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[Starmartyr]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...
What this really boils down to for me is female characters being there simply so that they're sex objects for some male gamers..

But women ARE sex objects.

No no, women are chew toys

[Somehing]

Kaosgirl wrote...

Somehing wrote...

RazorNightngale wrote...

The boobs didn't bother me.

The man hands though...ugh.

Though what annoyed me the most was when ever my proper and polite female human noble sat down she would have her legs spread-apart like a boy. It drove me nuts.

That's quite bad :/
Just pretend she's a flirtatious devil with quite a sense of humour and doing it deliberately, or something. I mean, we have to compensate for not having our chars just the way we want all the time, don't we?

If one must force the character's persona to fit the avatar's habits, I think it would be better to presume she's got a fair bit of butch/tomboy running in her.  
This does a better job of explaining why she draws a sword instead of shrieking and cowering behind the nearest male.

*giggles at the beginning*
Kaosgirl wrote...
Somehing wrote...
RazorNightngale wrote...

Anyway..I was actually going to suggest that but didn't want to make such compromising, obscure and presumptuous suggestions into the details of the person's character's genetic background and hidden depths of psyche. That's almost worse than making suggestions about her outward appearance/actions..(not meaning that you did, of course, just I didn't want to risk coming across that way myself) (I'm seeing too much conflict on a board where people're supposed to be helping each other to want to cause any more)
(edit) Erm, unquoting an unquotation

Modifié par Somehing, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:16 .

[tmp7704]

Meh, the only thing that bothers me about the models in general is the size of their heads, it seems bit too small compared to rest of the body. I'm hoping it's something that could be addressed by changing the size of 'root' head bone in the default rig or something.

Well that and the oversized hands. I guess that's two things, then.

(since the shoulder width and such can't be resolved without adding more skeletons there isn't much use in complaining about it atm. Breast sizes is more of a personal taste thing and i expect the modders will take care of it once they can actually reliably edit the existing models)

Modifié par tmp7704, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:38 .

[Xaltar81]

SweetiePea wrote...
What this really boils down to for me is female characters being there simply so that they're sex objects for some male gamers. It perpetuates stereotypes about women and I have a problem with that. Always have, always will. Just as I'd have a problem with a company using scantily clad buff male characters as sex objects--unless that's their role
.

I hate seeing this sort of thing on forums. Steriotypes exist for a reason and this particular one has existed since the dawn of man. Women ARE sexual beings and that does not have to be a negative thing. All women strive in their own way to be as attractive to men as they can (barring the exceptions to every rule). The men in return will fight for the attention of a woman who has roused their interest, if there is more than one man this will lead to competition and the end result is that the woman finds the best possible mate. This process is fundamental in ensuring the continuation of the human race as a whole. As for the stereotype, it changes in almost every generation for both men and women. What is considered attractive tends also to be what is percieved as healthy and it is instinct to all creatures to seek out a healthy mate. 

There are men out there that treat women appalingly BUT it is not all men and there are equally as many women out there that the same can be said of. Your issue should not be with the stereotype but rather those FEW individuals who put too much stock in it. At the end of the day, if you take that mmm, jerk, home with you it is you that has failed not men and certainly not instinct. Blaming poor partner choice on society won't get anyone anywhere.

As for the breast size in the game, who cares. I would have liked to see a little more variation but I know how much work would have been involved in doing so and feel that Bioware made a good choice reguarding size. They are not overlarge and fake looking while at the same time they are pleasant to look at. They are proportionately accurate. Smaller breasts on that frame would look wrong.

[Somehing]

(SweetiePea wrote.)



I must be the only one missing something here. I'm not seeing the same monstrous gargantuan obscene gratuitous and appallingly offensive twin juggernauts everyone else seems to be seeing. Is this on the normal human female model? I'm not seeing anything outstanding. They look proportional.

[Alexus_VG]

SweetiePea wrote...

Okay, I recognize that some women do naturally have large breasts. I wouldn't mind characters in game having large breasts if it were simply a matter of, "Oh, well, some women are like this in real life." I don't think that I'm off base here when I say that the large-chested women in games are usually there to appeal to a certain subset of male gamers. Note that I say a certain subset. I was pleased to see that there are male players who concur that the breast-size in this game is a bit ridiculous.

