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Myrmedus wrote...

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she seemed to me to be one the best modeled females of the entire series. very attractive.


WHAT?

Dude, her face looks like it's melting. Ironic, because Chobot (as much as I dislike her) doesn't look like that at all.

I can understand thinking her body is attractive but her face wasn't transferred well into game.


Diana Allers looks more like Snooki.

Also. http://twitter.com/#!/DianaAllersANN

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I actually feel bad for Jessica Chobot. Bioware called, and said, "Hey, would you like to be in ME3?"  Well goodness, who WOULDN'T say okay? So she personally doesn't deserve a lot of the thoughtlessly cruel criticism. But the Diana Allers character was just a bad, bad idea, for resources, story, and dev time put into the character. A cutesy notion that somebody came up with, and yes, a pretty cynical PR calculation for the IGN connection. Could have all been done so much better with Emily Wong. Too much that was rushed. Ah, Bioware, before 2007, it was all so much different for you...

All that said, Jessica Chobot doesn't deserve any of the personal attacks. At least we can assume that she's wisely avoided these and any other ME3 forums.


This 100%


I keep hearing she's actually been insulting fans of the game calling them whiney and other names to degrade us. But I didn't care enough about her to look into it much futher. But if she did do it I say eye for an eye you poke the internet it will rage quit the life outta you. I'll probably forget about her completely by the time I've healed enough to play through the ME series again. 


I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:

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It's not purely her inclusion in the game but the fact she seems to have gotten where she has due to crap like this and now even BioWare seem to have fallen for it. Add that to the fact she's potentially added at the expense of a quality VA doing honest work and in the story a quality character like Emily Wong and there is your hate.

Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because of the above? No, sorry, not ok with that.

There are plenty of women out there far more deserving, with integrity and a good work ethic honestly looking for work as a VA. To have someone like this included instead is just...gah - it just epitomizes modern society.

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I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.

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Subpar voice acting in a series that usually excels on that front.

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Myrmedus wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

supermaan wrote...

RollaWarden wrote...

I actually feel bad for Jessica Chobot. Bioware called, and said, "Hey, would you like to be in ME3?"  Well goodness, who WOULDN'T say okay? So she personally doesn't deserve a lot of the thoughtlessly cruel criticism. But the Diana Allers character was just a bad, bad idea, for resources, story, and dev time put into the character. A cutesy notion that somebody came up with, and yes, a pretty cynical PR calculation for the IGN connection. Could have all been done so much better with Emily Wong. Too much that was rushed. Ah, Bioware, before 2007, it was all so much different for you...

All that said, Jessica Chobot doesn't deserve any of the personal attacks. At least we can assume that she's wisely avoided these and any other ME3 forums.


This 100%


I keep hearing she's actually been insulting fans of the game calling them whiney and other names to degrade us. But I didn't care enough about her to look into it much futher. But if she did do it I say eye for an eye you poke the internet it will rage quit the life outta you. I'll probably forget about her completely by the time I've healed enough to play through the ME series again. 


I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:

*snip*

It's not purely her inclusion in the game but the fact she seems to have gotten where she has due to crap like this and now even BioWare seem to have fallen for it. Add that to the fact she's potentially added at the expense of a quality character like Emily Wong and there is your hate.

Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because of the above? No, sorry, not ok with that.




And you sir are one of the reasons that this post: http://social.biowar...914/12#11179368 was locked.

Stop with the personal attacks.

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Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!

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supermaan wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

supermaan wrote...

RollaWarden wrote...

I actually feel bad for Jessica Chobot. Bioware called, and said, "Hey, would you like to be in ME3?"  Well goodness, who WOULDN'T say okay? So she personally doesn't deserve a lot of the thoughtlessly cruel criticism. But the Diana Allers character was just a bad, bad idea, for resources, story, and dev time put into the character. A cutesy notion that somebody came up with, and yes, a pretty cynical PR calculation for the IGN connection. Could have all been done so much better with Emily Wong. Too much that was rushed. Ah, Bioware, before 2007, it was all so much different for you...

