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[Ironhandjustice]

Well, I start this topic about a possibility not only to fix, but to explain the existance of the starchild.

Is just curious that the link port where Sovereign (AKA, Nazara) docked on ME1 is the same place where a Starchild (that claims to be reaper's boss) appear.

I have the theory that the star child is actually NAZARA, the sovereign, the reaper boss who tried to start the cycle but when failed, transfered himself to the Citadel, in order to survive.

That explains why the hell the citadel didn't activated itself. His activation protocols were destroyed by the keepers, but moving the citadel will allow Nazara to reap humans himself.

What do you think about this? With very few alterations, Nazara could be the starchild, and give us the same three choices with a LOGICAL conclusion:

-Control: You can hold de reapers from reaping humanity. You are partially indoctrinated, and have the chance of save humanity for another cicle, letting them survive without actual reaper technology. The humans will survive, but have to find their path to be the new dominant species... and even they will have a chance to destroy or truly control the reapers next time. You will buy them more time, and the relays will be intact for them on the next cycle. The other species will be reaped. At last, you will become the new collector general in return, the new paragon of the harvest.

-Destruction: You kill the reapers. No more relays, that fits with future Bioware theory about "well, if you look at the FTL engines, you will discover that are not as efficient as relays, but enought to keep galaxy united without Dark Age. The relays just... destroyed, not nova". You survive if have enought war assets.

-Sinthesys: The humanity will become a reaper... and you will be the mind that controls that reaper. The Harbinger has failed, so you will be promoted to the new Harbinger, the one who decides how the other reapers act. In other words, you become the new reaper boss, and you will decide how will they act on the future.


What do you think about this?

It keeps the artistic thing, but gives a logical alternative, nor a deus ex machina.

[Vespervin]

Interesting theory.

[Ironhandjustice]

Vespervin wrote...

Interesting theory.

Thanks, it makes sense, and gives the player several choices, one that lets humanity be the vanguard on next harvest, other that make the reapers win, and the final of kill them one time for all.

I think it should be interesting for bioware turn to this way if they don't want to give us the indoctrination theory.

They can keep their endings, and only re-voicing star child as Nazara, they can make it have sense. Is few work, and gives a reasonable explanation to everything.

[sAxMoNkI]

I like the idea of bringing sovereign back in such a clever way, but if bioware doesnt want to change the actual ending choices themselves fundamentally then you would be stuck doing what sovereign tells you instead of just some random starchild AI. I think I would personally dislike that more....

[dracolord64]

It would go along the lines of "we are infinite", their consciousness cant be destroyed only their body.

[survivor_686]

Makes better sense than the original.

[tobiasks]

This is quite interesting actually.

[Y3Y00]

Actually it's quite feasible, but a lot of the theories are. Too many variables, too many possibilities. Yet good thinking. I'd like to believe that Sovereign had much more significance than a simple Vanguard, hence the name... But it was given by Saren. Wait, what does Nazara mean, anyway?

[Pantanplan]

Y3Y00 wrote...

Actually it's quite feasible, but a lot of the theories are. Too many variables, too many possibilities. Yet good thinking. I'd like to believe that Sovereign had much more significance than a simple Vanguard, hence the name... But it was given by Saren. Wait, what does Nazara mean, anyway?

From the Mass Effect wiki:

"Nazara means 'The one who sees/observes' in old Turkish, possibly
alluding to Sovereign's role as a monitor of organic civilization.
"

According to Legion, that's what the programs inside Sovereign called themselves.

[Ironhandjustice]

Pantanplan wrote...

Y3Y00 wrote...

Actually it's quite feasible, but a lot of the theories are. Too many variables, too many possibilities. Yet good thinking. I'd like to believe that Sovereign had much more significance than a simple Vanguard, hence the name... But it was given by Saren. Wait, what does Nazara mean, anyway?

From the Mass Effect wiki:

"Nazara means 'The one who sees/observes' in old Turkish, possibly
alluding to Sovereign's role as a monitor of organic civilization.
"

According to Legion, that's what the programs inside Sovereign called themselves.

I like this. The idea of two meanings is very cool in either way.

[dracolord64]

Y3Y00 wrote...