What this really boils down to for me is female characters being there simply so that they're sex objects for some male gamers. It perpetuates stereotypes about women and I have a problem with that. Always have, always will. Just as I'd have a problem with a company using scantily clad buff male characters as sex objects--unless that's their role. I'd have been okay with obviously cheesecake women and men being in the brothel, for example. That would have been in keeping with the storyline. But what's the point of my PC running around in armor that was inspired by the wonderbra?

What I like about ME and KotOR is that the female characters are obviously feminine but they didn't feel like sex objects to me. Sure, I know how male characters felt about Bastila but at least she looked normal when you slapped some Jedi robes on her. Why is it that whatever you put on Morrigan ends up looking sleazy? I do have to give the developers some kudos, though, as I found it very humorous when you approach Morrigan in Eamon's estate and she says something like she'll burn down the place if one more servant asks if she'd like a change of clothes.

I have two major remarks. One is this, people theese day use turms such as sexism way too liberally and it usually creates a perception of something that was not intended to be viewed as such to begin with. In referance to this game which is after all what this thread is about I can see absolutly no reason why such accusations should be thrown arround. There are a vast variety of female characters in the game, some of which are out and out man eaters, and I don't hear any guys complaining about that.

My second point is this while a certain ammount of realism contributes to the mood of the game I certainly don't think it should be a real life simulator in every single way because let's face it that would be quite boring. A game is there to entertain so taking certain liberties on the way characers or armours look to make them more pleasing to behold is not exactly a bad thing. I for one don't mind having my female character kitted out in some hot leather armour that displays liberal cleavage. Yes it is inaccurate to how it would be if it was real but if we had to go all the way in that regard we would have our heavy plate wearing PC's relieving themselves in their armour and lets face it nobody wants to see that in a game.

Modifié par Alexus_VG, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[SweetiePea]

Let me just state that I'm not trying to accuse anyone here of anything. I'm merely pointing out that using large-chested, scantily clad female characters is a way to perpetuate certain stereotypes of women.



At any rate, Alexus, to each his or her own. I'd rather my character's armor be more realistic because it pulls me out of the game when it isn't. I like to immerse myself in the story so when I see something that doesn't make sense within the story's context, it jolts me out of my suspension of disbelief.

[Phoenixoverlord]

Xaltar81 wrote...

As for the breast size in the game, who cares. I would have liked to see a little more variation but I know how much work would have been involved in doing so and feel that Bioware made a good choice reguarding size. They are not overlarge and fake looking while at the same time they are pleasant to look at. They are proportionately accurate. Smaller breasts on that frame would look wrong.

A good choice regarding size? I don't know about that. Larger breasts is one thing, gravity defying boobs a whole other matter. Then again I suppose Morrigan is using magic to telekinetically lift her breasts as there is no way that her vest (or whatever else she's wearing) or that chain bra is keeping them in that form.

I loved the game, but the female models just made me laugh.

[Shinji Ex]

Because Large Melons Are Delicious 

[Alexus_VG]

SweetiePea wrote...

Let me just state that I'm not trying to accuse anyone here of anything. I'm merely pointing out that using large-chested, scantily clad female characters is a way to perpetuate certain stereotypes of women.

At any rate, Alexus, to each his or her own. I'd rather my character's armor be more realistic because it pulls me out of the game when it isn't. I like to immerse myself in the story so when I see something that doesn't make sense within the story's context, it jolts me out of my suspension of disbelief.

Hmm... yes certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I thought it was worth it to point out that not all female gamers feel the same way. I think I will leave it at that, atleast untill I've had some coffee.

[Dranearian]

Is it just me, or do people who keep throwing out the 5 years thing just sound incredibly stupid?



Nevermind the fact that a ton of the game development takes place BEFORE anything is ever done towards even starting the game.



Nevermind the fact that there was at least a time when development was being done on an engine completely different than the one we see here. (barbarian dude and mage girl? (Did I get that right?))



Use your brains people. There were no animators that spent the entire development time working on this project from the time of conception to the time of completion.

