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[Gravbh]

Bioware didn't cave and I still got more mass effect, for free to boot.

Thanks Bioware.

[Nikitn]

Valkyre4 wrote...

I support this move from Bioware myself and I will not join the people condemning this move before even seeing it. It is ridiculous for some people to actually believe there is NO WAY imaginable to explain things in the ending and that there is no chance to be fixed.

you think that a sci fi series based on all sorts of fantastic elements is too hard to be explained? Really? We are talking about a series that has stuff like Project Lazarus, Sentient Machines, FTL communication devices, real time translators, Medi gel which cures everything (only when it is not too dramatic for storytelling...), and lol.... omni tools...

yeah, and out of all that you cannot even fathom how it is possible for some Mass Relays exploding without destroying the universe, or why synthetic logic is unreasonable and retarded when viewed from an organics perspective...

As if Reapers havent stated clearly from the very first game that they do what they do just because they can do it and that we will never understand it.

As if synthetics killing synthetics to prevent them, is so unreasonable and unheard of in human history and the wars it wages for the "reasons it does" (prime examples are almost every civil war, world wars, Iraqi wars etc etc)

So yeah the ending is perfectably fixable, if people remember that they are watching a sci fi series full of unbelievable and unexplained stuff to begin with...

Congratulations, you completely failed to understand what the complaints were about.

Hint: it had nothing to do with space magic, but with contradictions and ridiculous storytelling.

[kbct]

shinyelf wrote...

kbct wrote...

shinyelf wrote...

Im not saying that you are wrong, I'm just concluding that you aren't necessarily correct.

But I am saying you're wrong.

Good joke, but really, you seem to understand the theory just fine so clearly you aren't stupid, which means you are debating it purely for the sake of it(that is cool by the way) but at least we can agree to disagree right?

No harm, no foul. I'm just wondering if you're recalling your stats course or applied stats course from college or if you also have industry experience. Anyway, I'll drop it as long as it's not brought up again.

[shinyelf]

@kbtc
Actually I'm upper secondary school, so I have no industry experience to speak from, I do however believe that since every method has weaknesses it is hard to find a true answer, but I do lean toward the theory of more than 50% of the players wanting a new ending, and if so I don't see any reasons not to indulge them as long as it doesn't take anything from the rest.

Modifié par shinyelf, 10 avril 2012 - 10:16 .

[nycmode75]

Yes I'm sure to thank them, just like the way I'll thank someone who has starved me to death for a month for giving me half a ritz ****** today for dinner

[hoorayforicecream]

shinyelf wrote...

@kbtc
Actually I'm upper secondary school, so I have no industry experience to speak from, I do however believe that since every method has weaknesses it is hard to find a true answer, but I do lean toward the theory of more than 50% of the players wanting a new ending, and if so I don't see any reasons not to indulge them as long as it doesn't take anything from the rest.

Most players don't finish video games. It's highly unlikely that most players would want a new ending if they haven't even seen the old one.

[Heavenly_King]

AWESOME!!! it is nice to know that this great company is even greater.

[Angry Finn]

Tired of complaint threads. Here to support thankful thread.

~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

[kbct]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

shinyelf wrote...

@kbtc
Actually I'm upper secondary school, so I have no industry experience to speak from, I do however believe that since every method has weaknesses it is hard to find a true answer, but I do lean toward the theory of more than 50% of the players wanting a new ending, and if so I don't see any reasons not to indulge them as long as it doesn't take anything from the rest.

Most players don't finish video games. It's highly unlikely that most players would want a new ending if they haven't even seen the old one.

I've seen you post that before, but that's a different subject. We don't know if it differs by company, brand, genre, platform, region, etc.

Got any BioWare specific data?

[hoorayforicecream]

kbct wrote...

I've seen you post that before, but that's a different subject. We don't know if it differs by company, brand, genre, platform, region, etc.

Got any BioWare specific data?

