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[taxtell]

Love him or hate him, and this goes for Morrigan as well, such intense reactions = d@mn good character writing.

[XOGHunter246]

ok i was just going by the time i used him he seemed to hit a lot more and such but anyways i only used him once

[XOGHunter246]

taxtell wrote...

Love him or hate him, and this goes for Morrigan as well, such intense reactions = d@mn good character writing.

so good it make you think they real in a sence and love or hate them i'm bad at explaining stuff but yeah i agree

[PatT2]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

he is a big child how he acts at landsmeet he could of acted more grown up about instead he shouted and whined after it when i spoke to him.

What did he do/say? i never got that scene. I got him to agree to marry Anora. and vice versa.
 

[PatT2]

LMAO!

[XOGHunter246]

PatT2 wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

he is a big child how he acts at landsmeet he could of acted more grown up about instead he shouted and whined after it when i spoke to him.

What did he do/say? i never got that scene. I got him to agree to marry Anora. and vice versa.
 

after you marry him hardened to anora and let loghain live you speak to him in redcliff before he leaves he looks like he still in party but if you go to his room and talk to him he shouts at you.

[Krigwin]

That... is disturbing.

[XOGHunter246]

hove you seen my topic guess not it locked now.....

[Armiece]

What's hilarious to me about all the guys calling Alistair whiny in this thread...is that half of them then go on to whine about how the game sets him up wrong.

Jeez, guys. Alistair only whines about stuff like being forced to be king or all his friends dying. Good thing you guys have legitimate complaints to whine about, like a video game not giving you enough stats.

Just sayin' .

Modifié par Armiece, 05 décembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[Malkut]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

don't think Ferelden has the "guy code" ...

"Bros before hos" is a universal principal, like gravity.

[SarEnyaDor]

And in Zev's case bros are hos....

[MadCat221]

Armiece wrote...

What's hilarious to me about all the guys calling Alistair whiny in this thread...is that half of them then go on to whine about how the game sets him up wrong.

Jeez, guys. Alistair only whines about stuff like being forced to be king or all his friends dying. Good thing you guys have legitimate complaints to whine about, like a video game not giving you enough stats.

Just sayin' .

THIS.

Lessee here...  He was given the notion that he's inconvenient to his more legitimate family members.  He had a spiteful shrew of a mother figure who had him shipped out ASAP to go be a templar.  He was treated either like just another snobbish noble by the commoner acolytes or a bastard child by the noble acolytes, and despised for being impudent by the monestary staff.  After finally finding a parental figure again in Duncan, he loses him and an entire army is betrayed and massacred and then he and his only comrade are blamed for the crime.

I would expect anyone to start buckling under that.

And then I see all the 4chan-like hating towards him and I roll my eyes.  Wotta bunch of Internet Tough Guys.

[Lux]

Alistair stopped being that interesting after his childish reaction in the Landsmeet, on my first playthrough...

[PatT2]

Yeah...well...I didn't let Loghain live. I may simply never, ever save him just to never earn the achievement, to make a point. He's not worth saving. Ever. He left the battlefield and got his allies killed. He's the worst kind of traitor. I feel the same way Alistair does about it. Besides, his snake of a friend killed my family. I personally saw to his demise.

[Roxlimn]

Alistair's reaction to Duncan's death is totally inappropriate for his character. He knew Duncan was going to die, and he knew it was going to be sooner rather than later. He knew this BEFORE Ostagar happened - but he was all okay during the battle, but not okay afterwards. He's clearly written as though he didn't know Duncan was near his time during that period.



Sadness is what people feel when they're met with a sudden and inexplicable death. Duncan had it coming for 30 years and he knew his time had come. If Alistair was going to be mourning, he should have been mourning for years. Besides which, his whiny attitude about this is also totally inappropriate for a frontline shock trooper. What he should be feeling is outrage and anger that Duncan was denied his chance at a glorious death (we all know his death was soon and inevitable) by Loghain's power mongering.



