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[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

[Gigamantis]

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

It's not a lie because there were more than 3 possible endings and your decisions up to and including that point were what decided which endings were available.  It's insignificant because the amount of endings available is a very small part of the actual game. 

You're overreacting because you're one of the horrible, reactionary fans who will complain about anything.  There are a ton of you and you're all collectively an extremely loud and irritating group, but sheer numbers don't change what you are.  Again, I can't wait to see what it is with DA3.  It'll definitely be something.  Maybe you'll get swindled out of some more charity money over it. 

[InvincibleHero]

PiEman wrote...

{curses removed}"you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

You don't always have three choices and those choices are modified by EMS score so you are making a flawed argument. There are also different scenarios as to who dies pre-choice that makes it different. So gross micharacterization = fail argument.

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

It's not a lie because there were more than 3 possible endings and your decisions up to and including that point were what decided which endings were available.  It's insignificant because the amount of endings available is a very small part of the actual game. 

You're overreacting because you're one of the horrible, reactionary fans who will complain about anything.  There are a ton of you and you're all collectively an extremely loud and irritating group, but sheer numbers don't change what you are.  Again, I can't wait to see what it is with DA3.  It'll definitely be something.  Maybe you'll get swindled out of some more charity money over it. 

Bull****. Three endings, three colors. Four if you count the one where everything explodes.

Regardless, they do ignore your choices throughout the game, which Bioware said would not happen. Let's not even get into what they said about the rachni a week before release.

I'm reacting perfectly reasonably, because douches like you keep coming in with your superiority complex, and saying it's perfectly fine to let large corporations bend you over because you don't feel like doing anything about it. For the fifty thousandth time, if I went to an ice cream shop, ordered chocolate ice cream, and somebody **** in my cone instead, I would be slightly upset. A little more upset if the guy who gave me the ****cone called it artistic integrity.

[PiEman]

InvincibleHero wrote...

PiEman wrote...

{curses removed}"you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

You don't always have three choices and those choices are modified by EMS score so you are making a flawed argument. There are also different scenarios as to who dies pre-choice that makes it different. So gross micharacterization = fail argument.

And you. You, I can't stand. Same with the Razman and especially Father Jeruselum.

You're using the same PR speak Bioware is. That is one quote that's a bit more specific, but there are at least a dozen others (I think one was posted in another thread a few minutes ago) from other devs saying that there will be divergent endings based on choices. Three general possibilites with essentially the same single cutscene, is not wildly divergent.

[Gigamantis]

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

It's not a lie because there were more than 3 possible endings and your decisions up to and including that point were what decided which endings were available.  It's insignificant because the amount of endings available is a very small part of the actual game. 

You're overreacting because you're one of the horrible, reactionary fans who will complain about anything.  There are a ton of you and you're all collectively an extremely loud and irritating group, but sheer numbers don't change what you are.  Again, I can't wait to see what it is with DA3.  It'll definitely be something.  Maybe you'll get swindled out of some more charity money over it. 

Bull****. Three endings, three colors. Four if you count the one where everything explodes.

Regardless, they do ignore your choices throughout the game, which Bioware said would not happen. Let's not even get into what they said about the rachni a week before release.

I'm reacting perfectly reasonably, because douches like you keep coming in with your superiority complex, and saying it's perfectly fine to let large corporations bend you over because you don't feel like doing anything about it. For the fifty thousandth time, if I went to an ice cream shop, ordered chocolate ice cream, and somebody **** in my cone instead, I would be slightly upset. A little more upset if the guy who gave me the ****cone called it artistic integrity.

You weren't lied to and all of your choices weren't ignored.  You EMS was the biggest determining factor which was effected by countless things you did throughout the game.  

If you were expecting more I can understand being a little upset, but this whole retake movement is garbage and you look like a fool.  You're absolutely, 100% overreacting to something insignificant and there will be something equally insignificant in DA3 for you to fight some inane war against. 

You people don't know how to pick your battles and you don't know what a reasonable reaction is.  You're a running joke that acts as a moderate source of entertainment for normal gamers. 

[Gigamantis]

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Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

It's not a lie because there were more than 3 possible endings and your decisions up to and including that point were what decided which endings were available.  It's insignificant because the amount of endings available is a very small part of the actual game. 

