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[NormanRawn]

The Angry One wrote...

EvilMind wrote...

I have no idea what are you talking about, I think Synthesis is best option. So far I dont see any good argument against it in this thread. I'd love to hear facts why you think its bad, only facts, not vague assumptions

Have you made any argument for it? I have stated the facts, and they are clear.
Either make a post with substance or don't make one at all.

How about the unrealistic ability of this green explosion to account for the diversity of the races within the ME universe?


How does it generate a new framework for ALL existing species, while maintaining their unique qualities?

Questions raised in another posts.

"You're talking about changing every single organism in the entire galaxy into this new state of being, presumably while disregarding any and all biological differences"

"What about everyone who lived in a system without a relay? The
Ardat-Yakshi monastery, Gellix, and those countless side missions that
took place on habitable planets, but were a lengthy distance from a
relay?"

Whats to prevent ordinary organic life to develop elsewhere and restarting everything? 

[Pottumuusi]

You are an omniscient god.
You see a horrible mass murderer getting away with it.
One day he decides to go and live as a hermit in the middle of the wilderness, and you know with absolute certainty that he repents his actions and will never do anything evil ever again.

What do you do?

[Rhazeal]

Stop being a whiny entitled overthinker and assimilate to the space magic-y artistic vision already.

[Orthodox Infidel]

EvilMind wrote...

Noone is playing god, you got three options from which you have to choose. Like it or not, all 3 options affect all organic life in the galaxy.

Ok... that's true... now you say some other stuff here that are all assumptions:

I see synthesis as: Organics are now immortal (they dont age),

Proof for this? Even machines need maintence and break down.

they communicate at the speed of light,

We already had faster than light communication in this universe. And we have no proof that this is now an inherent ability of all living things. Those plants on the Normandy crash planet can communicate across the galaxy?

no diseases and etc.

If they are partly organic, then they still would get diseases. And if they're partly computers, they can get computer viruses. That's in some ways more scary than the benefits you mention.

Are those things bad? If you dont wanna be immortal, kill yourself in ~80 years, i'm sure majority would love immortality

Ok, so your answer to the people who don't want to become machines is "Nuts to you?"

You also haven't addressed the problem that the Reapers get off totally scot free in this ending.

[AxisEvolve]

In my first playthrough I chose Synthesis because I agree that the merging of Synthetics and Organics is probably our final evolution. Improving ourselves using technology would take an incredibly short amount of time compared to natural evolution. It doesn't make sense that we wouldn't eventually attempt this at least, so it seems like a likely future to me.

But upon reading the criticisms of this "choice" on here after completing the game, I realized that:

1) It makes no sense. The way it's presented is entirely flawed with no explanation. We are supposed to speculate on the impossible, which I believe is a complete waste of thought.

2) Shepard isn't qualified to make this decision. Any evolution made in this way should be a personal evolution. We saw in the game how many conflicting opinions there are on trusting advanced technological lifeforms. Space Jesus or not, it's not his call. This is one decision that should not be made by one man.

How come Shepard wasn't like "Yo Spaceboy, ima phone a friend and get back to you... Hackett, you're my superior and one of humanity's most important people. What do you think I should do?"  Not deep enough?

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 08 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[Mr.House]

EvilMind wrote...



I see synthesis as: Organics are now immortal (they dont age), they communicate at the speed of light, no diseases and etc. Are those things bad? If you dont wanna be immortal, kill yourself in ~80 years, i'm sure majority would love immortality. No wars / hate crimes / religious dispute and so many more. Who wouldn't want to learn at the speed of light? Whats there not to like?

Wow, this is so naive it's not even funny.

[legion999]

Pottumuusi wrote...

You are an omniscient god.
You see a horrible mass murderer getting away with it.
One day he decides to go and live as a hermit in the middle of the wilderness, and you know with absolute certainty that he repents his actions and will never do anything evil ever again.

What do you do?

Inform the appropriate people that he is guilty.

But that analogy doesn't work for the Reapers. They only left because they were told to they didn't decide to repent. Hell I doubt they ever would feel guilt considering how arrogant they act.

Modifié par legion999, 08 avril 2012 - 08:10 .

[The Angry One]

Pottumuusi wrote...