All that said, Jessica Chobot doesn't deserve any of the personal attacks. At least we can assume that she's wisely avoided these and any other ME3 forums.


This 100%


I keep hearing she's actually been insulting fans of the game calling them whiney and other names to degrade us. But I didn't care enough about her to look into it much futher. But if she did do it I say eye for an eye you poke the internet it will rage quit the life outta you. I'll probably forget about her completely by the time I've healed enough to play through the ME series again. 


I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:

*snip*

It's not purely her inclusion in the game but the fact she seems to have gotten where she has due to crap like this and now even BioWare seem to have fallen for it. Add that to the fact she's potentially added at the expense of a quality character like Emily Wong and there is your hate.

Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because of the above? No, sorry, not ok with that.




And you sir are one of the reasons that this post: http://social.biowar...914/12#11179368 was locked.

Stop with the personal attacks.


There was no personal attack - read my post. I showed pictures and I explained why the hate. At no point did I actually name call or insult her.

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Myrmedus wrote...

Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!


Uh huh. 

Keep going. This is most excellent. 

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supermaan wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

supermaan wrote...

RollaWarden wrote...

I actually feel bad for Jessica Chobot. Bioware called, and said, "Hey, would you like to be in ME3?"  Well goodness, who WOULDN'T say okay? So she personally doesn't deserve a lot of the thoughtlessly cruel criticism. But the Diana Allers character was just a bad, bad idea, for resources, story, and dev time put into the character. A cutesy notion that somebody came up with, and yes, a pretty cynical PR calculation for the IGN connection. Could have all been done so much better with Emily Wong. Too much that was rushed. Ah, Bioware, before 2007, it was all so much different for you...

All that said, Jessica Chobot doesn't deserve any of the personal attacks. At least we can assume that she's wisely avoided these and any other ME3 forums.


This 100%


I keep hearing she's actually been insulting fans of the game calling them whiney and other names to degrade us. But I didn't care enough about her to look into it much futher. But if she did do it I say eye for an eye you poke the internet it will rage quit the life outta you. I'll probably forget about her completely by the time I've healed enough to play through the ME series again. 


I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:

*snip*

It's not purely her inclusion in the game but the fact she seems to have gotten where she has due to crap like this and now even BioWare seem to have fallen for it. Add that to the fact she's potentially added at the expense of a quality character like Emily Wong and there is your hate.

Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because of the above? No, sorry, not ok with that.




And you sir are one of the reasons that this post: http://social.biowar...914/12#11179368 was locked.

Stop with the personal attacks.


Its not a personal attack.
Its a civil discussion as to why she got where she did, unless she finds it embarassing she has no reason to take hurt from it.

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My question is why does anyone actually care about this woman enough to attack her? She's really just a spec in the gaming world let her be it's not worth it. I mean yeah if she IS attacking fans and fired first the **** (calling her a **** if she did indeed fire first) can take all the hate that comes with trying to be important in the gaming world. otherwise screw it and see if we can get the girl who did Madison in heavy rain to be the next reporter in ME4 : D

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Kawamura wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!


Uh huh. 

Keep going. This is most excellent. 


Arguing your point? Fine. Trolling posts? Declarative statements? Not fine.

You're a troll and you're blocked. Have a nice day.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 avril 2012 - 08:32 .


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I disliked her poor quality voice acting. She sounded bored when talking about carnage of war.

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Myrmedus wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!


Uh huh. 

Keep going. This is most excellent. 


You're a troll and you're blocked. Have a nice day.


I don't mind. You keep showing your true colors. I hate when people are subtle. 

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Myrmedus wrote...

supermaan wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

supermaan wrote...

RollaWarden wrote...