You're overreacting because you're one of the horrible, reactionary fans who will complain about anything.  There are a ton of you and you're all collectively an extremely loud and irritating group, but sheer numbers don't change what you are.  Again, I can't wait to see what it is with DA3.  It'll definitely be something.  Maybe you'll get swindled out of some more charity money over it. 

Bull****. Three endings, three colors. Four if you count the one where everything explodes.

Regardless, they do ignore your choices throughout the game, which Bioware said would not happen. Let's not even get into what they said about the rachni a week before release.

I'm reacting perfectly reasonably, because douches like you keep coming in with your superiority complex, and saying it's perfectly fine to let large corporations bend you over because you don't feel like doing anything about it. For the fifty thousandth time, if I went to an ice cream shop, ordered chocolate ice cream, and somebody **** in my cone instead, I would be slightly upset. A little more upset if the guy who gave me the ****cone called it artistic integrity.

You weren't lied to and all of your choices weren't ignored.  You EMS was the biggest determining factor which was effected by countless things you did throughout the game.  

If you were expecting more I can understand being a little upset, but this whole retake movement is garbage and you look like a fool.  You're absolutely, 100% overreacting to something insignificant and there will be something equally insignificant in DA3 for you to fight some inane war against. 

You people don't know how to pick your battles and you don't know what a reasonable reaction is.  You're a running joke that acts as a moderate source of entertainment for normal gamers. 

Once again, that's not true and you know it. Look at Tuchanka, and look at Rannoch. Those missions did take previous choices into account, and those were not based on a number like EMS is.

The red, blue, and green endings of Mass Effect three do not take any specified decisions into account at all, throughout the whole series. You hardly even get to speak at that point. It doesn't matter who survived Virmire. It doesn't matter if you saved the Rachni Queen or killed it. It doesn't even matter if you chose whether or not to cure the genophage. All of those choices are relegated to a number that determines a slight difference in two of the three endings that result as a consequence of the very last decision and that number. Nothing else.

The fact that you can kill the Geth off in one game, and the Quarians in another, and get the exact same ending if you pick the last option and have the right EMS score, is a slap in the face to everyone who had some hope for this trilogy.

[Il Divo]

InvincibleHero wrote...

PiEman wrote...

{curses removed}"you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

You don't always have three choices and those choices are modified by EMS score so you are making a flawed argument. There are also different scenarios as to who dies pre-choice that makes it different. So gross micharacterization = fail argument.

So instead of A-B-C, occasionally it's A-B? Clearly they upheld their end of the bargain.

[Gigamantis]

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

It's not a lie because there were more than 3 possible endings and your decisions up to and including that point were what decided which endings were available.  It's insignificant because the amount of endings available is a very small part of the actual game. 

You're overreacting because you're one of the horrible, reactionary fans who will complain about anything.  There are a ton of you and you're all collectively an extremely loud and irritating group, but sheer numbers don't change what you are.  Again, I can't wait to see what it is with DA3.  It'll definitely be something.  Maybe you'll get swindled out of some more charity money over it. 

Bull****. Three endings, three colors. Four if you count the one where everything explodes.

Regardless, they do ignore your choices throughout the game, which Bioware said would not happen. Let's not even get into what they said about the rachni a week before release.

I'm reacting perfectly reasonably, because douches like you keep coming in with your superiority complex, and saying it's perfectly fine to let large corporations bend you over because you don't feel like doing anything about it. For the fifty thousandth time, if I went to an ice cream shop, ordered chocolate ice cream, and somebody **** in my cone instead, I would be slightly upset. A little more upset if the guy who gave me the ****cone called it artistic integrity.

You weren't lied to and all of your choices weren't ignored.  You EMS was the biggest determining factor which was effected by countless things you did throughout the game.  

If you were expecting more I can understand being a little upset, but this whole retake movement is garbage and you look like a fool.  You're absolutely, 100% overreacting to something insignificant and there will be something equally insignificant in DA3 for you to fight some inane war against. 

You people don't know how to pick your battles and you don't know what a reasonable reaction is.  You're a running joke that acts as a moderate source of entertainment for normal gamers. 

Once again, that's not true and you know it. Look at Tuchanka, and look at Rannoch. Those missions did take previous choices into account, and those were not based on a number like EMS is.