You are an omniscient god.
You see a horrible mass murderer getting away with it.
One day he decides to go and live as a hermit in the middle of the wilderness, and you know with absolute certainty that he repents his actions and will never do anything evil ever again.

What do you do?

We know that the Reapers regret anything how?
Do they even deserve forgiveness? No matter what they think they are doing, "ascending" us or not, they are vile and cruel. They torture and terrorise innocent beings for fun. They puncture colony domes and leave people to suffocate. They experiment on people and mash them into horrific creatures to use as foot soldiers.

They simply do not deserve to be free.

[Quietness]

Ive said it before, and i'll say it again,

Destruction of all Ecosystems, and Partially Synthetic Viruses (mmmmm synthetic hiv/ebola/etc) is a bad thing.

Modifié par Quietness, 08 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Eudaemonium]

I tend to view Sythesis as the 'best' ending, in the whole 'grantign transcendence' and countless indeterminable benefits way that Bioware likely intended it. However, all these benefits are an unknown quantity, they more-or-less have to be due to the nature of the ending.

However, it is, like many people state and for all of the reasons, utterly morally reprehensible. This is why I, personally, can't in good conscience pick it. I cna't really imagine constructign a Sheprd who would pick it either, because the theme is never explored in any way in the game. This ending worked in Deus Ex, because it was a principle theme of, guess what? Deus Ex. It was also personal to JC Denton. It didn't suddenly merge all of humanity with Helios against their will.

[Laurcus]

Iwillbeback wrote...

They're responsible for probably over a thousand trillion deaths.

The number you're looking for is a quadrillion.

Though the number is actually much higher.

50 Billion planets in our galaxy. Assuming 1% of those are inhabited each cycle, with 5 billion people per planet, with one cycle every 50k years for a billion years. That's 2.5 quintillion people killed every cycle. 50000 Divided by 1 billion is 20000. So from what we know, there's been at least 20000 cycles. 2.5 Quintillion times 20000 is 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. For anyone that doesn't want to count out the digits, that's 50 sextillion people killed by the Reapers.

And Broly from DBZ killed about 25 billion times that many people.

Does giving a number to the Reaper's crimes change anyone's opinions?

Modifié par Laurcus, 08 avril 2012 - 08:10 .

[Bigdoser]

Yup angry those are the exact same reasons why I will never pick synthesis. I always pick destroy because thats the furthest from what the starchild wants.

[SuperClutch16]

-Draikin- wrote...

Synthesis is just disgusting. There's so many things wrong with it that I can't imagine anyone choosing that ending if they actually think it through.

Destroy. 100% No question. The fact that the Reapers are still alive in Control and Synthesis does not sit right with my conscience.

[Pappi]

I didn't mind control so much, but that was because I didn't want to kill the geth x,x

[Siansonea]

But...but...it was a pretty green explosion, isn't that enough?

[Mr.House]

Siansonea II wrote...

But...but...it was a pretty green explosion, isn't that enough?

Red is better

[Pottumuusi]

The Angry One wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

You are an omniscient god.
You see a horrible mass murderer getting away with it.
One day he decides to go and live as a hermit in the middle of the wilderness, and you know with absolute certainty that he repents his actions and will never do anything evil ever again.

What do you do?

We know that the Reapers regret anything how?
Do they even deserve forgiveness? No matter what they think they are doing, "ascending" us or not, they are vile and cruel. They torture and terrorise innocent beings for fun. They puncture colony domes and leave people to suffocate. They experiment on people and mash them into horrific creatures to use as foot soldiers.

They simply do not deserve to be free.

The purpose of this though experiment was just to see if you favor punishing criminals or rehabilitating them, and to see if you think criminals should be punished just for revenge, even if it serves no purpose.

If the reapers follow the starchild's twisted logic then they should have no reason to kill people after the synthesis.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 08 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[Geth_Huntha]

Eudaemonium wrote...

I tend to view Sythesis as the 'best' ending, in the whole 'grantign transcendence' and countless indeterminable benefits way that Bioware likely intended it. However, all these benefits are an unknown quantity, they more-or-less have to be due to the nature of the ending.