I actually feel bad for Jessica Chobot. Bioware called, and said, "Hey, would you like to be in ME3?"  Well goodness, who WOULDN'T say okay? So she personally doesn't deserve a lot of the thoughtlessly cruel criticism. But the Diana Allers character was just a bad, bad idea, for resources, story, and dev time put into the character. A cutesy notion that somebody came up with, and yes, a pretty cynical PR calculation for the IGN connection. Could have all been done so much better with Emily Wong. Too much that was rushed. Ah, Bioware, before 2007, it was all so much different for you...

All that said, Jessica Chobot doesn't deserve any of the personal attacks. At least we can assume that she's wisely avoided these and any other ME3 forums.


This 100%


I keep hearing she's actually been insulting fans of the game calling them whiney and other names to degrade us. But I didn't care enough about her to look into it much futher. But if she did do it I say eye for an eye you poke the internet it will rage quit the life outta you. I'll probably forget about her completely by the time I've healed enough to play through the ME series again. 


I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:

*snip*

It's not purely her inclusion in the game but the fact she seems to have gotten where she has due to crap like this and now even BioWare seem to have fallen for it. Add that to the fact she's potentially added at the expense of a quality character like Emily Wong and there is your hate.

Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because of the above? No, sorry, not ok with that.




And you sir are one of the reasons that this post: http://social.biowar...914/12#11179368 was locked.

Stop with the personal attacks.


There was no personal attack - read my post. I showed pictures and I explained why the hate. At no point did I actually name call or insult her.


You inferred it. same thing in application. you are reported.

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BW if you guys see this you gotta make this right, give tali a real face! the fans deserve it!

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Myrmedus wrote...

Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!


Precisely... This is something that those lunatics who call us entitled whiners don't seem to get.

Vanderloo's involvement was limited. The devs decided to model his face, and that's all. His part in the series is VA'd by a known VA (I thik we all know who that is by now), and BioWare had no stake in having Vanderloo in the game other than because his face fit the profile for the character...

And that's it.

He doesn't work for a gaming site that gave their game a perfect score, and he provided no voice work or performance capture whatsoever.

The time that the devs spent on the Allers character could have been better used to model Ash Sroka's face so that her character could be rendered in-game instead of using some other model's stock photo as a texture map on a four-point polygon that was used inside a low-res photo-frame in the game engine for maybe 5-10 seconds.

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supermaan wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

supermaan wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

supermaan wrote...

RollaWarden wrote...

I actually feel bad for Jessica Chobot. Bioware called, and said, "Hey, would you like to be in ME3?"  Well goodness, who WOULDN'T say okay? So she personally doesn't deserve a lot of the thoughtlessly cruel criticism. But the Diana Allers character was just a bad, bad idea, for resources, story, and dev time put into the character. A cutesy notion that somebody came up with, and yes, a pretty cynical PR calculation for the IGN connection. Could have all been done so much better with Emily Wong. Too much that was rushed. Ah, Bioware, before 2007, it was all so much different for you...

All that said, Jessica Chobot doesn't deserve any of the personal attacks. At least we can assume that she's wisely avoided these and any other ME3 forums.


This 100%


I keep hearing she's actually been insulting fans of the game calling them whiney and other names to degrade us. But I didn't care enough about her to look into it much futher. But if she did do it I say eye for an eye you poke the internet it will rage quit the life outta you. I'll probably forget about her completely by the time I've healed enough to play through the ME series again. 


I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:

*snip*

It's not purely her inclusion in the game but the fact she seems to have gotten where she has due to crap like this and now even BioWare seem to have fallen for it. Add that to the fact she's potentially added at the expense of a quality character like Emily Wong and there is your hate.

Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because of the above? No, sorry, not ok with that.




And you sir are one of the reasons that this post: http://social.biowar...914/12#11179368 was locked.

Stop with the personal attacks.


There was no personal attack - read my post. I showed pictures and I explained why the hate. At no point did I actually name call or insult her.


You inferred it. same thing in application. you are reported.


Report me all you want, you've now gone from personal attack to inferral of a personal attack. Keep going.

My posts are and have been on topic. I've explained to the OP why Diana Allers is getting hate, which is what this thread is about. If you don't like the thread topic why are you here?

