[quote]Katherine wrote...
[quote]Myrmedus wrote...
I don't see how posting pictures is a personal attack. I haven't created or edited anything, I have had no input with the integrity of those images. I have simply typed "Jessica Chobot" into a Google Image search and displayed the results. A personal attack would be if I photoshopped those images. As it is, if those pictures are a personal attack on Chobot then she has attacked herself.
[quote]Personally, no, I did not find her pictures sexy, but I understand that was she was going for. They actually came across as goofy to me, because I've had friends that have taken similar pictures. They did so because they are young and having fun, not because they are bad people. The implications of what makes a woman "classy" are troubling however. I often see that word thrown around as an excuse to insult a woman doing anything remotely sexual. [/quote]
The implication is that a public place probably isn't the most appropriate place to be doing something 'sexual' - those kinds of pictures are things you'd perhaps consider sending to a boyfriend not posting on the internet, and if you do put them on the internet then don't whine if people start slagging you off over it. Choices and consequences: you choose to take such pictures then you have to deal with the consequences.
But it's not just that: as I pointed out, the issue I have is a person has buttered things up in their professional career using that kind of behaviour: fool her, fool IGN and fool BW IMO.
That isn't to say I advocate going ape-**** on her Twitter account like some have but it's also important to take responsibility for your actions: if you take pictures (on a consistent basis by the way, these weren't just "prank" photos of her) like that under the defence that you're just "young and having fun" that doesn't automatically make you exempt from criticism, sorry: she's an adult, not a child, and part of being an adult is being responsible for your actions and dealing with the consequences. Besides, like I alluded to in the earlier parentheses, these pictures aren't just from a "fun night out" - they're tactical and done for publicity purposes, hence why there are
so many. It honestly does feel like the "young and having fun" defence seems to be getting played at older and older ages with each generation. In 100 years we'll probably have people justifying themselves with it when they're 40, heh - but that's just a pet peeve
[quote]Again, I agree that someone with more experiance probably could have gotten the job and the fact that she works for IGN probably had something to do with it, but I see no reason to personally attack her.[/quote]
Posting the picture is not an attack. I have had no impetus in the content, I've simply linked it. As for others, I'm not saying I justify everything I see, I'm just explaining why it is as the threat title is "I don't understand all the Diana Allers hate" - well, my response was to explain why. Agreeing or justifying is not a requisite to understanding.
[quote]And I'm pretty sure Vanderloo was in fact used only because he is "pretty". [/quote]
He was, but the point is that he didn't get into the game in any other fashion: he didn't get to VA and the face can be exchange for another if you wish (which most do, in fact).
The one part of the game he's involved in is, ironically, the only part that has something to do with the way a person looks: modelling a character's face.
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It wasn't just that you posted pictures, but what you said about them.
"I cannot make myself feel sorry for someone who got to where they are because of this:"and
"There are plenty of women out there far more deserving, with integrity and a good work ethic honestly looking for work as a VA. To have someone like this included instead is just...gah - it just epitomizes modern society."
Wait, so what about those photos shows she doesn't have values or a good work ethic? I wasn't aware you can get an understanding of such things simply by looking at picture and not actually talking to a person yourself. [/quote][/quote]
Ok, fair enough: perhaps I should rephrase - I think the tactics behind these photos she's produced display a lack of integrity and work ethic. The photo with the PSP is a perfect example because it's not like some photo that got snapped of her when she was drunk and being silly in a nightclub etc. then uploaded onto Facebook by a 'friend' as a practical joke. This was a picture with a gaming slant taken for specific reasons (publicity) so it was used as a tactic in terms of career exposure and possibly progression.
That's the part where integrity and work ethic come in for me: someone with both of those wouldn't stoop to such levels.
And that's my opinion on it, and I'm entitled to that. I understand not everyone will agree but I also cite that this is another contributing factor to the "Diana Allers" hate.
[quote]As for ridiculing people because they display sexuality in public, wow. "Consequences"? Really, that justifies people's behavior towards her? I get that the internet is an unforgiving place with people looking to tear down others, but she didn't release a sex tape for god's sake. I've seen worse things in entertainment magazines. [/quote]
This has nothing to do with the internet, it's just in general. This is a funny example but imagine if she got a boyfriend and then that boyfriend took her to meet his parents. Then, somehow, they found those pictures of her online.
The point I'm trying to make is that the way you're viewed and the consequences of your actions are something you should consider and is a part of being an adult. To be able to do what you want without worrying about repercussions
is a luxury you only get when you're a kid. This isn't specific to the internet.
And yes, it's not really appropriate, the only question is where you draw the line. For example, in most civilized places, if you take your clothes off in public you're committing a crime. Obviously, she's not quite doing that, but from a moral perspective it would be considered by many to be going too far to do this in public. I did say this was a pet peeve in my post, however, but it is indeed something that I think is wrong with today's society.
And yes, I have seen worse things too, but using that as a defence is like saying it's ok to do X because someone did Y and Y is worse.
[quote]I never said that being "young and having fun" makes you exempt from criticism, but again, criticism is NOT the same thing as a personal attack! [/quote]
Perhaps, it depends on your view of a personal attack. I consider a personal attack actually going to her and attacking her, really. What I've said is I think she lacks two important qualities, or at least her actions lack those important qualities, based upon both the pictures of her on the internet and the nature behind them.
I simply cannot stand people who try to get a leg up in their job through sexualizing themselves.
Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 avril 2012 - 10:42 .
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