However, it is, like many people state and for all of the reasons, utterly morally reprehensible. This is why I, personally, can't in good conscience pick it. I cna't really imagine constructign a Sheprd who would pick it either, because the theme is never explored in any way in the game. This ending worked in Deus Ex, because it was a principle theme of, guess what? Deus Ex. It was also personal to JC Denton. It didn't suddenly merge all of humanity with Helios against their will.

You've obviously never played Deus Ex: Invisible War, lol.

[The Angry One]

Pottumuusi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

You are an omniscient god.
You see a horrible mass murderer getting away with it.
One day he decides to go and live as a hermit in the middle of the wilderness, and you know with absolute certainty that he repents his actions and will never do anything evil ever again.

What do you do?

We know that the Reapers regret anything how?
Do they even deserve forgiveness? No matter what they think they are doing, "ascending" us or not, they are vile and cruel. They torture and terrorise innocent beings for fun. They puncture colony domes and leave people to suffocate. They experiment on people and mash them into horrific creatures to use as foot soldiers.

They simply do not deserve to be free.

The purpose of this though experiment was just to see if you favor punishing criminals or rehabilitating them.

If the reapers follow the starchild's twisted logic then they should have no reason to kill people after the synthesis.

You cannot by definition rehabilitate a mass murderer. They have gone too far.
Pol Pot was captured when he was a pathetic old man, powerless and no longer a threat. Does that mean he didn't deserve to be put on trial? Of course not. He had to be held to account for his crimes.

Modifié par The Angry One, 08 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[EvilMind]

So Shepard should have asked every single life form in galaxy if they prefer synthesis or not, so god forbid, he wont make that choice for them? Then why Shepard makes Destroy/Control decisions by himself and dont require everyones consent? I'm pretty sure those choices also have major impact on the future of the galaxy.

I believe that synthesis, as they said, is the final evolution and it has many obvious benefits. I dont see any reason why anyone would turn that down

Modifié par EvilMind, 08 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[The Angry One]

EvilMind wrote...

So Shepard should have asked every single life form in galaxy if they prefer synthesis or not, so god forbid, he wont make that choice for them? I believe that synthesis, as they said, is the final evolution and it has many obvious benefits. I dont see any reason why anyone would turn that down

Because you don't know how evolution works.

[Siansonea]

Mr.House wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

But...but...it was a pretty green explosion, isn't that enough?

Red is better

They need to have a Pink ending, with an explosion of cotton candy goodness! 

[Tritium315]

EvilMind wrote...

I have no idea what are you talking about, I think Synthesis is best option. So far I dont see any good argument against it in this thread. I'd love to hear facts why you think its bad, only facts, not vague assumptions

That's pretty idiotic statement. The only thing you can get is speculation and assumption since we barely know anything about synthesis to begin with. I may as well ask you for facts as to why it's good, only facts, not vague assumptions.

[Quietness]

EvilMind wrote...

So Shepard should have asked every single life form in galaxy if they prefer synthesis or not, so god forbid, he wont make that choice for them? I believe that synthesis, as they said, is the final evolution and it has many obvious benefits. I dont see any reason why anyone would turn that down

take a moment and see what happens when you add a foreign species to an ecosystem .... now think about what would happen when the whole ecosystem goes foreign...

nuff said.

[Pottumuusi]

The Angry One wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

You are an omniscient god.
You see a horrible mass murderer getting away with it.
One day he decides to go and live as a hermit in the middle of the wilderness, and you know with absolute certainty that he repents his actions and will never do anything evil ever again.

What do you do?

We know that the Reapers regret anything how?
Do they even deserve forgiveness? No matter what they think they are doing, "ascending" us or not, they are vile and cruel. They torture and terrorise innocent beings for fun. They puncture colony domes and leave people to suffocate. They experiment on people and mash them into horrific creatures to use as foot soldiers.

They simply do not deserve to be free.

The purpose of this though experiment was just to see if you favor punishing criminals or rehabilitating them.

If the reapers follow the starchild's twisted logic then they should have no reason to kill people after the synthesis.

You cannot by definition rehabilitate a mass murderer. They have gone too far.
Pol Pot was captured when he was a pathetic old man, powerless and no longer a threat. Does that mean he didn't deserve to be put on trial? Of course not. He had to be held to account for his crimes.

More importantly, do you think that criminals should be punished for revenge, even if it doesn't serve any purpose and no concievable benefit can come from it?