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[Rashala]

I have to admit I likely will NOT feel the same And likely won't be buying any DLC or future games they make

[UrgentArchengel]

No real beef on BW, but EA needs a good sock to the mouth. Rushed games will always have problems, those that love the franchise will have issue and ME3 is proof to EA that you will get your damn money, just be patient.

[RandomSyhn]

Maybe it's just me but I'd like to believe that one hiccup in an otherwise exemplary record. (I actually liked DA2 so sue me) isn't justification enough to give up on them alltogether. Fixed or no I'm probably going to play future titles, although I likely won't be pre-ordering them. I really did like ME3 I just was upset by the last 5% of the game. It hasn't stopped me from replaying it, (although I did put off re-ending it) and I'm still very attached to the series and the universe.
Yes I'm foaming at the mouth beause I didn't get my cohesive narritive, but no I'm not going to stop playing things I enjoy because of it.
Just because you hate one song doesn't mean you disown your favourite band. I know it's not a perfect analogy but I like to judge things on a case by case basis. If it turns out I'm wrong then I'll learn. Though I'd like to think bioware still can make great games, with engaging stories.

[LadyWench]

No, they have every opportunity to salvage this and win back their core fans, no question. If they can take that crap ending and make it as or more satisfying than ME2 and not have so many ridiculous plot holes, my faith will be restored. What I don't believe is that their "solution" will be that good. :/

[Slappy Ya Face]

RandomSyhn wrote...

Maybe it's just me but I'd like to believe that one hiccup in an otherwise exemplary record. (I actually liked DA2 so sue me) isn't justification enough to give up on them alltogether. Fixed or no I'm probably going to play future titles, although I likely won't be pre-ordering them. I really did like ME3 I just was upset by the last 5% of the game. It hasn't stopped me from replaying it, (although I did put off re-ending it) and I'm still very attached to the series and the universe.
Yes I'm foaming at the mouth beause I didn't get my cohesive narritive, but no I'm not going to stop playing things I enjoy because of it.
Just because you hate one song doesn't mean you disown your favourite band. I know it's not a perfect analogy but I like to judge things on a case by case basis. If it turns out I'm wrong then I'll learn. Though I'd like to think bioware still can make great games, with engaging stories.

I'd relate this more to a bad album than a bad song, considering that the ending ruined the entire experience for me. This, of course, coming on the heels of an extremely mediocre album called Dragon Age 2.

I'm not one of those people who despised every single thing about DA:2, since it gaves me great characters which is what I was looking for. I just see it as vastly inferior to Origins, when I expect a superior experience from a sequel. Now, that can't always be the case, but such a heavy drop in quality can't slip by unnoticed.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 09 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[Fat Head]

If they manage to pull a 180 and save the ending, then i'll gladly replay the series over and over. It's truly an outstanding trilogy up to the end.

My faith in Bioware is too far shaken for me to blindly trust them anymore though. I would definitely be doing extensive research on anything from them before purchasing again.

[Taleroth]

I'll feel very positively. I'll have underestimated them and I'll have to face up to that. And will have to give them more credit than I have ever. They'll have truly understood the issue. Even if they had trouble conveying that properly.

I mean that even if it just fixes most of my complaints. They wouldn't have to fix them ALL, that would be impossible.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[thesnake777]

I'm not sure how I feel about any of this anymore OP.
I dont like how Bioware has handled this or their responses to be quite frank.
If they fix it im not sure if ill get it or bother playing at this point.

Modifié par thesnake777, 09 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[TheCrazyHobo]

This was the first game I ever pre-ordered a Collectors Edition for and honestly in the end I was very disappointed with the game as a whole. Before its release, I paid attention to every single last news story about ME3 and often read the same new's stories on different sites. I purposefully did not read any leaked info because I really wanted to enjoy this game as a clean slate. My issue was how rushed the game felt and how did not even come close to the game Bioware said they were crafting. I finished the game once with my main, a paragon, and I can not even bring myself to even start my renegade because none of his choices matter.

In the end, I am not trusting ANY game company anymore, not just Bioware. In fact, I know people who have given up on gaming as a whole because of the obvious greedy direction the industry is going.

So long Bioware, you got your $80, but alas you shall get no more!

[Slappy Ya Face]

Taleroth wrote...

I'll feel very positively. I'll have underestimated them and I'll have to face up to that. And will have to give them more credit than I have ever. They'll have truly understood the issue. Even if they had trouble conveying that properly.

I mean that even if it just fixes most of my complaints. They wouldn't have to fix them ALL, that would be impossible.

If they pulled a 'miracle on ice' with this and swiped it out of the gutter, I'd certainly have a renewed sense of pride and respect for them. It might shock me enough to renew my trust, but my scepticism is keeping me at arm's length.

[RealStyli]

There was a slogan the FC Barcelona fans displayed for Figo when he left and then played against them for Real Madrid, a big betrayal:

"We hate you so much, because we loved you so much"

I feel this is very apt in this whole debacle. Now it's up to BioWare to regain our love.

Modifié par RealStyli, 09 avril 2012 - 02:10 .

[Kayawyn4]

It’s a tough call at this point. I lost a lot of faith and trust in Bioware/EA to deliver a good story-driven game. Were they to address every complaint I had in it, yes I probably would forgive them—however they’ve more or less stated that they won’t be (given that they’re are committed to keeping the Catalyst in its current form.)

