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[ProtoMan 2.0]

Mass Effect 3 was in most ways an improvement to Mass Effect 2.

The main characters were actually important components of the narrative in
Mass Effect 3, almost none of the main characters are useless to the story, even
Traynor does something to help move the plot forward.
Most of the characters in Mass Effect 2 are useless, you can count all the plot essential characters on one hand.

The missons in Mass Effect 3 were also mostly important events that shape the narrative.
Almost all of the missions in Mass Effect 2 had no main plot relevance at all.

Mass Effect 2's story was barely important to the series' overarching narrative.
Mass Effect 3's story was the embodiment of the series' overarching narrative.

After you had blown through the conversations with your squadmates in ME2 they essentially became dead on the Normandy.
In Mass Effect 3 your squadmates and most of your crewmates always had something to say, only having conversations after specific points in the story and filling the rest of their time with banter ensured that your squadmates had something to say about pretty much anything that happened and you couldn't blow through all their conversations. Having your squadmates do things on the citadel was also a very nice touch.

Mass Effect 3's leveling system, customization options, enemy variety, level design, weapon selection, power selection, pacing and combat is far superior to Mass Effect 2's.

Both games had horrible, yet strangely similar endings, both involve an awkardly implemented entity, a control or destroy choice, multicolor explosion, almost no difference between the multiple endings, an abrupt end.
Mass Effect 2's ending was a bit better though, it fit into the story and it wasn't completely riddled with numerous plot holes, Mass Effect 3's ending however had consequences while ME2's didn't.



(I think both games are excellent, this is just my opinion, excuse my englisch, etc...)

Modifié par ProtoMan 2.0, 09 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[brett0560]

I think there are a few reasons some people like ME2 more than ME3:
1. They hate the ME3 ending.
2. They may like the ME2 companions more (legion, and thane anyone?).
3. They liked visiting and exploring more hub worlds, like omega, not just the citadel.
4. They probably liked the suicide run for ME2 end game, where your choices actually had a huge emotional impact (not saying this isn't also in ME3).
5. This may just be me, but ME2 seemed to have more content.

As for me, I like both equally, and since I haven't finished 3 yet (right at the end, don't want to beat it yet) I shouldn't judge.

Modifié par brett0560, 09 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Kanner]

ME2's level design was incredibly tight. I felt I could just faceroll my way through ME3, more or less.

ME2's story is well defined. The goal is 'stop the collectors' and in the ending you manage to 'stop the collectors'. The 'final decision' you mention doesn't affect that outcome, and the game doesn't suddenly veer off into christian space fantasy territory. You don't 'stop the reapers', you get saddled with a three way choice regarding ALL robots ever anywhere that doesn't make any sense physically, biologically, or mechanically. (Most of the comments from people who like the ending have been around big themes and woogly spiritual stuff, in fact).

ME2 has planet scanning, but it's just a vague aside, analogus to mining in WoW or Skyrim. The actual sidequests are huge and awesome, and the DLC *ADDS* to the game, instead of completing the basic narrative. ME3's planet scanning is the core of their side quest, or galactic readiness, system and is badly implements and deathly dull.

ME2 has awesome boss fights and villians (thresher maw, various combos of YMIR mechs and random other elements, gunships helicopters, and of course the human reaper 'DURRH'). ME3 has Kai Leng (the two worst boss fights in any game anywhere, just about) and... whatever the heck that shooting gallery fail on Rannoch was. There was some fun stuff early on, but the demo gave most of it away. =/

ME3's customisation was utterly dull. Pick the +damage mod and... well, you could more or less ignore the other mod, although extra ammo was nice. ME2 weapon upgrades had a huge effect on performance, and you didn't just have to sit in a menu and buy the same upgrade 5 times to get it done. Nor were you forced to make a non-sensical 'meaningful choice' between an upgraded barrel, bigger ammo clip or better scope. I'll just have all three, thanks.

In short, while the early ME3 game, Tuchanka, the biotic students, and such were good fun, the game falls away sharply in the second half, and the finale doesn't even resemble a Mass Effect game at all.

[phouria]

brett0560 wrote...

I think there are a few reasons some people like ME2 more than ME3:
1. They hate the ME3 ending.
2. They may like the ME2 companions more (legion, and thane anyone?).
3. They liked visiting and exploring more hub worlds, like omega, not just the citadel.
4. They probably liked the suicide run for ME2 end game, where your choices actually had a huge emotional impact (not saying this isn't also in ME3).
5. This may just be me, but ME2 seemed to have more content.