The red, blue, and green endings of Mass Effect three do not take any specified decisions into account at all, throughout the whole series. You hardly even get to speak at that point. It doesn't matter who survived Virmire. It doesn't matter if you saved the Rachni Queen or killed it. It doesn't even matter if you chose whether or not to cure the genophage. All of those choices are relegated to a number that determines a slight difference in two of the three endings that result as a consequence of the very last decision and that number. Nothing else.

The fact that you can kill the Geth off in one game, and the Quarians in another, and get the exact same ending if you pick the last option and have the right EMS score, is a slap in the face to everyone who had some hope for this trilogy.

I heard you the first time.  The choices didn't matter ENOUGH for you.  Bioware just promised you they would matter; you weren't lied to. 

I already said you have a right to be disappointed if you were expecting more, but your garbage movement and your emotional extremes just make you sound like an invalid.  I'll repeat, you don't know how to pick your battles and you don't know what a reasonable response is.  Bioware's fans seem to be inherently prone to this kind of thing and they get worse with each release.  Stop trying to deny it and acting like this was actually the greatest injustice in gaming history; like the reaction would indicate. 

[InvincibleHero]

Il Divo wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

PiEman wrote...

{curses removed}"you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

You don't always have three choices and those choices are modified by EMS score so you are making a flawed argument. There are also different scenarios as to who dies pre-choice that makes it different. So gross mischaracterization = fail argument.

So instead of A-B-C, occasionally it's A-B? Clearly they upheld their end of the bargain.

No not even the a,b, and c have the same outcome. Not going to risk doing spoilers, but you know what is meant. it is not just the end choice of which you might have 1-3 available. You had different results working to that poiint and base on EMS after you pick. All those variables make many combination I am not sure about sixteen but more than 10. Whether or not it makes a difference is up to you.

[GoBioWareGo]

We were promised drastically different endings. A few colors and a scene of big ben blowing up or not isn't drastically different.

[Rafe34]

brett0560 wrote...

I think there are a few reasons some people like ME2 more than ME3:
1. They hate the ME3 ending.
2. They may like the ME2 companions more (legion, and thane anyone?).
3. They liked visiting and exploring more hub worlds, like omega, not just the citadel.
4. They probably liked the suicide run for ME2 end game, where your choices actually had a huge emotional impact (not saying this isn't also in ME3). 
5. This may just be me, but ME2 seemed to have more content.

As for me, I like both equally, and since I haven't finished 3 yet (right at the end, don't want to beat it yet) I shouldn't judge.

/end thread.

By the way, brett. don't beat it. Just end it when Anderson and Shep sit down, (hope that's not really a spoiler as you won't know what I mean till you get there), and go find an alternate ending.

[Il Divo]

InvincibleHero wrote...

No not even the a,b, and c have the same outcome. Not going to risk doing spoilers, but you know what is meant. it is not just the end choice of which you might have 1-3 available. You had different results working to that poiint and base on EMS after you pick. All those variables make many combination I am not sure about sixteen but more than 10. Whether or not it makes a difference is up to you.

Probably about as much of a stretch as is possible. EMS can be summed up in a three second cut-scene either showing Big Ben being destroyed or marines cheering. Is this enough to drag Bioware to court? Definitely not, nor would I be interested in the first place. But it does throw all claims of "wildly different consequences" and non A-B-C choice in the garbage. EMS could be summed up in a number, which they apparently didn't care about enough to give an actual role.

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

How in the sweet, holy, mother of **** are statements like "you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

Seriously, I'm about ready to tear out somebody's throat through their ass at this point. It's absolutely infuriating that anyone would support Bioware in this, like you are.

It's not a lie because there were more than 3 possible endings and your decisions up to and including that point were what decided which endings were available.  It's insignificant because the amount of endings available is a very small part of the actual game. 

You're overreacting because you're one of the horrible, reactionary fans who will complain about anything.  There are a ton of you and you're all collectively an extremely loud and irritating group, but sheer numbers don't change what you are.  Again, I can't wait to see what it is with DA3.  It'll definitely be something.  Maybe you'll get swindled out of some more charity money over it. 

Bull****. Three endings, three colors. Four if you count the one where everything explodes.

Regardless, they do ignore your choices throughout the game, which Bioware said would not happen. Let's not even get into what they said about the rachni a week before release.