[ForceXev]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...
But will 'some' be enough? -Can- they actually reason themselves out of a major plot point that they clearly didn't reason themselves into?

Maybe.  It depends.  There are a LOT of issues with the ending.  Some of them are major issues that go right to the core of the series, and some are minor nitpicks.  If they can handle the major issues for me, then yes I can probably live with some of the minor ones and not give up on Bioware forever.

As for the question of -CAN- the actually pull it off?  That's a completely different question.  I don't know what I would do with that story if I was them, but then again I don't make a living at writing so who knows.  I just hope that they fully grasp the scope of the problems, because they can't fix it if they don't properly understand what's wrong with it.

[GreyLycanTrope]

If they take the time to listen to us and fix things I'm won't hold a grudge, in fact I'll be grateful if they don't leave as hanging. Hopefully they'll learn from this as any possible future purchases from Bioware are currently going reevaluation.

[HighScore 2600]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't feel the same. If they fix all major complaints I will immediately start another ME3 playthrough.

Aggreed.

[Element Zero]

It can't fix my every complaint, since it will not retcon the ending we got. Nonetheless, I appreciate the decision to try to clean it up, a bit.

If the largest plot holes are fixed, if I get some "closure" for my crew, if I get to see how my military assets aided the fight, and if I get to see how and why the galactic civilization I fought for is not beyond saving... then, this game may be redeemed.

I'm still not going to be a preorder customer, anymore. That type of patronage has to be earned anew. I do hope this was something of a lesson to EA and Bioware. Don't rush the creative process. Don't bypass peer review. Make certain to fulfill your promises. One can hope, right?

[lordofdogtown19]

Hexley UK wrote...

I'll be a little more cautious but i'll still happily buy more Bioware stuff.

[warrior256]

Even if this DLC somehow managed to be perfect in every way, I think that my relationship with Bioware has been permanently damaged. They lied to us and then tried to push the blame onto us when we approached them with problems. Nothing they do at this point can fix this for me. I have serious doubts about if I will ever buy a Bioware game again.

[Slappy Ya Face]

warrior256 wrote...

Even if this DLC somehow managed to be perfect in every way, I think that my relationship with Bioware has been permanently damaged. They lied to us and then tried to push the blame onto us when we approached them with problems. Nothing they do at this point can fix this for me. I have serious doubts about if I will ever buy a Bioware game again.

It may be due to their new partnership with EA, but that doesn't let Bioware off the hook.

[The Mercenary55]

Nah, if this extended cut is good then atleast i'll understand more about why they ran with this ending. Im hopeful bioware will get back on course.

After all life is about learning from mistakes, and moving on. Bioware will be able to take this experiance (whether its seen as good or bad) to future titles. Soo yeah, im hopeful. Bring on summer.

[Slappy Ya Face]

The Mercenary55 wrote...

Nah, if this extended cut is good then atleast i'll understand more about why they ran with this ending. Im hopeful bioware will get back on course.

After all life is about learning from mistakes, and moving on. Bioware will be able to take this experiance (whether its seen as good or bad) to future titles. Soo yeah, im hopeful. Bring on summer.

It's always possible they'll have learned to be more careful with their franchises, after both ME:3 and DA:2 went down so hard. Possible, but unlikely, considering their responses to the whole thing.

[TransientNomad]

Before this debacle, having Bioware on the title meant it was pre-ordered and paid for the day it was announced. However, after all the lies they told us (numbering, what? A dozen?), their silence in the face of complaints, and lack of defense when their fans were being called entitled, whiny ****s for voicing their opinions, Bioware is not so dear to my heart anymore, which feels like I am losing a old friend.

I am not against Bioware. I am not against people enjoying their games. Hell, I enjoyed 99% of ME3! But they lied to us, ignored us for a month (only capitulating when the press started to turn against them and/or EA ordered them to do something), and put out a product that the pre-EA Bioware would not have done until it was finished. Add the From Ashes DLC which was held back to sell later (if you don't believe that, there really is no reasoning with you).

All I ask is for people to look at the facts, and be a responsible consumer. You can't take everything Bioware says now as truth, and you can't trust you are getting the highest quality product from them anymore. Don't allow yourself to be blind, or make excuses for inexcusable ethics. Be a responsible gamer, a responsible consumer. Do that, and we will all benefit from it.

[Salmakia]

I didn't hate the endings because I believe that there is something else. There is a DLC that will explain something. But, as a devoted follower of the IT, if they don't include that explanation, I don't think I'll like it. Chejov's gun, pals...

[Megachaz]

I'll never pre-order another one of their games, that's for sure.  If it really does make the ending good, I'll probably do another series playthrough.

Their PR has been horrendous through all this though, which makes me hesitant to support them.  Compared to CDPR and Funcom, who are releasing The Secret World in June, I can't believe the poor treatment of the fans in a lot of this whole debacle.  On Funcom's boards, the lead designers will frequently come on to answer fans' questions,  give more information about the game, or just joke around with people.  We've seen a whole lot of silence from Bioware's ME3 team, and when they have talked to us, it's been pretty condescending.

[Sohlito]

Will have to wait and see.

Worst case scenario; the ending still makes no cohesive sense and I just stop supporting Bioware.

Best case scenario; they make it work, and I am careful about supporting their future products. No more preorders, that is effectively dead and gone for me, but if word of mouth is largely positive I'll consider a purchase.

Modifié par Sohlito, 09 avril 2012 - 02:56 .