As for me, I like both equally, and since I haven't finished 3 yet (right at the end, don't want to beat it yet) I shouldn't judge.

those 5 reasons pretty much sum how i felt. thanks dood.

[Mmw04014]

The amount of auto dialogue in the game made it impossible for me to roleplay my Shepards. That's far more important to me than any of the other improvements Bioware made, so I will always prefer ME2.

[jtrook]

edit:Sorry computer glitch made me double post. read below

Modifié par jtrook, 09 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[jtrook]

In ME2 there was richer character development. Also in ME2 you saw squaddies weren't always friends and people clashed unlike ME3. ME3, the squad could feel stagnate. They had lost dynamics. Shepard seemed more human in ME3 with his/her outbursts and doubts but everyone else except Liara and Cortez, seemed almost unaffected by what was happening around them. While ME2 did have a lot of seemingly irrelevant side missions, those missions gave us more light into who we are dealing with and what those character's issues are. Plus I'm Jtrook and this is my favorite meme on the citadel

[Jerjud45]

My personal favorite is Mass Effect 1 to be honest.

[Banelash]

I'm gonna have to stop you on the ending at least. The ending of ME2, is in the middle of the trilogy, so its understandable that it has to be open ended.

Now if you are talking about the final cutscene, ME2 still wins because its cutscenes are varied based on who died. I even have one where shepard is dead. And it reflects your decisions, unlike ME3 where it didn't reflect a single of your decisions. all that build up of EMS, you still get the same thing even if you try to not get high EMS. At the most you can't choose synth. Not convinced? Try this. Ignore the genophage cure, kill mordin. Then when you get confronted by wrex, he will say he is pulling out the troops and letting humans go extinct. Now look at the final mission. oh look, EMS still has krogans and cutscenes in the missions still has krogans.

Second, the amazing part of ME2 was its final mission.

Once you go through the omega 4 relay, that is where ME2 shined. All your loyalty missions, all your upgrades actually helps in keeping your squad and you alive. If you wanna compare ME3 final mission in London, to ME2 suicide mission, it is obvious ME2 wins hands down.

[Mmw04014]

Jerjud45 wrote...

My personal favorite is Mass Effect 1 to be honest.

Me too. Sometimes I wish I could pretend that Mass Effect had just stopped there. Ah well.

[metawanderer]

I thought Mass Effect 3 did everything better than Mass Effect 2 with one exception. The last level. I thought that the Suicide Mission was much more climatic than the London level. I was a bit disappointed that you could not control your army like you would in the Suicide Mission where you assigned different roles for you squad and if you made a wrong choice, drastic consequences would happen. Other than the last level, I think Mass Effect 3 is the best in the series.

[Richard 060]

- Better animations. Really surprised at how clunky things like running were in ME3.

- Lots more character-driven moments. Tuchanka was fantastic in ME3, as was Grissom Academy (thanks to Patrick Weekes for both of those, btw!), but they were the exception, not the rule.

- Greater amount of squadmate interaction - squadmates felt cut down to Kasumi/Zaeed level in ME3. Also, more squadmates with greater variations of power combinations - allowed for much more personalisation of gameplay.

- Little stupid details that were nonetheless welcome - shutters/windows/garbage disposal on the Normandy, the Tupari machine, Elcor Hamlet, etc. Helped make it feel like a living, breathing universe.

- HUBS! From Omega, to Ilium, via Tuchanka and elsewhere, it was nice to have a range of non-combat zones to explore and drink in. Especially post endgame - being able to just 'sight-see' was fun.

- Better pacing. The 'episodic' nature of the missions almost felt like a TV series, with just enough to give a satisfying mini-story for each sitting. Again, the better moments in ME3 also do this, but there aren't as many as in 2.

- Sidequests were more varied. ME1 had identical underground bases. ME3 has re-purposed multiplayer maps. ME2's N7 missions had a lot of variety in tone (not all of them were combat), plus plenty of unique vistas to enjoy along the way.

- Combat/non-combat gameplay was better integrated. This is partly why people complained about the lack of a 'holster' function - it's fair to say that in ME3, there's a very obvious split between combat (guns out, armour equipped) and non-combat (guns away, casual outfit), where in ME2, you could be talking to someone, get ambushed, and suddenly it's a combat situation, or vice versa.