I'm reacting perfectly reasonably, because douches like you keep coming in with your superiority complex, and saying it's perfectly fine to let large corporations bend you over because you don't feel like doing anything about it. For the fifty thousandth time, if I went to an ice cream shop, ordered chocolate ice cream, and somebody **** in my cone instead, I would be slightly upset. A little more upset if the guy who gave me the ****cone called it artistic integrity.

You weren't lied to and all of your choices weren't ignored.  You EMS was the biggest determining factor which was effected by countless things you did throughout the game.  

If you were expecting more I can understand being a little upset, but this whole retake movement is garbage and you look like a fool.  You're absolutely, 100% overreacting to something insignificant and there will be something equally insignificant in DA3 for you to fight some inane war against. 

You people don't know how to pick your battles and you don't know what a reasonable reaction is.  You're a running joke that acts as a moderate source of entertainment for normal gamers. 

Once again, that's not true and you know it. Look at Tuchanka, and look at Rannoch. Those missions did take previous choices into account, and those were not based on a number like EMS is.

The red, blue, and green endings of Mass Effect three do not take any specified decisions into account at all, throughout the whole series. You hardly even get to speak at that point. It doesn't matter who survived Virmire. It doesn't matter if you saved the Rachni Queen or killed it. It doesn't even matter if you chose whether or not to cure the genophage. All of those choices are relegated to a number that determines a slight difference in two of the three endings that result as a consequence of the very last decision and that number. Nothing else.

The fact that you can kill the Geth off in one game, and the Quarians in another, and get the exact same ending if you pick the last option and have the right EMS score, is a slap in the face to everyone who had some hope for this trilogy.

I heard you the first time.  The choices didn't matter ENOUGH for you.  Bioware just promised you they would matter; you weren't lied to. 

I already said you have a right to be disappointed if you were expecting more, but your garbage movement and your emotional extremes just make you sound like an invalid.  I'll repeat, you don't know how to pick your battles and you don't know what a reasonable response is.  Bioware's fans seem to be inherently prone to this kind of thing and they get worse with each release.  Stop trying to deny it and acting like this was actually the greatest injustice in gaming history; like the reaction would indicate. 

Apparently, you didn't hear me. The CHOICES didn't matter, the NUMBER mattered. And it didn't even matter that much.

And stop with the "I don't care about gaming, so my opinion is more valid than yours" superiority complex. There have been plenty of well thought-out, constructive arguments written on what is wrong with the ending, and evidence pointing to why it is a lie. No, I'm not as good at making arguments as the people who have made those posts, but I'm really too sick and tired of this to care about that.

I can't understand this obsession with allowing corporate greed and crappy narrative to go on. Not to mention the Retake movement is unique, in that it's not demanding alternative endings for a linear work like a traditional book or movie. The idea is to recieve what was promised, and advertised, and talked about since day one. Multiple, diverse, and distinctive endings based on actual choices throughout the entire series. NOT the same cutscene rehashed three or four times based on a number and the very last decision made.

[Rafe34]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

PiEman wrote...

{curses removed}"you will not recieve an ABC ending" before giving an ABC ending, not a lie, and insignificant?

You don't always have three choices and those choices are modified by EMS score so you are making a flawed argument. There are also different scenarios as to who dies pre-choice that makes it different. So gross mischaracterization = fail argument.

So instead of A-B-C, occasionally it's A-B? Clearly they upheld their end of the bargain.

No not even the a,b, and c have the same outcome. Not going to risk doing spoilers, but you know what is meant. it is not just the end choice of which you might have 1-3 available. You had different results working to that poiint and base on EMS after you pick. All those variables make many combination I am not sure about sixteen but more than 10. Whether or not it makes a difference is up to you.

Nope, there are six. Maximum of eight if you really stretch it. And that's still bull****.

[Gigamantis]

Apparently, you didn't hear me. The CHOICES didn't matter, the NUMBER mattered. And it didn't even matter that much.

And stop with the "I don't care about gaming, so my opinion is more valid than yours" superiority complex. There have been plenty of well thought-out, constructive arguments written on what is wrong with the ending, and evidence pointing to why it is a lie. No, I'm not as good at making arguments as the people who have made those posts, but I'm really too sick and tired of this to care about that.