Actually it's quite feasible, but a lot of the theories are. Too many variables, too many possibilities. Yet good thinking. I'd like to believe that Sovereign had much more significance than a simple Vanguard, hence the name... But it was given by Saren. Wait, what does Nazara mean, anyway?

I thought the geth called soverign Nazara?

[Ironhandjustice]

dracolord64 wrote...

Y3Y00 wrote...

Actually it's quite feasible, but a lot of the theories are. Too many variables, too many possibilities. Yet good thinking. I'd like to believe that Sovereign had much more significance than a simple Vanguard, hence the name... But it was given by Saren. Wait, what does Nazara mean, anyway?

I thought the geth called soverign Nazara?

Not the Geth, Nazara called like this itself.

Is presumed that was the name of the civilization that originated it.

[NReed106]

So Sovereign goes from "You cannot comprehend our reasons" to "jk we kill you so other people don't kill you"

[Jeb231]

Works for me.

[Ironhandjustice]

NReed106 wrote...

So Sovereign goes from "You cannot comprehend our reasons" to "jk we kill you so other people don't kill you"

Not at all. He goes from "You are inferior", to "you can be a leader for us, you know you want this"

It could be in order to avoid been destroyed, or simply a trick to fool you and win. That could be interpretable

[hippanda]

The crucible was designed to interface with the catalyst before Sovereign bit the dust.

[Ironhandjustice]

hippanda wrote...

The crucible was designed to interface with the catalyst before Sovereign bit the dust.

And?

If the child says "I'm Nazara" instead of "I'm the catalyst", problem solved. He assumed direct control. That's all.

The citadel was the catalyst, the sovereign merged with the citadel, the sovereign is the catalyst.

That could be the reason of why the catalyst doesn't fire.

[Mobius-Silent]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Is just curious that the link port where Sovereign (AKA, Nazara) docked on ME1 is the same place where a Starchild (that claims to be reaper's boss) appear.

Incorrect, Sovereign docked at the _top_ of the Citadel tower. The Crucible interface point (where the end sequence takes place) is on the underside of the bottom of the Citadel tower.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 08 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[Ironhandjustice]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Is just curious that the link port where Sovereign (AKA, Nazara) docked on ME1 is the same place where a Starchild (that claims to be reaper's boss) appear.

Incorrect, Sovereign docked at the _top_ of the Citadel tower. The Crucible interface point (where the end sequence takes place) is on the underside of the bottom of the Citadel tower.

Didn't realized this. You are right, is still the citadel tower, but different place.

[Ponei]

If this gets me a house in Rannoch, so be it.

[ZajoE38]

Holes or not, so far we have only one official explanation - Nazara is history, Catalyst controls the Reapers and in blue ending he'll allow you to do his job. We don't know it's origin, but neither we know the Reapers. It it even unimportant I think. It's just a entity who manages their goals. Don't bother with speculations for your own good, because you'll end like IDT fans.

[Ironhandjustice]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Holes or not, so far we have only one official explanation - Nazara is history, Catalyst controls the Reapers and in blue ending he'll allow you to do his job. We don't know it's origin, but neither we know the Reapers. It it even unimportant I think. It's just a entity who manages their goals. Don't bother with speculations for your own good, because you'll end like IDT fans.

I don't want to speculate, friend. The problem is not a Deus Ex Machina like starchild, is its nonsense logic. With this changes, we don't know anything more about reapers, and it makes sense.

Its a suggestion to keep starchild for Bioware, with a reasonable explanation, and with minimum effort of change. One of my friend changed the starkid lines just for fun over paper whe we discussed this, and the result was that Nazara's theory fixes everything with no changes on sheppards voice.

Is just an idea, intended to help bioware without changing the end. With a proper dialogue fix and an epilogue, this scene is very cool.

One of the biggest problems that Bioware have, is the money. They are working without additional money supply, and have the Starchild problem that destroys the ending. If instead of a "who are you" person you have an old enemy that gives you this choices, it would be better.

Starchild? NO! The Sovereign that talks you (with its voice) using a child body. Creeeepy

[Ironhandjustice]

FTL bump

[lolspawn]

i like it

[NM_Che56]

I thought Harby was the oldest and biggest. If so, then this couldn't be correct.