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 avril 2012 - 08:35 .


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1. Bad yet expensive VA'ing
2. Exists as promo material
3. Completely useless as a character
4. Gives forced romance a new definition.

When you look at it, BW could have improved ME2 romances, the ending, or character development in ME3. Instead of that, they uselessly tacked on Jessica Chobot

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Myrmedus wrote...

Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!


I don't understand. Chobot is a presenter/host, does that totally disqualify her from acting sexy? How does being a model make it acceptable in your eyes? Also, you are saying if Vanderloo was directly involved with Mass Effect you would give him the same hate you are giving Chobot? I sincerely doubt it. 

And you don't like Allers? Don't bring her on the Normandy! 

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Thread is about Diana Allers hate.

People get upset when others say why they hate her.

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Myrmedus wrote...

There was no personal attack - read my post. I showed pictures and I explained why the hate. At no point did I actually name call or insult her.


Report me all you want, you've now gone from personal attack to inferral of a personal attack. Keep going.

My post are and have been on topic. I've explained to the OP why Diana Allers is getting hate, which is what this thread is about. If you don't like the thread topic why are you here?


from you earlier post: "Including someone in the game? No problem. Including someone in the game
who isn't necessarily a VA? Ok, I can deal with that. Including someone
in the game who got where she is - and arguably in the game - because
of the above?
(and that was an inference to her generousity of bringing cookies to work?) No, sorry, not ok with that."

ya sorry, not ok with that

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another thread about bashing on chobot just got locked like 10 min ago, so standby.

Modifié par comrade gando, 08 avril 2012 - 08:37 .


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Katherine wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Katherine wrote...

I don't like her for two reasons:

1. They could have modeled Tali instead of using their resources on Allers
2. It seemed like a payoff to IGN

HOWEVER, I am so sick of seeing the personal attacks on the VA, and how she is "ugly" or "slept with someone" to get the job. The sexism towards Chobot is appalling. It doesn't matter if a woman chooses to act or pose in a sexy manner, you shouldn't be so incredibly awful to her. Funny thing is, I've seen Mark Vanderloo in plenty of risqué photos, and yet no-one implies that he ****d his way into being Commander Shepard.


Mark Vanderloo is different.

Firstly, his profession is actually that of a model - he's been a model for years.

Secondly, he isn't actually involved in Mass Effect in any way - he doesn't VA or anything. BW simply decided to model his face as Shepard's and presumably he gave them the OK, that was the limit to his involvement.

Thirdly, he's one option for Shepard's facial display - don't like his face? No problem, make your own!


I don't understand. Chobot is a presenter/host, does that totally disqualify her from acting sexy? How does being a model make it acceptable in your eyes? Also, you are saying if Vanderloo was directly involved with Mass Effect you would give him the same hate you are giving Chobot? I sincerely doubt it. 

And you don't like Allers? Don't bring her on the Normandy! 


It's because of Chobots very open and suggestive personality.

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"Hate" is a strong word. I think my problems with her appearance are:

1) By trying to copy a real person, they got just far enough into the uncanny valley that something looks off about her character. She's an attractive woman in real life, but something about the in-game rendering is just off. If they'd stuck with a clearly fictional reporter (Emily Wong, an easy choice) they wouldn't have had that immersion breaker.

2) It represents a level of comfort with the conflict of interest between the game makers and the gaming press, which ties into the larger disconnect between the "75 perfect scores" from the press vs. the beating it's taken from actual users. Let me see... an editor for a site that reviews video games got a voice-acting gig in a video game they would later be publicizing/reviewing, and encouraging users to spend their money on, and no one saw anything wrong with that. You're either a journalist or you aren't, and if you're not, you don't put yourself in a position like that.

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 What is with this "It could have gone to other characters" BS?

Bioware doesn't have a jar filled with character development that depletes the more they use it.

Modifié par Calibrations Expert, 08 avril 2012 - 08:38 .