I can't understand this obsession with allowing corporate greed and crappy narrative to go on. Not to mention the Retake movement is unique, in that it's not demanding alternative endings for a linear work like a traditional book or movie. The idea is to recieve what was promised, and advertised, and talked about since day one. Multiple, diverse, and distinctive endings based on actual choices throughout the entire series. NOT the same cutscene rehashed three or four times based on a number and the very last decision made.

Your choices effect the number and the number effects the endings.  Not ALL of your choices mattered, some of the big ones had negligible impacts, but that's a DISAPPOINTMENT not a LIE.  

I haven't heard any constructive arguments proving it's a lie.  I've heard some well constructed OPINIONS and SPECULATION, that weren't just flamebait like 99% of the movement, but no proof and no solid logic.  Saying you were lied to just lets you people falsely make grandiose claims about fraud and false advertisement to dramatise your insignificant drivel. 

You fell prey to some hype that didn't deliver; that's all this was and it happens every hour of your life.  You try to make this into something more because clearly you have too much free time and lack emotional stability.  The retake movement attempts to make it more to con the most gullible and irrational of you out of money for charities the founder supports.  You're not a crusader for something important, but keep pretending you are.  It's hilarious. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

Apparently, you didn't hear me. The CHOICES didn't matter, the NUMBER mattered. And it didn't even matter that much.

And stop with the "I don't care about gaming, so my opinion is more valid than yours" superiority complex. There have been plenty of well thought-out, constructive arguments written on what is wrong with the ending, and evidence pointing to why it is a lie. No, I'm not as good at making arguments as the people who have made those posts, but I'm really too sick and tired of this to care about that.

I can't understand this obsession with allowing corporate greed and crappy narrative to go on. Not to mention the Retake movement is unique, in that it's not demanding alternative endings for a linear work like a traditional book or movie. The idea is to recieve what was promised, and advertised, and talked about since day one. Multiple, diverse, and distinctive endings based on actual choices throughout the entire series. NOT the same cutscene rehashed three or four times based on a number and the very last decision made.

Your choices effect the number and the number effects the endings.  Not ALL of your choices mattered, some of the big ones had negligible impacts, but that's a DISAPPOINTMENT not a LIE.  

I haven't heard any constructive arguments proving it's a lie.  I've heard some well constructed OPINIONS and SPECULATION, that weren't just flamebait like 99% of the movement, but no proof and no solid logic.  Saying you were lied to just lets you people falsely make grandiose claims about fraud and false advertisement to dramatise your insignificant drivel. 

You fell pray to some hype that didn't deliver; that's all this was and it happens every hour of your life.  You try to make this into something more because clearly you have too much free time and lack emotional stability.  The retake movement attempts to make it more to con the most gullible and irrational of you out of money for charities the founder supports.  You're not a crusader for something important, but keep pretending you are.  It's hilarious. 

The point is, any choice at all just adds up to an arbitrary number that has nothing to do with the tone of your decisions. A full Renegade and full Paragon can play through the whole series, and as long as they have the same score and make the same final choice, they get the exact same ending. Hell, if they don't have the same score, and don't make the same final choice, they always get a similar ending with different colors, no matter what they choose.

There are posts on this forum that could qualify as a University level essay as to why Bioware lied. The flamebaiting is usually locked, but most of these posts are not. They're around here somewhere, and I'll try to find them.

And you keep saying we are gullible enough to be conned out of our money. As you support a company that falsely advertised something for FIVE YEARS and have no problem it. All you're doing is trying to trivialize the opposition while using a big vocabulary, and laughing at it the whole time.

[Gigamantis]

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Apparently, you didn't hear me. The CHOICES didn't matter, the NUMBER mattered. And it didn't even matter that much.

And stop with the "I don't care about gaming, so my opinion is more valid than yours" superiority complex. There have been plenty of well thought-out, constructive arguments written on what is wrong with the ending, and evidence pointing to why it is a lie. No, I'm not as good at making arguments as the people who have made those posts, but I'm really too sick and tired of this to care about that.

I can't understand this obsession with allowing corporate greed and crappy narrative to go on. Not to mention the Retake movement is unique, in that it's not demanding alternative endings for a linear work like a traditional book or movie. The idea is to recieve what was promised, and advertised, and talked about since day one. Multiple, diverse, and distinctive endings based on actual choices throughout the entire series. NOT the same cutscene rehashed three or four times based on a number and the very last decision made.

