throwaway character was on my ship. they really didnt do anything much with her and her face model seems....off, compared to the rest of the models. couple interviews and ambient chatter with the communications chick

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

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Diana Allers is 20 war assets total...
Khalisa Bint Sinan Al-Jilani is 10...



Really?

I was sure that I got more War Assets for al-Jilani than I did for Allers...


I thought she was only worth 5 war assets. o_o



Yeh I was certain she was only worth 5...

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

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I googled Jessica Chobot after I got ME 3.

Judging by her pictures, I think she blew some of the members of Bioware. Or slept with someone important. Or someones.

Or probably for a high rating from IGN.


Most likely, however? Some people think she's hot. A lot of her pictures online are suggestive and revealing. Fan service.

Famous for seductively licking a psp.

I do not find her attractive, and her in game model isn't either.


That's unnecessary man. If you dislike the inclusion of Chobot, that's fine, but there is no call to be down right nasty about it with assumptions like that.


Wow. It was a joke.

Why am I the only one getting torn apart because I said that? I'm definitely not the first.


Clearly not. And I wasn't trying to crucify you. I just said it was unnecessary, even if it was meant as a "joke".

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

Sohlito wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

I googled Jessica Chobot after I got ME 3.

Judging by her pictures, I think she blew some of the members of Bioware. Or slept with someone important. Or someones.

Or probably for a high rating from IGN.


Most likely, however? Some people think she's hot. A lot of her pictures online are suggestive and revealing. Fan service.

Famous for seductively licking a psp.

I do not find her attractive, and her in game model isn't either.


That's unnecessary man. If you dislike the inclusion of Chobot, that's fine, but there is no call to be down right nasty about it with assumptions like that.


Wow. It was a joke.

Why am I the only one getting torn apart because I said that? I'm definitely not the first.

I still don't get why Bioware put her in the game. Surely they could have just paid for the review like usual.

 

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That is incredible.

Okay, next time I see a picture of a woman giving a work colleague a lapdance, sitting pantsless on a toilet and seductively licking objects, I will not jokingly talk about what kind of person she is.



What a first.

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Whatever, Allers gives me hard boners.

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about this "sexist" statement, I think the reasoning on how she got in is not because FatalX7.0 finds Chobot unattractive, but how Chobot herself is getting into a game that demands at least a mid-caliber voice acting skill or experience, where, the game shows, she lacked compared to the rest of the cast (and not by a margin). Using this idea, and the previous reasons why Chobot is popular, one might draw a conclusion that she got in based on things other than voice acting skill. The rest is hyperbole, and this is the internet, get a thicker skin.

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Sal86 wrote...

Fan service is not always about suggestive content.

Fan service:"...is a term originating from anime and manga fandom for material in a series which is intentionally added to please the audience. It is about "servicing" the fan - giving the fans "exactly what they want".Fan service usually refers to "gratuitous titillation", but can also refer to intertextual references to other series." (Wikipedia)

She's a hot girl nerd. Speaking as an ordinary, not-at-all-bitter, non-hot girl nerd, I already hated her. :P


Which is why I said "most commonly".

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Jamber wrote...

about this "sexist" statement, I think the reasoning on how she got in is not because FatalX7.0 finds Chobot unattractive, but how Chobot herself is getting into a game that demands at least a mid-caliber voice acting skill or experience, where, the game shows, she lacked compared to the rest of the cast (and not by a margin). Using this idea, and the previous reasons why Chobot is popular, one might draw a conclusion that she got in based on things other than voice acting skill. The rest is hyperbole, and this is the internet, get a thicker skin.



Yeh I reckon this is what the guy was going for.

He just didn't communicate it very well.

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FitScotGaymer wrote...

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She is supposed to be a war journalist for a galaxy spanning show and yet her war assets score is tiny, it is less than Kalisah bint Sinan al-Jilani and she is a "localised" reporter not galaxy spanning.


Diana Allers is 20 war assets total...
Khalisa Bint Sinan Al-Jilani is 10...



Really?

I was sure that I got more War Assets for al-Jilani than I did for Allers...


If you do her interviews she helps to increase other war assets by marginal amounts.

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fan service.

Gamer's have been goggling at Chobot for years. Now they can have a lesbian relationship with her x-x

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It's really funny how Jessica Chobot brings out the misogyny in some people. On the ME board of all places, a game famous, in part, for the female version of its protagonist. Heh.

Anyway, I dunno if I'm willing to make assumptions about how Bioware assigns their production budget, but seeing as how Diana Allers basically looks like Droopy Dog, I'm not sure Tali got the short end of the stick here.

