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[Xx Nod JimBo xX]

olivia munn would have been better.

[Daedalus1773]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Aside from the endings, there are plenty of things to nitpick about the game, but one issue in particular really seems to show what direction Bioware is going to continue to take as a developer.  It's absolutely infuriating to me (even as I take a step back and remind myself how dumb it is to be so pissed off about a video game).

Somewhere along the line, for some reason I cannot comprehend, Bioware made the decision to spend their face-modeling money on Diana Allers, rather than giving Tali (a core character in the series) the face reveal she deserved.

I had no idea who Jessica Chobot was before Mass Effect 3.  If the intent of her cameo was to make me a fan of hers, it actually had the opposite effect.  I'm now forever going to associate her name with the failings of ME3.

Is she really that popular, that Bioware thought putting her in the game would boost sales?  Was putting Chobot in the game such a draw, that it was worth it to relegate Tali to a stock photoshop, and kill off Emily Wong on Twitter? 

As a design decision, it feels so dysfunctional and out of touch with what fans expect.  The thing is, I don't see how having Chobot/Allers in the game was beneficial to EA/Bioware in any way.  Whoever forces these stupid marketing gimmicks on Bioware at the cost of game integrity needs to be fired, because they don't even work.

Yes.

[Gorwyn87]

I didn't even know it's based on her (nor who she is...) until I found that out in here. Usually I don't pay that much attention how much quality has any voice-over, so I didn't notice flaws there either. However, I do agree that the character felt unneeded. I always loved the interviews in the previous games, it was kind of interesting to comment your own actions and involvements and get some feedback how well you did it. So getting a reporter on-board sounded pretty awesome to me. However, the character felt out of place. I can't even say why (could be related to the VO-quality as well), but I never liked her at all and I wasn't interested either. The interviews were too flat (would have been interesting if the audience-questions part wouldn't have faded out, wasted potential) and the character was unnecessary, given we already had two possible reporters that would have filled the role perfectly. So after hearing that she's actually from IGN who seem to be the big defenders of everything ME3-related I can't help but feel something's fishy about that as well.
Too bad, the idea of the reporter was actually pretty good. Can't blame the woman for that though, who wouldn't have agreed to be part of a game series you like? Not her fault that she looks good and is in the right industry to get much attention because of that.

Modifié par Gorwyn87, 08 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[Bill Casey]

You can "Commander Bomb" her...
Just run in when she's in the middle of a story and interrupt her. She'll say "Commander." And then once you've ruined her take, you can leave again...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 avril 2012 - 06:20 .

[FatalX7.0]

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

I like Olivia Munn.

[danteliveson]

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

[Manton-X2]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

So it's a sexist joke. I can be uncomfortable about. I also get uncomfortable about other kind of jokes. 

You make a joke, I get to respond to it. And this one made me uncomfortable because I think it hints at something very, very ugly about the society you and I both most likely share. 

I agree about the society thing. His first response was about her looks and almost anger at her being good looking, surely she must've blew someone to get into that position there's no way she worked her way there.

Wait wait ... we need to throttle back on this.   Tell me how Jessica Chobot worked her way into an acting job with -zero- acting experience or training.  There are real actors and actresses working crap jobs hoping to actually get a tiny break who put in the time and effort and this job was dropped into her lap.   Disagree with what he said, but lets not get carried away here.  If she didn't know people at Bioware/EA she wouldn't be in the game.

MX2

[K_Tabris]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


Diana Allers is 20 war assets total...
Khalisa Bint Sinan Al-Jilani is 10...

Really?

I was sure that I got more War Assets for al-Jilani than I did for Allers...

I thought she was only worth 5 war assets. o_o

Yeh I was certain she was only worth 5...

 Allers initially gives you five war assets. Any additional points are from her news stories and the two personal interviews with Shepard.

Shoulda been Emily Wong.. They could have diversofied instead of adding another white person. Please.

Modifié par NovinhaShepard, 08 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Kawamura]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That is incredible.

Okay, next time I see a picture of a woman giving a work colleague a lapdance, sitting pantsless on a toilet and seductively licking objects, I will not jokingly talk about what kind of person she is.



What a first.

Whine whine whine. Someone on the internet didn't like my joke. 

The level of maturity here is astounding.

I never said I was mature. 

However, I'm not the one being upset that a sexist comment I made was not accepted happily by someone in my forum peer group. That was you. You don't want to get picked out on something, don't say it. If you do say it, be prepared to get picked out for it. 

Simple as that. 

[FatalX7.0]

danteliveson wrote...

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

I saw Olivia Munn in a movie before.

I can't remember how well she did, though...

[ibage]

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

I agree. Chobot does nothing for me. I'm not a huge fan of Munn but damn. What else can I say?

[stormhit]

Aside from any of this Chobot nonsese; the notion that there was some sort of face modeling budget that prevented a full Tali reveal seems unlikely to me. I just assumed they decided against a full Quarian reveal but decided to include a little fan service for what their telemetry no doubt shows is the small percentage of players who would even have a chance at seeing it.

Of course, if this was the thinking it was a poor idea, since those fans are the ones that are going to care the most, and everyone else is on the internet whether they have a Tali romance character or not.

[Sepharih]

I came into this thread not really sure what the angle of the thread title was....but you make a pretty good point OP.

[FatalX7.0]

Kawamura wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That is incredible.