Your choices effect the number and the number effects the endings.  Not ALL of your choices mattered, some of the big ones had negligible impacts, but that's a DISAPPOINTMENT not a LIE.  

I haven't heard any constructive arguments proving it's a lie.  I've heard some well constructed OPINIONS and SPECULATION, that weren't just flamebait like 99% of the movement, but no proof and no solid logic.  Saying you were lied to just lets you people falsely make grandiose claims about fraud and false advertisement to dramatise your insignificant drivel. 

You fell pray to some hype that didn't deliver; that's all this was and it happens every hour of your life.  You try to make this into something more because clearly you have too much free time and lack emotional stability.  The retake movement attempts to make it more to con the most gullible and irrational of you out of money for charities the founder supports.  You're not a crusader for something important, but keep pretending you are.  It's hilarious. 

The point is, any choice at all just adds up to an arbitrary number that has nothing to do with the tone of your decisions. A full Renegade and full Paragon can play through the whole series, and as long as they have the same score and make the same final choice, they get the exact same ending. Hell, if they don't have the same score, and don't make the same final choice, they always get a similar ending with different colors, no matter what they choose.

There are posts on this forum that could qualify as a University level essay as to why Bioware lied. The flamebaiting is usually locked, but most of these posts are not. They're around here somewhere, and I'll try to find them.

And you keep saying we are gullible enough to be conned out of our money. As you support a company that falsely advertised something for FIVE YEARS and have no problem it. All you're doing is trying to trivialize the opposition while using a big vocabulary, and laughing at it the whole time.

It's your job to keep with the tone of your decisions in your final decision.  They never promised to make that decision for you by tallying your paragon and renegade points.  Your decisions on what to collect and who to help effected your EMS which effected the possible endings.  You weren't promised anything more.

I've read those posts and they were all opinion pieces with no proof.  A well constructed opinion is still an opinion.  You don't have a case for fraud because you weren't lied to.  Take one of those "university level essays" to a lawyer if you want proof.

I support a company that made a fantastic game.  I stopped taking hype 100% literally after every action movie commercial promised to blow me out of my seat.   If Bioware stops making great games I'll stop supporting them.  Life is pretty easy when you aren't an insufferable jerk over every insignificant thing.  

[PiEman]

Gigamantis wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Apparently, you didn't hear me. The CHOICES didn't matter, the NUMBER mattered. And it didn't even matter that much.

And stop with the "I don't care about gaming, so my opinion is more valid than yours" superiority complex. There have been plenty of well thought-out, constructive arguments written on what is wrong with the ending, and evidence pointing to why it is a lie. No, I'm not as good at making arguments as the people who have made those posts, but I'm really too sick and tired of this to care about that.

I can't understand this obsession with allowing corporate greed and crappy narrative to go on. Not to mention the Retake movement is unique, in that it's not demanding alternative endings for a linear work like a traditional book or movie. The idea is to recieve what was promised, and advertised, and talked about since day one. Multiple, diverse, and distinctive endings based on actual choices throughout the entire series. NOT the same cutscene rehashed three or four times based on a number and the very last decision made.

Your choices effect the number and the number effects the endings.  Not ALL of your choices mattered, some of the big ones had negligible impacts, but that's a DISAPPOINTMENT not a LIE.  

I haven't heard any constructive arguments proving it's a lie.  I've heard some well constructed OPINIONS and SPECULATION, that weren't just flamebait like 99% of the movement, but no proof and no solid logic.  Saying you were lied to just lets you people falsely make grandiose claims about fraud and false advertisement to dramatise your insignificant drivel. 

You fell pray to some hype that didn't deliver; that's all this was and it happens every hour of your life.  You try to make this into something more because clearly you have too much free time and lack emotional stability.  The retake movement attempts to make it more to con the most gullible and irrational of you out of money for charities the founder supports.  You're not a crusader for something important, but keep pretending you are.  It's hilarious. 

The point is, any choice at all just adds up to an arbitrary number that has nothing to do with the tone of your decisions. A full Renegade and full Paragon can play through the whole series, and as long as they have the same score and make the same final choice, they get the exact same ending. Hell, if they don't have the same score, and don't make the same final choice, they always get a similar ending with different colors, no matter what they choose.