[Kaosgirl]

Xaltar81 wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...
What this really boils down to for me is female characters being there simply so that they're sex objects for some male gamers. It perpetuates stereotypes about women and I have a problem with that. Always have, always will. Just as I'd have a problem with a company using scantily clad buff male characters as sex objects--unless that's their role
.

I hate seeing this sort of thing on forums. Steriotypes exist for a reason

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Xaltar81 wrote...

There are men out there that treat women appalingly BUT it is not all men and there are equally as many women out there that the same can be said of. Your issue should not be with the stereotype but rather those FEW individuals who put too much stock in it.

Like you're doing right now?

[Alarna]

Phoenixoverlord wrote...

A good choice regarding size? I don't know about that. Larger breasts is one thing, gravity defying boobs a whole other matter. Then again I suppose Morrigan is using magic to telekinetically lift her breasts as there is no way that her vest (or whatever else she's wearing) or that chain bra is keeping them in that form.

I loved the game, but the female models just made me laugh.

But you do know that not every woman wears a bra? Or need to do? Especially young women don't need to, and their breasts don't hang around.
Have you ever seen a naked young woman without bra? You should have a look.

[Tonya777]

I think :



Lelianna should have A cups they seem more like what she would have for some reason



Dwarf chicks should have E cups

[LunSei Sleidee]

*sigh* Let's face it, guys, this thread is going on merely because it's about b00bs. We're not even discussing the issue seriously.



Anyway, I'll state it again: I found absolutely nothing wrong or even barely sexist with the breasts of the female characters in this game.

[Phoenixoverlord]

Alarna wrote...
But you do know that not every woman wears a bra? Or need to do? Especially young women don't need to, and their breasts don't hang around.
Have you ever seen a naked young woman without bra? You should have a look.

Ah thanks. Let me ask my wife for further clarification.

[GMOS_inc]

The over-sized 'breasts' did bother me for the whole second that it appeared noticeably in screen with the romance. (I always skip those, doesn't add much to the game for me.) But I actually like the more mainly walk on my female character, but I suppose that's to be expected when you play a Warrior. Might be different with a Mage, or so.

[Alarna]

GMOS_inc wrote...

The over-sized 'breasts' did bother me for the whole second that it appeared noticeably in screen with the romance. (I always skip those, doesn't add much to the game for me.) But I actually like the more mainly walk on my female character, but I suppose that's to be expected when you play a Warrior. Might be different with a Mage, or so.

No, only one rig and animation for men and women. Mages are running like a two-handed warrior, it's extreme

[kroosaydur]

wait. whats the complaint here? that the breasts are too big? first of all they look about average size to me. and second, who really cares? the females in this game other than the desire demon dont have very nice bodies at all. they have man shoulders, they walk like dudes, they have almost no ass at all. if the girls in this game looked like they were from a fashion magazine then i might understand, but really they really arnt very sexy at all.

[Carth Vader]

as it doesn't feel particularly heroic to play an obese warrior who runs out of stamina from jogging 20 steps in his armor.

There is a fat female cook model in the game already. Someone just needs to mod some armor for her then make her playable.

[Clovis-]

If only animating wasn't so time expensive.

Animations definitely need to be cleaned up though.

Modifié par Clovis-, 03 janvier 2010 - 03:12 .

[Bagushii]

Personally I find the gravity-defying DD cup (no seriously, it's nowhere near C) old Chantry ladies the strangest. So why did they opt for a surgery at around the age 70? I'm glad I didn't think of looking at the package of the retarded dwarf at the camp too closely, but seriously.. why have sexual innuendo in places where it is only disturbing?

Modifié par Bagushii, 03 janvier 2010 - 04:40 .

[Carth Vader]

Pray to the Maker for long enough and your DD cup will runeth over it seems. :innocent:

[Bunzan Cardinal]

i noticed this as well. It seems when the women in the game strip down they put on 15 pounds of muscle and grow a cup size. Was always curious why, atleast now i know i'm not the only one who noticed this heh.

Modifié par Bunzan Cardinal, 03 janvier 2010 - 11:15 .