I agree that he should not agree that Loghain would join the Grey Wardens, but the lines are totally off. A more appropriate line from him would be:



"Duncan is denied a glorious death, but we allow this murderous power mongerer to get one? How is that fair? I have no objections to letting him live, as long as he never again gets a share of any glory on or off the battlefield! Let him live the rest of his life as a drunk."



Moreover, the entire exchange with him tearing up talking about Duncan is also totally inappropriate. In the first place, real life guys don't communicate that way as a rule, and especially men like Alistair who is obviously distinctly and clearly uncomfortable about sharing his feelings verbally, which is why he's such a smartass most of the time.



A more appropriate scene would be:



...conversation turns to something about Duncan...



Alistair: That Duncan... He was cool with everything you know. With me, especially...

(voice trails off. Camera shifts. Alistair's expression becomes pained, somewhat pensive)

Hero: Alistair...

Alistair: I think this is a great time for sparring practice, don't you?

Hero: Sure. I think it's perfect.



(Scene cuts to sparring. Alistair shows increasing agitation and swings wilder and harder as the session goes on. Eventually he misses on a really wild swing and his sword buries itself in the ground. Tears silently fall from the openings in his visor. He doesn't get up.



Hero kneels next to him and offers a shoulder.)



Hero: It's okay. I miss him, too...

[Armiece]

Roxlimn wrote...

Alistair's reaction to Duncan's death is totally inappropriate for his character. He knew Duncan was going to die, and he knew it was going to be sooner rather than later. He knew this BEFORE Ostagar happened - but he was all okay during the battle, but not okay afterwards. He's clearly written as though he didn't know Duncan was near his time during that period.

Sadness is what people feel when they're met with a sudden and inexplicable death. Duncan had it coming for 30 years and he knew his time had come. If Alistair was going to be mourning, he should have been mourning for years.

What kind of logic is that? By that setup I should be just fine when my mother dies, because I've had my whole life to get used to the idea, and something like 10 years to watch her go downhill. 

Just because you're warned about it doesn't mean you are mentally prepared for the reality of it.

Oh, and Duncan wasn't the only one dead - the rest of the Wardens, who it's implied Alistair had come to think of as his 'home', died too. He's essentialy lost not only his father figure, but one of the first places in the world he was happy in.  That'd bring out the sad in pretty much anyone. 

[MusukoYo]

Zevran is creeeepy, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Who knows what he's done or where he's been sticking his schlong?  Not to mention he might knife you during intercourse.  Bad news all
around.

I'd like to see just how well you'd turn out if your mother was forced into prostitution and died giving birth to you, and you were raised by ****s and sold off to an assassin's guild where you spent the rest of your formulative years having your will broken (check out his nightmare sequence in the Fade). Yes, he's sleazy. He had a sleazy childhood. But rather than turning into an emo puddle of self-pitying goo, he got over himself and enjoys life the best he can. He's better than Alistair on that count.

I can't say I care for his accent (especially since the other Antivans that pop up in the game don't have the same accent, making the whole Spanish affectation a moot point), but I find it hard to fault Zevran for being a man****.
As he said himself, he grew up among ****s that "sold the illusion of love" and was trained to use seduction as a tool to get closer to a mark. Sex, to him, has virtually nothing to do with romance (at first, anyways).

Putting aside the whole sex factor, Zevran is every inch as funny as Alistair. He has a depth to him you won't ever discover if you leave him moldering in the camp.

Modifié par MusukoYo, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:48 .

[Null]

MusukoYo wrote...

Zevran is creeeepy, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Who knows what he's done or where he's been sticking his schlong?  Not to mention he might knife you during intercourse.  Bad news all
around.

I'd like to see just how well you'd turn out if your mother was forced into prostitution and died giving birth to you, and you were raised by ****s and sold off to an assassin's guild where you spent the rest of your formulative years having your will broken (check out his nightmare sequence in the Fade). Yes, he's sleazy. He had a sleazy childhood. But rather than turning into an emo puddle of self-pitying goo, he got over himself and enjoys life the best he can. He's better than Alistair on that count.