There are posts on this forum that could qualify as a University level essay as to why Bioware lied. The flamebaiting is usually locked, but most of these posts are not. They're around here somewhere, and I'll try to find them.

And you keep saying we are gullible enough to be conned out of our money. As you support a company that falsely advertised something for FIVE YEARS and have no problem it. All you're doing is trying to trivialize the opposition while using a big vocabulary, and laughing at it the whole time.

It's your job to keep with the tone of your decisions in your final decision.  They never promised to make that decision for you by tallying your paragon and renegade points.  Your decisions on what to collect and who to help effected your EMS which effected the possible endings.  You weren't promised anything more.

I've read those posts and they were all opinion pieces with no proof.  A well constructed opinion is still an opinion.  You don't have a case for fraud because you weren't lied to.  Take one of those "university level essays" to a lawyer if you want proof.

I support a company that made a fantastic game.  I stopped taking hype 100% literally after every action movie commercial promised to blow me out of my seat.   If Bioware stops making great games I'll stop supporting them.  Life is pretty easy when you aren't an insufferable jerk over every insignificant thing.  

It is my job to keep with the tone of my decisions with the final decision. However, some diversity, ANY DIVERSITY, in what results from it would be nice. Even if the results are implied to be wildly different, the cutscene shown is almost identical in every case. Even if they weren't, they should at least have some kind of hint as to the choices that were made throughout the game, instead of showing essentially the same scenes no matter what happens.

They had plenty of proof. Quotes straight from the lips of the developers and the old leaked ending are proof. What more proof do you need? They literally went directly against every word they said, and you continue defending them because the colors are a little different.

There's a difference between promising to "blow you out of your seat" and "taking specific choices into consideration when making the game's ending". It seems like Bioware is beginning to stop making great games anyway. DA2, and now the ending of Mass Effect 3.

And you know what, life is pretty okay for me, because I don't fit that description. What about you? You haven't proven to me otherwise in any post I've ever seen you make on this site.

[InvincibleHero]

PiEman wrote...

The point is, any choice at all just adds up to an arbitrary number that has nothing to do with the tone of your decisions. A full Renegade and full Paragon can play through the whole series, and as long as they have the same score and make the same final choice, they get the exact same ending. Hell, if they don't have the same score, and don't make the same final choice, they always get a similar ending with different colors, no matter what they choose.

There are posts on this forum that could qualify as a University level essay as to why Bioware lied. The flamebaiting is usually locked, but most of these posts are not. They're around here somewhere, and I'll try to find them.

And you keep saying we are gullible enough to be conned out of our money. As you support a company that falsely advertised something for FIVE YEARS and have no problem it. All you're doing is trying to trivialize the opposition while using a big vocabulary, and laughing at it the whole time.

So your point of contention is what renegades should somehow have less asssets and be gimped? So what if they can get the same points and same ending. Do you want ren fail and para win?

You don't get it all games ended the same regardless of what p/r chocies you made throughout you came down to 2 choices. At least ME3 has 3 plus some variations where there were none in the others.

The problem is BW should have just ended ME 3 with no active player choice and there would be no plotholes. They stretched to give different outcomes when it just stretched credulity. Yet people are saying just add another ending I like and we're good. Really?

[Gigamantis]

It is my job to keep with the tone of my decisions with the final
decision. However, some diversity, ANY DIVERSITY, in what results from
it would be nice. Even if the results are implied to be wildly
different, the cutscene shown is almost identical in every case. Even if
they weren't, they should at least have some kind of hint as to the
choices that were made throughout the game, instead of showing
essentially the same scenes no matter what happens.

They had
plenty of proof. Quotes straight from the lips of the developers and the
old leaked ending are proof. What more proof do you need? They
literally went directly against every word they said, and you continue
defending them because the colors are a little different.

There's
a difference between promising to "blow you out of your seat" and
"taking specific choices into consideration when making the game's
ending". It seems like Bioware is beginning to stop making great games
anyway. DA2, and now the ending of Mass Effect 3.

And you know
what, life is pretty okay for me, because I don't fit that description.
What about you? You haven't proven to me otherwise in any post I've ever
seen you make on this site.