Roughly 50% of players actually finished Mass Effect 2. To prove that a majority of players actually want a new ending, you need to provide evidence that:

#1. Significantly more people finished ME3 than ME2
#2. The vast majority (>90%) of those that finish ME3 want a new ending.

Polls on the BSN are self-selecting and not representative, because gaming forum populations by nature are self-selecting and not representative.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 10 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

I'm....cautiously optimistic about this extended cut. I'll definitely show my appreciation for them making an attempt to address our concerns, but I'm going to hold back most of my praise until I see what they've got.

I'm not expecting miracles like IT or retconning the Catalyst, but maybe a little clarification can help. Here's to hoping!

[hoorayforicecream]

slyguy200 wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

kbct wrote...

I've seen you post that before, but that's a different subject. We don't know if it differs by company, brand, genre, platform, region, etc.

Got any BioWare specific data?

Roughly 50% of players actually finished Mass Effect 2.

What of those waiting for a fix for ME3's ending before continuing.

You think there are a significant number of people waiting for a fix to ME3 before finishing ME2?

[LiquidGrape]

slyguy200 wrote...

What of those waiting for a fix for ME3's ending before continuing.

Do you honestly believe that figure can be even nearly significant enough to warrant attention?

[kbct]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

kbct wrote...

I've seen you post that before, but that's a different subject. We don't know if it differs by company, brand, genre, platform, region, etc.

Got any BioWare specific data?

Roughly 50% of players actually finished Mass Effect 2.

So, why did you lead with the article showing only 10% finish the game? That's clearly a big difference.

By the way, where is the profit? Do you think those people will be pre-ordering or purchasing the collector's edition, DLC, or game related merchandise? Also, it's not a good sign of brand loyalty or for purchasing the next game in the series, right? Maybe a friend recommended the game.

Still, I'll modify my statement to only include those that finished the game.

[hoorayforicecream]

kbct wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

kbct wrote...

I've seen you post that before, but that's a different subject. We don't know if it differs by company, brand, genre, platform, region, etc.

Got any BioWare specific data?

Roughly 50% of players actually finished Mass Effect 2.

So, why did you lead with the article showing only 10% finish the game? That's clearly a big difference.

By the way, where is the profit? Do you think those people will be pre-ordering or purchasing the collector's edition, DLC, or game related merchandise? Also, it's not a good sign of brand loyalty or for purchasing the next game in the series, right? Maybe a friend recommended the game.

Still, I'll modify my statement to only include those that finished the game.

You can rationalize all you like, but you're still just using circumstantial evidence and speculation. Whatever conclusion you draw is still based on your opinion and interpretation of (questionable) evidence.

[kbct]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

You can rationalize all you like, but you're still just using circumstantial evidence and speculation. Whatever conclusion you draw is still based on your opinion and interpretation of (questionable) evidence.

The evidence is not circumstantial nor is it speculative. My original statement was:

"The pro-enders are just the distinct minority. Only 1 in 50 people liked the ending as-is."
 
In order to like or dislike the ending, you need to experience the ending. You are the one that wants to speculate on the percentage that completed the game.

Modifié par kbct, 10 avril 2012 - 11:22 .

[mesmerizedish]

kbct wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

You can rationalize all you like, but you're still just using circumstantial evidence and speculation. Whatever conclusion you draw is still based on your opinion and interpretation of (questionable) evidence.

The evidence is not circumstantial nor is it speculative. My original statement was:

"The pro-enders are just the distinct minority. Only 1 in 50 people liked the ending as-is."
 
In order to like or dislike the ending, you need to experience the ending. You are the one that wants to speculate on the percentage that completed the game.

She's not speculating.

[Wifflebottom]

That's what I wanted most, for your choices to reflect the ending. If they changed the entire ending sequence I'd be fine with that too since I really don't think the Starchild thing fits in Mass Effect but since I'm not the creator of the story I don't think they MUST change their orignial idea because of demands from fans