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FitScotGaymer wrote...

Jamber wrote...

about this "sexist" statement, I think the reasoning on how she got in is not because FatalX7.0 finds Chobot unattractive, but how Chobot herself is getting into a game that demands at least a mid-caliber voice acting skill or experience, where, the game shows, she lacked compared to the rest of the cast (and not by a margin). Using this idea, and the previous reasons why Chobot is popular, one might draw a conclusion that she got in based on things other than voice acting skill. The rest is hyperbole, and this is the internet, get a thicker skin.



Yeh I reckon this is what the guy was going for.

He just didn't communicate it very well.


I was being blunt.

And then posted links to "back up" the fan service bit, which is my main point here.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

That is incredible.

Okay, next time I see a picture of a woman giving a work colleague a lapdance, sitting pantsless on a toilet and seductively licking objects, I will not jokingly talk about what kind of person she is.



What a first.


Whine whine whine. Someone on the internet didn't like my joke. 

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Kawamura wrote...

So it's a sexist joke. I can be uncomfortable about. I also get uncomfortable about other kind of jokes. 

You make a joke, I get to respond to it. And this one made me uncomfortable because I think it hints at something very, very ugly about the society you and I both most likely share. 


I agree about the society thing. His first response was about her looks and almost anger at her being good looking, surely she must've blew someone to get into that position there's no way she worked her way there.

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FitScotGaymer wrote...

Really?

I was sure that I got more War Assets for al-Jilani than I did for Allers...


Allers has three interviews which can bolster other war assets by 5 points each...
These interviews occur after Tuchanka, after the Citadel attack and after Rannoch...

Along with recruiting her, this totals twenty...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 avril 2012 - 06:15 .


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I thought Allers sorta looked like Snookie so I told her to get lost in both playthroughs. On top of that, after Chobot's comments towards us fans and that backhanded appology, I'll never have her on my ship in ANY playthrough.

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spacehamsterZH wrote...

It's really funny how Jessica Chobot brings out the misogyny in some people. On the ME board of all places, a game famous, in part, for the female version of its protagonist. Heh.

Anyway, I dunno if I'm willing to make assumptions about how Bioware assigns their production budget, but seeing as how Diana Allers basically looks like Droopy Dog, I'm not sure Tali got the short end of the stick here.


Thank you, this made me laugh.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Jamber wrote...

about this "sexist" statement, I think the reasoning on how she got in is not because FatalX7.0 finds Chobot unattractive, but how Chobot herself is getting into a game that demands at least a mid-caliber voice acting skill or experience, where, the game shows, she lacked compared to the rest of the cast (and not by a margin). Using this idea, and the previous reasons why Chobot is popular, one might draw a conclusion that she got in based on things other than voice acting skill. The rest is hyperbole, and this is the internet, get a thicker skin.



Yeh I reckon this is what the guy was going for.

He just didn't communicate it very well.


I was being blunt.

And then posted links to "back up" the fan service bit, which is my main point here.


Like this.

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And some ass shaking.

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And...whatever this is.

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And what made her famous.

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And this for some reason.

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And there is, of course, the pictures of her playing video games in her underwear, in dresses and in suggestive positions, and that one with some other woman groping her boobs.

There are people that like her, that like her for these kinds of things. I still standby her being in the game for fan service.

I am completely baffled that people got so upset.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 08 avril 2012 - 06:19 .


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FatalX7.0 wrote...

I googled Jessica Chobot after I got ME 3.

Judging by her pictures, I think she blew some of the members of Bioware. Or slept with someone important. Or someones.

Or probably for a high rating from IGN.


Most likely, however? Some people think she's hot. A lot of her pictures online are suggestive and revealing. Fan service.

Famous for seductively licking a psp.

I do not find her attractive, and her in game model isn't either.


HOLD ON! EA owns bioware...

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Kawamura wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That is incredible.

Okay, next time I see a picture of a woman giving a work colleague a lapdance, sitting pantsless on a toilet and seductively licking objects, I will not jokingly talk about what kind of person she is.



What a first.


Whine whine whine. Someone on the internet didn't like my joke. 


The level of maturity here is astounding.

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Lambda Diamond wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

I googled Jessica Chobot after I got ME 3.

Judging by her pictures, I think she blew some of the members of Bioware. Or slept with someone important. Or someones.

Or probably for a high rating from IGN.


Most likely, however? Some people think she's hot. A lot of her pictures online are suggestive and revealing. Fan service.

Famous for seductively licking a psp.

I do not find her attractive, and her in game model isn't either.


HOLD ON! EA owns bioware...


Oh yeah.