They weren't the same scenes or the same ending.  All of the endings were technically different and influenced by your decisions so YOU WEREN'T LIED TO.  That's pretty much it. 

First off, quotes of development goals aren't promises, they're GOALS.  Things can change at any point in development and any idiot who's ever followed a video game knows that.  Second off, they technically delivered what they said they would; varied endings influenced by your decisions.  I haven't heard you state and defend even one instance that was technically a lie. 

I enjoyed the game and I'll enjoy DA3 if it's good as well.  I don't become emotionally damaged when games don't end how I wanted them to and I don't get scammed by online troll movements.  I'm glad you're happy with your life despite your problems. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Ck213]

cyclopsgd wrote...

brett0560 wrote...

I think there are a few reasons some people like ME2 more than ME3:
1. They hate the ME3 ending.
2. They may like the ME2 companions more (legion, and thane anyone?).
3. They liked visiting and exploring more hub worlds, like omega, not just the citadel.
4. They probably liked the suicide run for ME2 end game, where your choices actually had a huge emotional impact (not saying this isn't also in ME3).
5. This may just be me, but ME2 seemed to have more content.

As for me, I like both equally, and since I haven't finished 3 yet (right at the end, don't want to beat it yet) I shouldn't judge.

I agree with that too and will add that ME3 felt like it ran out of time an money. There wasn't even time to fix the annoying character animation jumps when another character starts speaking. The final retake the Earth campaign felt underwhelming and not fully developed. And the ending CGI did triple duty with minor variations.

[SupR G]

Mass Effect 2 was worlds better then Mass Effect 3. Overall the game was a significant improvement gameplay wise over the first game, where 3 simply took the 2 and tweaked it a bit. Side quests were far more substantial and fun, the story was tremendously better on all levels and it was just a blast to play. Mass Effect 3 had a story that made less sense as the game developed, ultimately ending terribly, and had some bad bugs and really lame and uninteresting side quests. I've played ME2 a few times and would certainly play it again in the future. Can't say the same for ME3.

[xenu101]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

BKnight3 wrote...

metawanderer wrote...

I thought Mass Effect 3 did everything better than Mass Effect 2 with one exception. The last level. I thought that the Suicide Mission was much more climatic than the London level. I was a bit disappointed that you could not control your army like you would in the Suicide Mission where you assigned different roles for you squad and if you made a wrong choice, drastic consequences would happen. Other than the last level, I think Mass Effect 3 is the best in the series.

Agreed on battlefield decisions.

ME2 you gathered a team, helped/influenced teammates, constructed a plan, and reacted to combat challenges.

ME3 you get things and mindlessly throw them at the enemy like a kid crashing Matchbox cars.

I would imagine even though shepard gathered the fleets the reason he didn't actually command them is he may not have much history or practice with large scale battle tactics like hackett does.

That and as good as he is, he's actively needed on the front lines cuz...that's just the kinda soldier shepard is.  He stares reapers down and kicks tail.

Really? Shepard doesn't have an impact in large battles? What about the Battle of the Citadel in ME1? It was Shepard's decision whether the Alliance Navy saves the Destiny Ascension or lets it burn.

Come on, all three games you're making large and small decisions. Saving whole races, forging alliances, and you're going to say that Shepard is just some dumb grunt?

No, the final London mission sucks. It just completely sucks, nothing you've done makes a difference. Shepard is the one who united the races, he's the liaison between the armies and navies of the Krogans, Asari, Turians, Solarians, Quarians, and the Geth. He should be the one telling Wrex to send his Krogan over to help out the Turians save some Alliance space marines. He should be getting help from all of the war assets, like some orbital naval fire support to help clear out some rEAper troops. You don't see any of that. Nothing. It was the most boring mission ever. Nothing about it was epic.

And calling people on the hologram phone before the final mission was so CHEESY! I couldn't believe how tacky that was. Why not just see them in the actual battle? That would've been epic to see your different squadmates over 3 games fighting rEApers in cutscenes during the last battle. Or actually helping you out.

The only difference I saw in the last battle that involved your Military Readiness was whether Shuttle Pilot Steve gets shot down and lives or dies.

"STEEEEEEEVE!"
"I'm alright."
*Almost uninterested* "You sure?"

*slaps forehead*

Modifié par xenu101, 11 avril 2012 - 07:31 .