- The Suicide Mission - or 'how to do an ending that can range from total victory to complete disaster, and every moment feels both epic and important. Even the giant terminator... '.

[Motherurck]

Mass Effect 2 had more side missions that weren't fetch quests, more team mates that were great, the ending was better, felt longer in the long run, and no multiplayer that is required to get the "best" ending.

[Kanner]

The giant terminator was at least hilarious and stupid, instead of aggrievating and stupid. =)

[MingWolf]

-Better side-quests
-Better dialogue from NPCs
-Good character development
-Variety of enemies
-Minigames
-Get to blow up pyjaks on tuchunka

[Cobra5]

When ME2 came out the general consensus was ME1 was the best.

And now that ME3 is out, most people (not all) think ME2 is best.

[BKnight3]

metawanderer wrote...

I thought Mass Effect 3 did everything better than Mass Effect 2 with one exception. The last level. I thought that the Suicide Mission was much more climatic than the London level. I was a bit disappointed that you could not control your army like you would in the Suicide Mission where you assigned different roles for you squad and if you made a wrong choice, drastic consequences would happen. Other than the last level, I think Mass Effect 3 is the best in the series.

Agreed on battlefield decisions.

ME2 you gathered a team, helped/influenced teammates, constructed a plan, and reacted to combat challenges.

ME3 you get things and mindlessly throw them at the enemy like a kid crashing Matchbox cars.

[Cainne Chapel]

The consensus changes every new release apparently.

Hell I liked all 3, but it is funny how the opinion here (general opinion anyway) ebbs and flows.

It is interesting to see however.

ME1- I liked as it was the introduction to a new universe and had a great story and villain.
ME2- loved the characters and the increased gunplay that wasn't god mode.
ME3- loved the various arcs and resolutions, loved the squad interaction and loved the gunplay even more than ME2 as I felt shepard is a lot more agile now.

But at the end of the day I couldnt enjoy each subsequent release near as much if it wasn't for the preceding game. So they're all intertwined in my eyes.

[Cainne Chapel]

BKnight3 wrote...

metawanderer wrote...

I thought Mass Effect 3 did everything better than Mass Effect 2 with one exception. The last level. I thought that the Suicide Mission was much more climatic than the London level. I was a bit disappointed that you could not control your army like you would in the Suicide Mission where you assigned different roles for you squad and if you made a wrong choice, drastic consequences would happen. Other than the last level, I think Mass Effect 3 is the best in the series.

Agreed on battlefield decisions.

ME2 you gathered a team, helped/influenced teammates, constructed a plan, and reacted to combat challenges.

ME3 you get things and mindlessly throw them at the enemy like a kid crashing Matchbox cars.

I would imagine even though shepard gathered the fleets the reason he didn't actually command them is he may not have much history or practice with large scale battle tactics like hackett does.

That and as good as he is, he's actively needed on the front lines cuz...that's just the kinda soldier shepard is.  He stares reapers down and kicks tail.

[Faust1979]

When Mass Effect 2 was first released there was a lot of hate towards it maybe like half the board was split down the middle. There was a lot of hate towards the first ME game to when it first came out.

[metawanderer]

Faust1979 wrote...

When Mass Effect 2 was first released there was a lot of hate towards it maybe like half the board was split down the middle. There was a lot of hate towards the first ME game to when it first came out.

I remember all the hate on the boards when KOTOR first came out because it was only 40 hrs and it came out on Xbox first before PC.  My, how time flies!

[OutlawTorn6806]

Its because most of the ME1 fans left after the disaster that was ME2. ME 2 was a lackluster and awfully put together Mass Effect game. The companions were so stereotypical, the combat was so dumbed down, and all the combat was basically linear. Nearly all the setpieces were so small in scope.

Don't even get me started on the pacing. ME 2 was a game that felt like it never left the launch pad till about 10 minutes into the last mission. And what happened to all the great RPG elements?Gone. Graphics? Minorly improved. Storytelling? Nonexistent.

ME 3 was everything ME2 should've been, minus the ending. If it weren't for ME 3, I wouldn't consider my self a Mass Effect fan after ME2.

[SlyTF1]

I like ME3 better but the ending sucked and there's less exploration, less characters, and less time to get to know the characters that you do get. I can see how people would like ME2 better, but I like ME3 slightly more because the gameplay was slightly improved.