Okay, next time I see a picture of a woman giving a work colleague a lapdance, sitting pantsless on a toilet and seductively licking objects, I will not jokingly talk about what kind of person she is.



What a first.

Whine whine whine. Someone on the internet didn't like my joke. 

The level of maturity here is astounding.

I never said I was mature. 

However, I'm not the one being upset that a sexist comment I made was not accepted happily by someone in my forum peer group. That was you. You don't want to get picked out on something, don't say it. If you do say it, be prepared to get picked out for it. 

Simple as that. 

I wasn't talking about just you.

And I'm not sure why you're reading things that I am not saying. But, hey, you can continue. This thread is becoming a good time waster.

[Hogge87]

I wrote my theory on why they did this less than an hour ago. But thanks to FTL forums, (in turn caused by an inability by most users to use the search function) it's already buried under a pile of threads identical to older threads and I just can't be arsed to rewrite the post I wrote there.

[Xx Nod JimBo xX]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

I saw Olivia Munn in a movie before.

I can't remember how well she did, though...

She was in iron man 2 and the Slammin' Salmon

[RogueBot]

Apparently, it's artistic to hire a celebrity with no experience in voice acting over the hundreds of talented voice actors in the world who would love to work on a Bioware title.

This is just one of the many reasons why I call bull**** on "artistic integrity". Mass Effect has always been commercial art at best, and Chobot was given the job because she works for IGN. It's so transparent it's pathetic.

Modifié par RogueBot, 08 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Si-Shen]

danteliveson wrote...

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

Agreed, I never liked Munn and she would have been a worse choice.
They should have kept with reporters they already had in the game.

[pikey1969]

See, I don't know why people are being sexist in regard to Allers.

There is PLENTY of ammunition against her and/or her implementation in Mass Effect, without going overboard and sexist like this.

[Manton-X2]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

I saw Olivia Munn in a movie before.

I can't remember how well she did, though...

I've never seen her in a movie, but I saw her when she was on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart doing skits.  She would have been light years ahead of Chobot in the acting category.

[Dap Brannigan]

Hogge87 wrote...

I wrote my theory on why they did this less than an hour ago. But thanks to FTL forums, (in turn caused by an inability by most users to use the search function) it's already buried under a pile of threads identical to older threads and I just can't be arsed to rewrite the post I wrote there.

Cut and paste, good sir.

[FatalX7.0]

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

I saw Olivia Munn in a movie before.

I can't remember how well she did, though...

She was in iron man 2 and the Slammin' Salmon

Date Night is what I saw her in! She was a hostess.

I don't remember her in Iron Man 2.

[Sepharih]

stormhit13 wrote...

Aside from any of this Chobot nonsese; the notion that there was some sort of face modeling budget that prevented a full Tali reveal seems unlikely to me. I just assumed they decided against a full Quarian reveal but decided to include a little fan service for what their telemetry no doubt shows is the small percentage of players who would even have a chance at seeing it.

Of course, if this was the thinking it was a poor idea, since those fans are the ones that are going to care the most, and everyone else is on the internet whether they have a Tali romance character or not.

Honestly:  My assumption is that they were going to do a full face reveal for tali, but it took to long to get a concept approved and the writers and artists went back and forth on how she should look.....and eventually when they finally got together and went online to find a base image to do a mockup of it was too late to allocate anymore resources because it was time to polish existing art.
Instead, they just took that 15 minute mockup and shoved it into the game somewhere.  That's defiantely speculation on top of what we know happend...but it's how I figure it went down.

[pikey1969]

Si-Shen wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Xx Nod JimBo xX wrote...

olivia munn would have been better.

Nah that would have been worse.

Agreed, I never liked Munn and she would have been a worse choice.
They should have kept with reporters they already had in the game.

Olivia Munn is too smart to take an offer like this.

She's fully in touch with her place in her industry and the public's perception of her.

Probably why you're less likely to see her make PR mishaps like Chobot's.

I am not being facetious at all here either.

Modifié par pikey1969, 08 avril 2012 - 06:28 .

[Kawamura]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That is incredible.

Okay, next time I see a picture of a woman giving a work colleague a lapdance, sitting pantsless on a toilet and seductively licking objects, I will not jokingly talk about what kind of person she is.



What a first.

Whine whine whine. Someone on the internet didn't like my joke. 

The level of maturity here is astounding.

I never said I was mature. 

However, I'm not the one being upset that a sexist comment I made was not accepted happily by someone in my forum peer group. That was you. You don't want to get picked out on something, don't say it. If you do say it, be prepared to get picked out for it. 

Simple as that. 

I wasn't talking about just you.

And I'm not sure why you're reading things that I am not saying. But, hey, you can continue. This thread is becoming a good time waster.

You quoted me. I assumed you were talking about me. You'll have to be more clear next time. 

So this is what I've seen: 

You: Made an off color joke.
Me: Pointed out.
Others: Pointed out. 
You: Attempt to support self. Post pictures of what you feel should warrent sexist language. Mention you are not the only one to say this. Still not getting the response you want.
You: Attempt to mock those calling you out. Discredit them. Still not getting the response you want.
You: Now acting sullen. Pulling back. Mentioning how emotionally not invested you are. 

Sorry, mate, it looks bad. Hopefully next time more people will be on your side on this and it'll be my sort on the defensive.