I can't say I care for his accent (especially since the other Antivans that pop up in the game don't have the same accent, making the whole Spanish affectation a moot point), but I find it hard to fault Zevran for being a man****.
As he said himself, he grew up among ****s that "sold the illusion of love" and was trained to use seduction as a tool to get closer to a mark. Sex, to him, has virtually nothing to do with romance (at first, anyways).

Putting aside the whole sex factor, Zevran is every inch as funny as Alistair. He has a depth to him you won't ever discover if you leave him moldering in the camp.

This is true. After building his approval up (trying to avoid a relationship, it was difficult), and hearing about his final mission, he got a lot more interesting. I like him a lot more now.

[Majspuffen]

Nah, Alistair is cool.

[Maria Caliban]

jinx01313 wrote...

I'm guessing that since he is a Virgin...

This is it. Alistair is insanely jealous of the PC because he's in his tent at night rubbing the little knight while you're leaping back and forth between Morrigan and Leliana.

[vorianxavier]

OP shifts the blame for his character's moral failures onto someone else

[Roxlimn]

Armiece:



It's not logic, it's observation. In fact, it's a well-studied phenomenon. People are better prepared for death when they know it's coming, and this is not only on an individual level but on a familial level. And no, YOU haven't had your whole life getting used to the idea that your mother is eventually going to die because you don't get nightly reminders of it. Alistair does.



Every night he's reminded of his own mortality and that they're all living on borrowed time. He's going to die - Duncan is going to die - they ALL are, and sooner rather than later. Moreover, Duncan told him that he expected to go to Orzammar very soon. That is tantamount to a cancer survivor announcing that his doctors have found brain metastases and that he's got 3 months to live. His family all expected it, and here's the news that confirms it. If Alistair was going to have some kind of depressive reaction, it should have been then, and he would not have been all jovial in Ostagar and especially not around Duncan.



It's inconsistent and unrealistic.

Oh, and Duncan wasn't the only one dead - the rest of the Wardens, who it's implied Alistair had come to think of as his 'home', died too. He's essentialy lost not only his father figure, but one of the first places in the world he was happy in. That'd bring out the sad in pretty much anyone.

So why is it that when you ask him about Grey Wardens in general, he's okay, and only really breaks down when Duncan's brought up? If he were really depressed about all that, then touching on anything about the Grey Wardens should immediately put him on the defensive - which it doesn't.



Some guys have this impression that Alistair is a whiny little idiot because his sadness as portrayed in the game is overblown and overacted. He's a frontline shock trooper with more than a little experience facing horrible monsters in battle under his belt. It's okay for him to be horribly affected by the death of his comrades and his father figure - but it won't show itself as verbally whining about it.



In fact, it would have been fantastic if this emotion portrayed itself as some kind of erratic quality in his combat - he'd be all ass-kicking one minute, then losing it the next (possibly with some kind of minor combat penalty related to sadness). Then Oghren talks to him about it and teaches him to handle it like a Berzerker - that would be hella good.



But all this whiny talking? It grates because it's unnatural.

[asaiasai]

I do not know if this is considered cheating but i have the character respec mod 1.6 and i use it. If i am running a tank i set up sten and allister to be 2h warriors working on my target. If i am running a class other than tank i set them up to tank which for sten involves a respec from 2h to shield. I also respec morrigan and wynne (not alot to change on wynne) up to be spirit healers. Right now i am running a mage with sten or allister to tank, wynne or morrigan as healers, an leliana as the lock picker ranger. I will say this that no amount of tactical programming will make sten or allister as good a tank as the one (PC) i play, i find that in the more difficult encounters, i have to drive the tank to set up the battle then i can switch back to my main to finish it.



As for allister's conversations he is a good person and will act accordingly that is one thing you can count on. I have no problem with 2 timing morrigan myself as she is quite the amoralistic pain in the ass anyway, but i would feel guilty 2 timing leliana as she might not be pure but she is trying to be a good person, and that has value at least to me. Of all the romance options leliana is my favorite because she seems like woman who considers compassion a strength, she will bake you cookies, tuck the kiddies into bed at night then lock the bedroom door and let her freak flag fly, all with a cheery outlook.



Asai